Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6870|The Land of Scott Walker
I had an idea for a thread after posting here in many threads about religion, God, and morality. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and misconceptions about Christians, so I thought I’d introduce myself.  I hope to give each of you a little glimpse of an average guy like me who does his best to follow the teachings of Jesus.  Some of the following might be shocking and may or may not change your opinion of at least one Christian - me.  Feel free to post questions you’ve always wanted to ask or just PM me if you’d like to discuss things outside of the thread.  I’m by no means a theologian or a minister, but I’ll do my best from what I know in my limited study.  Am I nuts for being this honest in a public forum and opening myself to questions?  We’ll see.  Ok, here we go.  I’ll try not to put in too much detail for the sake of time and not boring you all to death.

First of all, I'll give you some background.  I was born into a Christian family, both my Mom and Dad’s side have quite a few believers on each side.  Needless to say, I was in church before I was born (my Mom played the piano for church when she was pregnant with me ).  My parents took me to church every Sunday where I attended Sunday School and kids church.  At the age of six, I accepted Jesus as my Savior.  I attended two different small Christian schools K-12.  It wasn’t until I was baptized at age 14 that I really started to study and explore my faith.  At age 15 I got my first job and had my faith challenged by my co-workers.  That experience forced me to go through the thought process of whether my faith was really mine or just what my parents taught me.  Almost daily I was quizzed by my co-workers who fired many questions at me about just about every facet of life.  I did good on some and failed miserably on others.  Those experiences prompted me to dig deeper and study my faith and the reasons why I believed in Jesus and Christianity.  I studied other religions along with my own to broaden my perspective.  My parents were probably scared to death I would choose another faith, but my studies served to confirm my faith, not weaken it. 

From age 16 to 19 I chose to go on a rebellious streak.  Lying to my parents about various things and dating a girl that I knew they'd hate just to prove I could do what I wanted.  That was soooo cruel to that girl, ended up breaking up with her and hooked up with a hot girl I'd been chasing for awhile.  I honestly did love her after awhile and we messed around in just about every way possible.  Sure I didn’t have sex with her, but I did things I should have saved for my wife. Never drank or smoked pot and didn’t do every girl in sight, but I did not live my faith as I should have during that time.  After I graduated and got my first full-time job reality set in – my girlfriend cheated on me and then broke up with me.  The breakup shattered my world at that time, since I had made my girlfriend my whole world.  Refocusing my priorities back on my faith and my future, I decided to forget the girl, attend college and get my generals completed while I decided what to do for a career.  Half way through college I met my wife, we dated for a year, were engaged for a year and we’ve now been married for 4 years and have 2 kids.  So that’s the summary of life up until now!   Sorry if it was not extremely exciting, but I think it give perspective on how I got to today. 

Next I’ll address the Christians (or those who call themselves such) that from your posts, many of you have apparently encountered. “Some of the most arrogant, sanctimonious, self-righteous, evil, vile things to ever be considered a human being . . .” according to one post.  Ouch.  Yes, even those Christians who think they are the best (darned self-righteous pricks) can jump back into their human nature in the blink of an eye and become an asshole.  Through my experience with people who called themselves Christians I have found that to be true more times than I like to remember.  I had a tendency to look at myself as better than others until I was on the receiving end of judgmental self-righteous tirades.  Fortunately, God pointed out to me that, at times, I was the same way as those mean people I had started to hate.  “What?  That can’t be right, God! THEY’re the jerks!”   After that realization about myself, I jettisoned my  self-righteousness with God’s help.  I was horrified when it dawned on me someone may reject Christianity because of rudeness and snobbery on MY part.  It was the proverbial “don’t point at other people, there’s 4 fingers pointing back at you” lesson.  From then on I made it my mission to show true Christianity to everyone I meet.  Have I succeeded?  Many times I could have done better.  I personally have said just about every curse word you can come up with (repeatedly at times), flipped people off in traffic, and cursed in BF2 chat just to name a few.  Talk about embarrassing.  I just get done giving someone the finger while driving and God puts the thought in my mind, “Um, aren’t you trying to be a good Christian?  Yeah, we need to work on that finger thing.”   I admit it, I can be a jerk when I don’t keep my nature in check.  Probably even in here, though I hope I’ve apologized if that’s the case.  All right, that’s enough soul bearing for one day.

I enjoy spending time with my wife and kids, music (rock and metal are my favorites, but I like some jazz and a very little bit of classical), reading various fiction and non-fiction books, video games, a good drink on the weekend, and of course discussing issues of our day online.  Discuss away, just don’t flame me too hard for the length of this post, I tried to keep it short!    

Disclaimer: If I've bored you to death and everyone refuses to reply as punishment, enjoy gaming and have a Merry Christmas. If anyone does choose to ask deep theological questions (here or by PM) after reading this, I question your sanity. Seriously, though, I will do my best.  I don't guarantee the best answer you've ever heard, but it will be honest.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Okay.
Do you believe that if you had never been exposed to Jesus, would that mean you automatically go to hell.

