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I'm not going to give a source of where I obtained this list, but basically it's from a very trustworthy place.  There isn't anything to back up what I'm saying, and I don't really understand what any of it means myself, but I'm just going to paste the whole thing into this post and make it take up as much as a normal page of dialog.  This will incontrovertably prove that I'm right, and that everyone else is just a sheep. 


From the files of J Edgar Hoover:
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We have been monitring the felon Steven Kimbol Ames
for a numbr of years.  We are almost ready to breek
the case, but we are sending out the mass unsoliciited
email in the hopes that we might get some actual evidence
to use ageenst him.  We have a list of discveries he has
made about the US government and we need help tracking
down the sources of te lieaks and bringing him to account
for distributing this information on teh interwebs.  here is the list
of true facts he has brout to lite:

1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an
Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS
et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-
564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization
Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law
Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)
3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat.
Ch.214 pg. 654)
4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential
Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-
288)
5. The United States does not have any employees
because there is no longer a United States. No more
reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under
bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do
not personate one of the creditors or share holders or
you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other
alphabet gangs were never part of the United States
government. Even though the "US Government" held
shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang
, 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN
through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security
Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the
Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security
Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or
what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that
they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get
a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSAL996
to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111,
subpart B 42 2.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)
8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has
not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and
Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and
Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US
428, 1 Stat. 138-178)
9. There have not been any Judges in America since
1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE
281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)
10. According to the GATT you must have a Social
Security number. House Report (103-826)
11. We have One World Government, One World Law
and a One World Monetary System. (Get the Disks)
12. The UN is a One World Super Government. (Get
the Disks)
13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet
is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World
Government. It is just that now it is much better
organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the
United Nations. (Get the Disks)
14. New York City is defined in the Federal
Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani
stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital
of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111,
subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is
there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619,
Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)
16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the
IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you
receive one. It should have written on the top left
United States Treasury.)
17. You own no property, slaves can't own property.
Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours.
You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd
Congress 1st Session)
18. The most powerful court in America is not the
United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of
Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)
19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23
and 24)
20. The King of England financially backed both sides
of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16,
1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)
21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself
because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co.
v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah
14 Georgia 438, 520)
22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED
STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND
MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE
REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH
TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica
v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116,
The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New
Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS
Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20,
1774.)
23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)
24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States.
(Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS
Publication 6209)
26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through
the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of
1455 and 1493)
27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement
of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)
28. The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened.
XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati,
1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)
29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even
what we think are our children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108
So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate
Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session,
Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)
30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the
States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of
the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary
for definition of Estate.)
31. " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron
v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
32. The United States Government was not founded
upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their
job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code
breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v.
City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C.
Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.
34. Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads,
bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I
wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the
time to check? (Executive Order 12803)
35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)
36. The UN has financed the operations of the United
States government for over 50 years and now owns
every man, women and child in America. The UN also
holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. (Get the
Disks for the Essay and Documents.)
37. The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our"
fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious
obligation with another's fictitious obligation. (Get the
Disks)
38. The depression and World War II were a total farce.
The United States and various other companies were
making loans to others all over the World during the
Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in
the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the
United States. That way those who call themselves
"Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Furor."etc could sit
back and play a game of chess using real people. Think
of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their
lives thinking they were defending their Countries
which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people
who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland
is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the
"Bank of International Settlements"is located.Wars are
manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to
have an enemy to keep the illusion of "Government" in
place. (Get the Disks and see the Documents for
yourself.)
39. The "United States" did not declare Independence
from Great Britian or King George. (Get the Disks for
Documents and Essay.)
40. Guess who owns the UN?

(hope you guys appreciate the lengths I went to to get those linebreaks every couple of words... had to set the margins really thin, export to pdf and paste from there....)

Somebody who gives a damn wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

According to BSAF-9 (1953) Article 10 Section 15 (DCSE et al 1957) as well as Smith vs. State of Canadia (Apr. 23, 1972), UON has an unlisted Franco-Russian Social Security number. This has been backed up by the AMRC.

Anyone get the feeling that rocksrhot is just copying/pasting these massive blobs of text without even reading them?

