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Poll

Should glitching/using SLSB to get to roof be considered exploiting?

Yes, if it's on taller buildings with no access points18%18% - 15
Yes, to all buildings7%7% - 6
No47%47% - 39
Don't care26%26% - 22
Total: 82
2006-12-17 21:24:15
Magius5.0
Member
+106|6840|UMass Amherst
I've read of maybe one other post that discussed this tactic, but my relevant question is this: should this tactic be labelled an exploit and fixed by DICE so that it is impossible to do?  My answer is yes, mainly considering that on Camp Gibraltar earlier tonight, the enemy team was being extremely gaybar and kept spawning in on the EU main camp rooftop (where you can't access on foot), despite our stubborn defense of it.  Aside from glitching up to the roof yourself through the same tactics, or an orbital strike to destroy the beacon and/or squad leader, it's extremely hard to take them all down.  It essentially gives them an indestructible mobile spawn if they're that far out of reach, and I'm not sure on the BFROE stance on this, thus far I have only heard that nothing is being done about it, yet.  I've seen this same tactic on Fall of Berlin, and Belgrade; the other maps don't seem as bad for this.


Discuss.
2006-12-17 23:02:42
StormEye
Sniper
+50|7104|Malibu
If the team is smart, and there are no dumb Sniper-Haters, snipers will take out the guys on the roof who are aiming down, and while that is going on, the commander should Orbital Strike the Spawn location.

Therefore, I do not consider this phenomenon as an exploit.
2006-12-17 23:08:41
xWSxCriminalx
Member
+40|6996
its not exploiting its part of the game mechanics. learn to deal with the 3rd dimension, you have a multitude of weapons @ your fingertips to still attack those guys. ie. rifle rockets + sniper + artillery
2006-12-17 23:12:38
AmbassadorofPain
Member
+34|7116|Devil's Perch

StormEye wrote:

Blahblahblah SNIPERZT3HWIN Blablablah
A squad consists of 6 people. If you have a whole squad camping the roof, it is nearly impossible to take them all out, not even with your 1337 5n1p3r 5k1||5. If they're not completely retarded they have at least one medic up there and even in the worst case, someone will be able to pick up that kit and revive others. If you keep enough people in the back to seriously snipe them all, you'll have lost all flags once you finally got them.

Your "tactic" might work against a small, barely organised group of 2, maybe 3 people. I doubt it works against 5 or 6 well organised players.
Proud member of a dead community.
2006-12-17 23:20:23
autopilot
banned
+115|6807

It has been a known glitch since the beta testing, and still not removed. Therefore it should be as legit as Squad-Hopping before 1.4 (or was it 1.3?) in BF2.
2006-12-17 23:32:10
Magius5.0
Member
+106|6840|UMass Amherst
Meh, I think I've decided I don't give a shit: I'll drone surf up there and knife every single one of them next opportunity I get, since they'll be busy spamming nades or laughing hysterically at the fact that *almost* no one can hit them.  And if DICE do fix this 'problem', all the better.  Considering my other options are to waste an artillery strike, or continue to be pwned from above, I choose to fight on their level and do whatever is necessary to take those bastards down from their high perch.
2006-12-17 23:36:41
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|7030|USA

Magius5.0 wrote:

Meh, I think I've decided I don't give a shit: I'll drone surf up there and knife every single one of them next opportunity I get, since they'll be busy spamming nades or laughing hysterically at the fact that *almost* no one can hit them.  And if DICE do fix this 'problem', all the better.  Considering my other options are to waste an artillery strike, or continue to be pwned from above, I choose to fight on their level and do whatever is necessary to take those bastards down from their high perch.
i beat you to it. knifed five guys in five seconds who tried that. 2 seconds after t hey got up there. c4 for the win! (ff=off)
2006-12-17 23:46:33
StormEye
Sniper
+50|7104|Malibu

AmbassadorofPain wrote:

Blah, I don't understand English so I am not going to bother reading the entire text which is no more than three lines. Blah
2006-12-17 23:48:10
Moonraker_x29
First man on Mars
+9|7148|England, GBR
Seriously not lying here, I've never once come across this. "Drone surfing" sounds fun.