Does the goat herder in Sri Lanka who is Hindu have to suffer eternal damnation just because he has a different god?

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
chittydog
less busy
+586|7260|Kubra, Damn it!

ATG wrote:

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
QFE
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Okay.
Do you believe that if you had never been exposed to Jesus, would that mean you automatically go to hell.

Does the goat herder in Sri Lanka who is Hindu have to suffer eternal damnation just because he has a different god?

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
I totally agree.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina
To be fair, I appreciate the honesty and the intention of your thread here, Stingray.

I get the impression that you try to practice what you preach.

As we've discussed before, I think we're on the same page on many issues with regards to personal morality.

It's just that the one thing that bothers me about the Religious Right is that they often support laws that affect all of us (believer and non-believer) in the pursuit of what they see as morality.  I'd be a lot more comfortable around this group if they'd spend less time telling me what to do and focused on their own morality.

You seem to be less judgmental of others than many religious people I've met, which is good.  I'm hoping this cognitive and respectful form of faith is more common than I assume.  I've seen it in other people, but I just hate how religion and politics in combination can twist some people into the legislative equivalent of "fire and damnation" types.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6870|The Land of Scott Walker
I will note these questions and post responses as soon as possible.  Probably after work tomorrow.  Time for bed now, gotta work in the morning.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7005|the dank(super) side of Oregon
I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

Reciprocity wrote:

I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
*sighs*  Look, I'm pro-choice myself, but could you please find a more sensible way of questioning his stance on it?...
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6870|The Land of Scott Walker

Reciprocity wrote:

I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
No, I've thoroughly addressed my stance on abortion in several other threads.
13rin
Member
+977|6904

ATG wrote:

Okay.
Do you believe that if you had never been exposed to Jesus, would that mean you automatically go to hell.

Does the goat herder in Sri Lanka who is Hindu have to suffer eternal damnation just because he has a different god?

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
Yes.

No.  Many rooms in the house of god.

Nope.  And how do you mean?  Maybe you are addressing your question to the wrong faith..
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin
Member
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Reciprocity wrote:

I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
Weak man.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
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Squiggles
+102|6792|Cali
ok.
BwC-Grizzly
Member
+8|6869
I really enjoyed reading your post.  It made alot of sense to me because it reminds me alot of my life.  I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior when I was 12 years old but lived most of my life for myself.  I met my wife five years ago and she inspired me to think about how I was living my life.  She was right, I realized that it was time to seek God's will and live my life according to that will.

I too have worked with many people of different faiths and have been challenged on a constant basis.  I don't like to force religion on anyone but I do find myself praying that certain people that I meet will come to know Jesus Christ. 

I don't like to judge people based on their actions because I know that I am capable of doing things that God would not approve of.  I am a sinner by nature as well as everyone else in this world but I choose to ask for forgiveness and try to live my life as Jesus would want me to.  Do I fail at this? Yes!  I am human? Yes!  I pray that God will make me the kind of person that makes wise decisions and by submitting my life to Him, He will provide me with wisdom that will allow me to live as He would want me to. 

I am often frustrated with people when they refer to spiritual faith as RELIGION.  People always say "Oh your religious" or "I'm not into religion".  Religion to me, is just a word that separates groups of people.  Faith is what I am talking about.  Spiritual Faith!

I didn't mean to ramble but thought I would tell you a bit about myself.  Enjoyed your post Stingray.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6994|Portland, OR, USA

DBBrinson1 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Okay.
Do you believe that if you had never been exposed to Jesus, would that mean you automatically go to hell.

Does the goat herder in Sri Lanka who is Hindu have to suffer eternal damnation just because he has a different god?

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
Yes.

No.  Many rooms in the house of god.

Nope.  And how do you mean?  Maybe you are addressing your question to the wrong faith..
If God is arrogant enough to send anyone and everyone to hell because they have half a brain to not believe that the Red Sea was parted or have faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ then honestly, thats bullshit.. not faith or religion..
13rin
Member
+977|6904

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
*sighs*  Look, I'm pro-choice myself, but could you please find a more sensible way of questioning his stance on it?...
Good thing your mom wasn't.

Look.  A woman loses choice over her body when there is another one developing inside it..  That is it.  End of debate.  There is nothing else.  Any man that says he is pro choice is a weak little man-wanna-be.  You put your cock into something and are oblivious or unprepared for the after effects...  You ain't a man.   You are a weak little bitch who can't deal..  Grow up.  You don't want the responsibilities of a man?  Then don't play his games.  Go jerk it in the shower.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13rin
Member
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CommieChipmunk wrote:

If God is arrogant enough to send anyone and everyone to hell because they have half a brain to not believe that the Red Sea was parted or have faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ then honestly, thats bullshit.. not faith or religion..
That is why it is called faith. Something you obviously lack.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7083|BC, Canada

ATG wrote:

Okay.
Do you believe that if you had never been exposed to Jesus, would that mean you automatically go to hell.