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Anyone get the feeling that rocksrhot is just copying/pasting these massive blobs of text without even reading them?

Nah, he's probably retyping each word of them without paying attention to what they say.

Copying and pasting seems too sensible.

rocksrhot wrote:

My motive is to ask the questions raised in the articles?

Could it be true that the US was not truly made independent?
Do US Citizens still pay a tax to the British crown, & if so how & where is it hidden?
How come no US citizen was allowed a noble title, yet those who treatied independence were of the noble title, (Esquire)? Were they actually working for the British?

First the USA is the United States of America.  The Article of Confederation that you keep referencing does not have any power in the US now.  It was considered to be a very weak federal government, and that is why the Consitution was written.  This is also the real reason why the Civil War was fought.  The Southern states wanted to be loosely connected, and each state having power to print their own money, and make their own laws, etc.  (You thought it was all about slavery didn't you?  Slavery became in issue toward the end of the war.)

Wikipedia's United States article wrote:

Tensions between American colonials and the British during the revolutionary period of the 1760s and 1770s led to open military conflict in 1775. George Washington commanded the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) as the Second Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. The Congress had been formed to confront British actions and created the Continental Army, but it did not have the authority to levy taxes or make federal laws. In 1777, the Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation, uniting the states under a weak federal government, which operated from 1781 until 1788. Dissatisfaction with the strength of the national government led to a constitutional convention in 1787. By June of 1788, enough states had ratified the United States Constitution to establish the new government, which took office in 1789. The Constitution, which strengthened the union and the federal government, has since remained the supreme law of the land.[14]

If we look at the current tax rates in Britian and the US, you see that Britian's is higher.  This seems to make a flaw in your theory.  The US tax should be higher since they have to pay taxes to the Crown and to our governement.

Name a US Citizen that was give a noble title.

rocksrhot wrote:

The U.S. flies the United States flag with a yellow
fringe on three sides.  According to the United States Code, Title
4, Sec. 1, the U.S. flag does not have a fringe on it. Because the military flag which does have a gold fringe mean US Citizens are in a military occupation and are governed by the Commander-in-Chief in his
executive capacity, not under any Constitutional authority.
Military Occupation.

Why do the courts of law in the US fly flags with the military gold fringe?

Also, I have never seen the US fly a flag with a yellow fringe on three sides?  Here are all the flags that we have flown as national flags in the US.



As I have said to other people, give the community sources to your "facts".  So far you have not do anything.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Anyone get the feeling that rocksrhot is just copying/pasting these massive blobs of text without even reading them?

Yes when he started quoting the Virginia charter.

Dizik wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

Dizik wrote:

Have you? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Actually yes I have, from what I can get to read, so no I wont $hut the fuck up. Your simply another fucked up gullible yank who doesn't give a toss about much bar your opinion, which is your right, It just tarnishes the perceived mentality of outsiders to Americans. Another abusive rant without substance.

So, if this big conspiracy is true, then you've actually read these documents in person? Meaning, you held them in your hands or read them while under glass at a museum? No? Once again, just shut the fuck up. Copying and pasting from the internet does not make a valid argument.

I understand that teenage kids love to think that they're smarter than what they actually are, and are all about conpsiracy theories. I guess the major defeat of Cornwallis was just a ruse to set this big conspiracy in motion.The sooner you realize this isn't true, and that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, the better.

And what is with people from outside the United States using the term "yank" as an insult? Is that really supposed to hurt our feelings? It's like calling us "stupid-head".

First up

My motive is to ask the questions raised in the articles? Yes there was copy & paste, I never said different.
Secondly, you can view original articles on line.
Thirdly, people can all swallow what our education systems throws at them without questioning its authority and truth. Fine and most of you sound like that.
Fourthly, Courtroom flag is either stating martial law or admiral law, it does have a gold fringe unlike national flags. The flag is federal military jurisdiction.
http://www.flagsexpress.com/indoor_para … g_set2.htm

Title 4 U.S.C. 3 provides that anything put on the title 4 U.S.C., 1, 2 American Flag such as gold fringe MUTILATES the Flag and carries a one-year prison term. This is confirmed by the authority of title 36 U.S.C. 176 (g). The gold fringe is a fourth color and represents "color of law" jurisdiction and when placed on the title 4 U.S.C. 1, 2 Flag, mutilates the Flag and suspends the Constitution and establishes "color of law" jurisdiction (Refer to title 18 U.S.C. 242, see Black's Law Dictionary). So why are courts of law waving the gold fringed flag?