Can one of you explain how it's done? - I know 'bout the "once your up there, spawn beacon down etc." - ut getting up there in the first place?
2006-12-18 00:27:04
AmbassadorofPain
Member
+34|7116|Devil's Perch

StormEye wrote:

I am t3h superskill0rz and 1337 5n1p3r and therefore don't think anyone else can beat my expertise and experience in this game and its tactics. So, for a lack of arguments, I've decided to flame some non-native speaker's language skills.
I'll repeat myself once, hoping you understand this time. Your suggestion might work, but is more likely not to work. 6 people camping ANY roof in this game is a tough challenge. A squad that knows what VOIP and squadchat are implemented for, is likely to re-organise if they're being hit and squadleader and -beacon were wiped out.
I've been on roofs in Fall of Berlin and Camp Gibraltar (not even only EU base) and my squads have barely ever been effectively beaten down from there, sometimes not even with only 4 people in the squad.

Especially the roofs around EU base on Camp Gibraltar are nearly impossible to clear. The area is too wide to be effectively hit with an orbital strike and people can still take cover on the roof so they won't be hit by gunfire from below.

Now, keep twisting and turning, I'm not gonna waste anymore time on you. I'll admit anytime that your suggestion might work. From my experience, however, it is far from a failsafe solution.
Proud member of a dead community.
2006-12-18 00:33:49
AmbassadorofPain
Member
+34|7116|Devil's Perch

Moonraker_x29 wrote:

Seriously not lying here, I've never once come across this. "Drone surfing" sounds fun.

Can one of you explain how it's done? - I know 'bout the "once your up there, spawn beacon down etc." - ut getting up there in the first place?
Basically, there's more than one possible approach.

1.) You need the UAV-drone unlock for squadleaders. Be support, spawn as squadleader, deploy the drone, then throw an EMP-mine (or have one of your squadfolks throw one). The drone will fall to the floor, so you can hop onto it. Once it gets back to live, it'll keep climbing higher and higher, trying to get its position right behind and above you.

2.) Spawn on a well-placed spawn beacon and try controlling the direction of your pod's turning on the way down by pressing "A" (counter clockwise rotation) or "D" (clockwise rotation). One of the two will just let you drop a little away from the "normal" position, the other one will drop you on the roof. It depends on where the beacon is placed and on which building you want to get which one of the two keys gets you up there.
Proud member of a dead community.
2006-12-18 00:42:50
gene_pool
Banned
+519|7080|Gold coast, Aus.
No. Its not. because its possible to kill them.


Sure they have an advantage but they aren't invincible. I mean, look at the krylov. It overpowers everything and you get an advantage. Is that an exploit?
2006-12-18 02:25:20
StormEye
Sniper
+50|7104|Malibu

AmbassadorofPain wrote:

StormEye wrote:

I am t3h superskill0rz and 1337 5n1p3r and therefore don't think anyone else can beat my expertise and experience in this game and its tactics. So, for a lack of arguments, I've decided to flame some non-native speaker's language skills.
I'll repeat myself once, hoping you understand this time. Your suggestion might work, but is more likely not to work. 6 people camping ANY roof in this game is a tough challenge. A squad that knows what VOIP and squadchat are implemented for, is likely to re-organise if they're being hit and squadleader and -beacon were wiped out.
I've been on roofs in Fall of Berlin and Camp Gibraltar (not even only EU base) and my squads have barely ever been effectively beaten down from there, sometimes not even with only 4 people in the squad.

Especially the roofs around EU base on Camp Gibraltar are nearly impossible to clear. The area is too wide to be effectively hit with an orbital strike and people can still take cover on the roof so they won't be hit by gunfire from below.

Now, keep twisting and turning, I'm not gonna waste anymore time on you. I'll admit anytime that your suggestion might work. From my experience, however, it is far from a failsafe solution.
I see, you are non-native English Speaker who CHANGES someone's post which differs VERY much from what it says originally.

