BF2S Forums How responsible is the US for winning WWII?

The fact is without the US entering the war things would have been alot different. You Europeans are going to have to live with that, because even if russia were able to defeat hitler by itself you all would be comunists now. Or does anyone here thinks that Stalin would have stopped in berlin, seeing the rest of Europe for the taking?

Thats it, get over it. US saved Europe's ass, and it dosen't matter if it waited for the last minute or not. Its history now.

Something else to point out is that we the U.S. might have entered the war late but we were letting our pilots join the British Air Force (don't know exact name of military branch).  I also just saw a special on the History Channel that said we enlisted our soldiers in the Chinese Air Force to fight against the Japs.  Im pretty sure these men fought under the Chinese Flag for about 2 years before the U.S. let the contract run out since they were planning on being at war with the Japanese anyway very soon.

On a side note: Canada took a beach head all by theirselves on D-Day.  It may not be considered one of the tougher beaches to take but they did their part also.

Ty- Japan, from what I understand was fighting with the Russians on the Japanese Northern front and China on their Eastern Front and the U.S. all over the Pacific.  I don't know what the British did against the Japanese but I will take KillerClown_UK's word that the British were there too.  It's been so long since I saw "Bridge Over River Kwai" that I forgot it was about the British.

P.S.  To all the People that are hateing the U.S. even more after reading CyrusTheVirus's comments.  He is from Ireland and in no way believes what he is saying.  Some people are just see one Post and have to flame away.  Thanks CameronPoe for keeping that Anti-American spirit strong.  Posts like yours (Cyrus's) is why we see so many Bash America threads.  Hell Posts like Cyrus's is why this thread was started.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_p … rld_War_II

OK here some links please read. (although I just learned that 10 US volunteers did fly with the RAF).
There's aloud more to prove that the war was won with the USs help, they did not win the war alone. Find any historian who can prove me wrong and post his name and corresponding articles here.

what's 43.72%?
I would love a pay rise that big

with ouf us (America) Europe WOULD have been overrun by germany. Most Europeans tend to forget the fact that Britan was on the verge of collapse and was being starved to death. Russia would have been easily overrun by germany because the wastern theater of the war would not have existed. If we (americans) did not enter the war the europeans would have had:
no food
no vehicles
no men
no morale
Sad to say it but we were the deciding factor in the war. If it were not for us you would have not been able to fight. Im not saying that we did everything. Thats not true at all, Im just saying that if we did not enter the war then Europe, Asia and Australia would have been overrun.

Europe overrun my arse. Man you lot need history lessons. Russia would've eventually overrun the Axis powers. Maybe later than when it actually happened, but it would have happened. (and yes I agree they probably would not have stopped at Berlin).
Just look at the resources that the Russians were able to call upon.
Please research before posting.
AND I REPEAT NOT ONE SINGLE NATION WON THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

commissargizz wrote:

^^^^^ What a load of rubbish. Where on earth did you get that from. Britain stuck it out won the battle of Britain. So that means Germany couldn't have invaded,(Operation Sea lion was canceled)  we were still there, true we wouldn't of had the man power to invade and liberate Europe, but we were not beaten.
We were losing the Atlantic war, that's true, but with the lend - lease program (we also gave concessions to open the Empire, so that the US could enter business there, can't remember the full deal will google later and post a link). This helped, thanks.

If Germany hadn't declared war on the US would they have only fought the Pacific war?

Its not a load of rubbish at all. I know Britan won "The battle of britan" and that operation sea lion-the amphibius attack on Britan-was called off because of it. If the Us did not enter the war then Russia would have been defeated because of freed up German troops and tank divisions. Germany would then turn to attack britan again. this time though, Britan would fall. Constant V2 rocket attacks and raids by the newer german fighters along with bombers would have eventually brought the RAF to its knees. Sea Lion 2 would commence and Germany would win.

The British navy was still bigger than the Kriegsmarine, and do you think we didn't have technology either. I would like to point out that the invasion of Europe by the Western allies was not until 1944 by then Germany was losing the war in the East. The invasion of France and Italy speeded up the process. So your argument is invalid.

Bomber aircraft.
United States = 97,810
United Kingdom = 34,689
Soviet Union = 21,116
Germany = 18,235
Japan = 15,117
Italy = 2,063

So we all now air warfare is of supreme importance. The British navy had a naval blockade of Germany it too was losing resources, hence why it needed the the oil fields in the Caucasus. The war between Germany and the British Empire had been fought to a stand still. There was no winner, we were lucky that we had a nice stretch of water called the English Channel. That saved our arses more than the Americans.
Oh I know the US contributed (a little), but who won the wars in Africa against Germany and Italy?????

Check your time lines. Germany was losing by the time of the Invasions of Europe, the war in the west speeded up that process. The US contributed heavily in most of the theaters, but that does not mean Britain would have fallen without it. Look at it this way, if the British Empire was defeated and so the Russians, do you think then that the US would have won. The German's rocket technology was progressing fast and so was their WM D's, in theory then the axis powers could've defeated the US.

commissargizz wrote:

Bomber aircraft.
United States = 97,810
United Kingdom = 34,689
Soviet Union = 21,116
Germany = 18,235
Japan = 15,117
Italy = 2,063

So we all now air warfare is of supreme importance. The British navy had a naval blockade of Germany it too was losing resources, hence why it needed the the oil fields in the Caucasus. The war between Germany and the British Empire had been fought to a stand still. There was no winner, we were lucky that we had a nice stretch of water called the English Channel. That saved our arses more than the Americans.
Oh I know the US contributed (a little), but who won the wars in Africa against Germany and Italy?????

How many bombers were shot down by germans though?
The US had more bombers then the UK, Germany, Soviet Union, Japan and Italy combined. The Us bomber force  made the undeniable difference when it came to bomer force. As for the battles in Africa and Italy; i'm not saying that the British didn't win the battles. Im' saying that without our aid with both weapons and supplies they would have had a much harder fight. If we really want to make this an interesting argument we can say that the US and Britan were just onlookers as Russia pwned Germany hardcore.
The US didn't contribute to as many european fights as many people think but they did contribute the supplies nessecary for the others to fight those fights.

commissargizz wrote:

Check your time lines. Germany was losing by the time of the Invasions of Europe, the war in the west speeded up that process. The US contributed heavily in most of the theaters, but that does not mean Britain would have fallen without it. Look at it this way, if the British Empire was defeated and so the Russians, do you think then that the US would have won. The German's rocket technology was progressing fast and so was their WM D's, in theory then the axis powers could've defeated the US.

Ok heres my theory on if Germany had won the war against both England and Russia. Do I think Germany wouldve invaded England? No. They wouldve had a negotiated peace. I think Germany knew that an invasion of England would be way too costly even if they did win. Germany would never attack the US directly due to something called the Atlantic Ocean so they wouldve had no real impact on the US directly. Maybe something like the Cold War wouldve began but who knows. As far as Russia goes, I dont think they wouldve ever been to occupy the whole country. They wouldve just taken what land they wanted from the Western part and of course put in place a puppet government. But as history has proven any occupying force will be eventually defeated and the Nazi-German Empire would have fallen as well. Example: Soviet Union.