Could it be that a Court is not under military jurisdiction because of the yellow fringed flag, but the yellow fringed flag is there because the Court is under military jurisdiction?

Just a question here though, Why are are Supreme Judges appointed & not elected?

Kick me around for asking questions all you want, Perhaps there will be a few who can see some interesting issues raised.

Last edited by rocksrhot (2006-12-19 05:49:51)

I'd imagine that the Supreme Court Justices are appointed, and not elected, for the same reasons that the President's cabinet officials are appointed, and not elected.  That was the President has slight control over which way the Supreme Court is balanced.

rocksrhot wrote:

Title 4 U.S.C. 3 provides that anything put on the title 4 U.S.C., 1, 2 American Flag such as gold fringe MUTILATES the Flag and carries a one-year prison term.

Let me just stop you there.

Maybe I'm missing something, but when I look the United States Code that "provides" that 1 year sentence, I get:

Title 4
http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/title4.html
wrote:

    * TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

    * CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG
    * CHAPTER 2--THE SEAL
    * CHAPTER 3--SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT
    * CHAPTER 4--THE STATES
    * CHAPTER 5--OFFICIAL TERRITORIAL PAPERS

Chapter 3
http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/chapter3_.html
wrote:

          o CHAPTER 3--SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT

    * Sec.  71. Permanent seat of Government.
    * Sec.  72. Public offices; at seat of Government.
    * Sec.  73. Same; removal from seat of Government.

Section 71
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin … te:+4USC71
wrote:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
  January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 4USC71]


       TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

                    CHAPTER 3--SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT

Sec. 71. Permanent seat of Government

    All that part of the territory of the United States included within
the present limits of the District of Columbia shall be the permanent
seat of government of the United States.

(July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643.)

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin … te:+4USC72
Section 72
wrote:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
  January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 4USC72]


       TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

                    CHAPTER 3--SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT

Sec. 72. Public offices; at seat of Government

    All offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in
the District of Columbia, and not elsewhere, except as otherwise
expressly provided by law.

(July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643.)

Section 73
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin … te:+4USC73
wrote:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
  January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 4USC73]


       TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

                    CHAPTER 3--SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT

Sec. 73. Same; removal from seat of Government

    In case of the prevalence of a contagious or epidemic disease at the
seat of government, the President may permit and direct the removal of
any or all the public offices to such other place or places as he shall
deem most safe and convenient for conducting the public business.

(July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643.)

Now, what version are you reading, and can we have a link?

edit:  I finally decoded your poorly referenced nonsense, you could save alot of time by including a proper citation code which comes up in search engines like 4USC3. 

I'll leave the above excerpts as examples of good practice when copying and pasting.  Follow that basic template (just hit quote to see the BB code and line spacing I've used), and you'll be properly referencing your sources in no time.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin … ite:+4USC3

Since the gold trim is outside the flag, and doesn't affect the inside, I don't see how it's covered.  There are companies who will put gold trim on any flag for you and sell it.  They would be violating a multitude of international laws if that counted as mutilation.  http://www.flags-online.co.uk/item.aspx … ;catid=108

And it also says $100 fine and/or 30 days in prison, not a year.

Sounds more like "pimp my flag" than military conspiracy to me.


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edit:
Here's a nice explanation:  http://www.usflag.org/colors.html

Turns out the main reason you only see it on courtroom and other indoor flags becaaaaaaaaaause.... the gold colour/shine goes shit in the sun/wind/rain.

rocksrhot wrote:

Kick me around for asking questions all you want, Perhaps there will be a few who can see some interesting issues raised.

I've noticed alot more "issues" since you've shown up.

Last edited by UON (2006-12-19 14:37:28)