I wonder if it is you who is twisting and turning in the first place.
2006-12-18 05:13:07
Entertayner
Member
+826|7029

My god!! People will soon be calling shooting an exploit, I mean wtf... It's a built in game mechanic, i'm almost definately sure that DICE saw that people would be able to do that even with their pea sized brains.
2006-12-18 05:13:24
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7008|UK

Magius5.0 wrote:

the enemy team was being extremely gaybar
Once again, someone destroy's there own credability in the initial post, what exactly is homosexual about going on the roof?

It isnt exploitation, it's luck more than anything to get on top of the building in the first place, and once they are there, it's not as if they cant be artied the shit out of by your commander!

Martyn
2006-12-18 05:17:11
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7302|Reykjavík, Iceland.
No, it's an extremely fun feature, anyways, a good sniper can kill you on the roof, or you can just get up yourself to take them out.

So fun on Berlin to drop behind the enemies spawn point and knife the whole lots.
2006-12-18 05:27:59
Moonraker_x29
First man on Mars
+9|7148|England, GBR

Bell wrote:

Magius5.0 wrote:

the enemy team was being extremely gaybar
Once again, someone destroy's there own credability in the initial post, what exactly is homosexual about going on the roof?Martyn
Very well said. +1 Karma.

It's a good read and I've actually learnt something too as I had no clue what it was!

But it's stupid how many people say that in this day and age. It's a prejudice regardless, like racism is wrong, saying "you're gay" is just as bad.

You don't go round saying "Yeah the MEC team was spamming us, fucking paki's". So why should you say anything about gays. "The enemy team were being shits" would have been 100 times more funnier too if that's the edge you was going for.
2006-12-18 05:56:11
PhaxeNor
:D
+119|6874|Norway | Unkown
According to BFROE its an exploit.. But how many here listen to them anyway..
2006-12-18 06:03:12
Zefar
Member
+116|7108|Sweden
BFROE can go screw themself with that exploit as it's easy to beat them.

Get medic and use the rocket thingy. It's easy points for you to.
Or ask for Arty on the whole place. They'll most likely die by it to.

It shouldn't really be called exploit but as an tactic. I have been up on the roof now and then in some maps like Belgrade. But after a while a sniper hit our heads as soon as we went to the edge of the house. Because we all died in one hit no matter what.
2006-12-18 07:25:03
D34TH_D34L3R
Member
+48|7275|Belgium
Shit, who cares if there are some idiots on a rooftop shooting trying to shoot people?
Most of the time it's useless anyway, I mean; in Karkand, it was just irritating because the roof did gave the people who were on it a real advantage. But in Berlin for example, it really doesn't. The most they could do is throw nades. Or maybe a really descent sniper could be irritating.
But hell, if it bothers you, just shoot them, and if else; don't walk under that building..

I voted "Don't care" because the people who do it most of the time don't have a real advantage over others.
2006-12-18 08:32:32
Rubix-Cubes
Member
+123|7114|UK

SAF.Phaxe wrote:

According to BFROE its an exploit.. But how many here listen to them anyway..
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?
2006-12-18 14:29:19
Zefar
Member
+116|7108|Sweden

D34TH_D34L3R wrote:

Shit, who cares if there are some idiots on a rooftop shooting trying to shoot people?
Most of the time it's useless anyway, I mean; in Karkand, it was just irritating because the roof did gave the people who were on it a real advantage. But in Berlin for example, it really doesn't. The most they could do is throw nades. Or maybe a really descent sniper could be irritating.
But hell, if it bothers you, just shoot them, and if else; don't walk under that building..

I voted "Don't care" because the people who do it most of the time don't have a real advantage over others.
Try to use the Support gun and you'll see that you will start to hit A LOT.
Medic rocket thingy is great to as you can easily adjust it.
Throwing grenades is a bit useless as they explode before they hit the ground. RDX Demo pack might be better or spamming APM mines.
Throwing out Loller mines could also be good.
Sniper works ok but you need to be quick.

 

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