Does the goat herder in Sri Lanka who is Hindu have to suffer eternal damnation just because he has a different god?

Wouldn't the world be a better safer place if we could all just stop with the afterlife speculation and focused in on the world we know we have?
very good atg.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6994|Portland, OR, USA

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

If God is arrogant enough to send anyone and everyone to hell because they have half a brain to not believe that the Red Sea was parted or have faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ then honestly, thats bullshit.. not faith or religion..
That is why it is called faith. Something you obviously lack.
Yeah I was a "believer" right up until about 3 months ago, i've never really thought of it before (i'm only 16 so i've kinda blindly followed).... and I sat down, thought about it for a while, got kinda pissed and realized how ridiculous the whole thing is.. If i'm wrong and i end up in hell, so be it
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6870|The Land of Scott Walker

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

If God is arrogant enough to send anyone and everyone to hell because they have half a brain to not believe that the Red Sea was parted or have faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ then honestly, thats bullshit.. not faith or religion..
That is why it is called faith. Something you obviously lack.
Please try to keep things civil.  Otherwise productive discussion here will be rather difficult.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7005|the dank(super) side of Oregon
I'm affraid, stingray, you are not the average Christian.  Dipshits like DBBrinson are.  This loudmouthed, holier than thou, fascist, yet entirely ignorant attitude is what comes with most christians.  I try to ignore them as most turn out to be like Mark Foley and Ted Haggard.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2006-12-17 21:54:08)

13rin
Member
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CommieChipmunk wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

If God is arrogant enough to send anyone and everyone to hell because they have half a brain to not believe that the Red Sea was parted or have faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ then honestly, thats bullshit.. not faith or religion..
That is why it is called faith. Something you obviously lack.
Yeah I was a "believer" right up until about 3 months ago, i've never really thought of it before (i'm only 16 so i've kinda blindly followed).... and I sat down, thought about it for a while, got kinda pissed and realized how ridiculous the whole thing is.. If i'm wrong and i end up in hell, so be it
Well good for you. 

I hope for your sake you are right.  But what would it cost you to be wrong (god does exist)?  Hell. 
What does it cost you if you believe in him, go to church and it turns out he doesn't exist?  nothing..

See what I'm getting at?  I was once where you were.  I stayed pissed for about 6 years.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7083|BC, Canada
question i have always wondered:
god is all knowing and omnipotent, so why would he give a damn and punish people for not believing in him. I mean if you were the greatest and most powerful thing to ever happen, would you behave like an insucure little child who has to threaten people into having faith in them.
sounds more like something a greedy church would be doing...
i believe that there is something out there that created us, intentionaly or unintentionaly. but whatever it is i dont believe that it is the vengful bully that the church would have us believe....
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

Reciprocity wrote:

I didn't bother to read any of your manifesto, but did you whine about abortion?
Edit -> find -> abortion

It isn't that hard, buddy, and you're the first name it brought up. Much of what is church dogma nowadays I find to be suspiciously in favor of organized faith. 'Worship God our way or you're going to Hell' is the ultimate conversion ultimatum.

For the sake of argument, if there is a god and He passed his word to us, then it has since been distorted beyond all belief by human selfishness, arrogance and bigotry. Take what's important and useful out of religion and put it into practice: be a good person and serve humanity.

As to the spirit of your post, Recip, do you whine about execution?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-17 22:01:28)

BwC-Grizzly
Member
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It seems hard to post on these forums at times because people are so pissed off at the world.  I have yet to see a thread stay civil on these forums.  Wishful thinking!
13rin
Member
+977|6904

Reciprocity wrote:

I'm afraid, stingray, you are not the average Christian.  Dip shits like Bronson are.  This loudmouthed, holier than thou, fascist, yet entirely ignorant attitude is what comes with most Christians.  I try to ignore them as most turn out to be like Mark Foley and Ted Haggard.
First.  You don't know me.  You are probably a 14 year old that thinks you know it all. 
Yea, you ignored me... You didn't do anting to rebuke my post.  You just called me a name... Wow. I see your logic.   I'm not holier than thou, or a fascist.  I am not trying to impose anything on you.  I gave my opinion.  Which you obviously lack the capacity to accept that there others that differ from yours.  Typical from those that kill babies because it is inconvenient for you to step up and accept the consequences of your actions. 

However, now I do see myself as a better human than you.  You are intolerant.  You are weak.  You cannot accept the consequences of YOUR OWN ACTIONS.  Too bad your mom didn't share the same beliefs as you.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

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