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they only sacraficed pow's

The movie was one of Gibson's best, IMO.


This was one movie that had me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

Good action, awesome storyline, enough running to make everyone in the theatre tired, blood &guts. Characters you could Identify with, characters you hated and loathed. all around a beautiful movie.

It's rated R for STRONG violence and other things the like.

"kids" will be exposed to whatever they feel like, it doesn't matter when, it's how they take it.

I watched Starship Troopers when It came out and I was considered a "kid". I did not feel like ripping people apart because violence on movies and tv made me feel that way.


@ Gen.Raven

You could barely call them POW's. There was no war. The Aztecs raped people from their home just so they could sacrifice them.

The Mayans had byfar a better system of government and way of aqcuiring new people.

@ ATG's secondary point. Yes the aztec's would continue to do what they did because it was power. The astrologers of the time worked for the hierarchy, which meant normal people wouldn't have known there was going to be a solar eclipse, but the monarchs and higher ups did. So they would blame a bad crop year and disease on not satisfying their gods, so they would sacrifice people to show what power they had.


This movie shows a completely different view point from what most people are accustomed to. Excellent and your 9 out of ten grapes is sufficient

Who were the Spanish to impose on their culture and way of life? Just because they didn't dig that shit doesn't give them moral superiority. What is acceptable is dictated by the prevalent culture/attitude and in South America at that time that was deemed acceptable. The Aztecs engaging in such practice did not legitimise Spanish barbarities.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-19 03:50:27)

First Point: I'm not ever going to take my kids to any of Gibson's movies. Not only are they overly bloody, I completely and utterly disagree with the messages he tries to send.

Second Point: Maybe, most likely not. All societies evolve, the Europeans who conquered them are know for The Inquisition and many, many, many bloody wars, including two World Wars quite recently.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

First Point: I'm not ever going to take my kids to any of Gibson's movies. Not only are they overly bloody, I completely and utterly disagree with the messages he tries to send.

Second Point: Maybe, most likely not. All societies evolve, the Europeans who conquered them are know for The Inquisition and many, many, many bloody wars, including two World Wars quite recently.

First Point: Mel Gibson was on Pocahontas and Chicken Run. I'd agree with dragging your kids away from the historical slop that is Pocahontas, but Chicken Run's somewhat decent. Bloody and violent movies are his specialty, though. Did you really expect something else out of Mad Max?

Second Point: the 'Native Americans' were so far behind the civilized world that it wasn't even funny. Someone would've conquered them.

First Point: I'm referring to the movies Gibson is making, not the ones he's been on.

Second Point: You don't know much about Native American's, do you? Mayan astrology was EONs ahead of Europe's, the had the position of planets laid down before Europeans finally found out that the Earth wasn't flat.

Incan stone construction is still unmatched. Noone has yet discoivered how they were able to build walls so perfect that are still staning today, whereas the spanish built walls after them have toppled.

Aztec social organization was more advanced than any other at the time, and included a form of welfare system. Can you imagine that thousands of years ago?

There is more to native americans than Apaches and Siouxs living in teepess hunting buffalos. These are only examples of how advanced the civilizations were. And I haven't even looked up wikipedia yet...

Taking little kids to a movie that violent is certainly piss poor parenting.

As for the secondary question, no, they probably wouldn't have sacrifices. Though, they were not very savage, and were rather well learned cultures with a great deal of sophistication.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

First point: What sort of messages do you think he's sending that you utterly disagree with in the movies he's making? It might give me more of a clue as to your outlook.

Second point: You don't know much about reality, do you? They were all far enough behind that they lost. Being able to manufacture paints that have lasted as long as some of the stuff in these regions has didn't save them from collapse. If they had only kept on these paths of advancement and industrialized, it may have been Europe that was conquered and been a pitiable topic of discussion on the internet.

Thank you, Your Obviousness. Good!

First point: Showing jesus being beaten to a pulp is probably not exactly how he wanted to be remembered by, but thats a more a philosofical/religious discussion that ain't gonna be debated here. I haven't seen Apocalipto yet, but from what I have read it dosen't go beyond carnage.

Second point: US could invade and beat the crap out of the Swiss, does that make the US more advanced? Advancement is mesured in many many many different areas, and these nations, yes NATIONS comprised of cities, roads, economies, aqueducts, social and cultural developments, had mathematical, agricultural, astrologican and engineering advancements that Europeans didn't. But don't take my word for it, read about Incan terrace agriculture, still used today, Mayan astrology, architecture, mathematics, etc...

They did end human sacrifice.

Last edited by ATG (2006-12-19 18:22:26)

EVieira wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

First point: What sort of messages do you think he's sending that you utterly disagree with in the movies he's making? It might give me more of a clue as to your outlook.

Second point: You don't know much about reality, do you? They were all far enough behind that they lost. Being able to manufacture paints that have lasted as long as some of the stuff in these regions have didn't save them from collapse. If they had only kept on these paths of advancement and industrialized, it may have been Europe that was conquered and been a pitiable topic of discussion on the internet.

First point: Showing jesus being beaten to a pulp is probably not exactly how he wanted to be remembered by, but thats a more a philosofical/religious discussion that ain't gonna be debated here. I haven't seen Apocalipto yet, but from what I have read it dosen't go beyond carnage.

Second point: US could invade and beat the crap out of the Swiss, does that make the US more advanced? Advancement is mesured in many many many different areas, and these nations, yes NATIONS comprised of cities, roads, economies, aqueducts, social and cultural developments, had mathematical, agricultural, astrologican and engineering advancements that Europeans didn't. But don't take my word for it, read about Incan terrace agriculture, still used today, Mayan astrology, architecture, mathematics, etc...

First point: Agreed. The torture of Jesus Christ is somewhat of an obsession in some religions. I enjoy watching movies about his life far more than Gibson's Amazing Dedicated Blood Circus. There were flashbacks, but the film was by far dominated by the violence. I haven't seen Apocalypto yet, either. I heard a panther eats a guy's face off. Something that cheesy is reserved for the DVD rack. I remember squirming through the historical inaccuracies of Braveheart also, despite the film's cheerful reception by Scottish patriots and many others who have a bone to pick with the British.

Second point: Yes, yes, that's all available in Wikipedia, the public library and my personal collection of books.

Reiteration: They were all far enough behind that they lost. Being able to manufacture paints that have lasted as long as some of the stuff in these regions have didn't save them from collapse. If they had only kept on these paths of advancement and industrialized, it may have been Europe that was conquered and been a pitiable topic of discussion on the internet.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-19 23:24:14)