BF2S Forums Should Scotland become an independent republic?

I have scottish ancestry and I don't give a fuck.  TBH I have more of an opinion of Irish independence and I have no ties there whatsoever.

bertster - your view is just pish,
England has an inferiority complex because as the UK fragments, it has no real cultural identity and simply confuses British with English. You have done exactly that by your stupid "we subsidise Scotland" comment.
As far as I know England doesnt subsidise anyone. What you mean is that the BRITISH government funds Scotland, which is a part of Britain. So it cant be a subsidy if its an integral part of Britain, can it ?
You would also do well to remember that the first British king was Scottish - so we actually absorbed your country in 1603 and regretted it ever since
North Sea Oil ? - payed for the recession, so we subsidised your dumb Morris dancing fannies 

We know that we are a wee diddy country, but England just cant accept that - let me quote you a small piece of Welsh which best illustrates it

TOMMY
Doesn't it make you proud to be Scottish?

RENTON
I hate being Scottish. We're the lowest of the fucking low, the scum of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English, but I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can't even pick a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It's a shite state of affairs and all the fresh air in the world will not make any fucking difference.

Just accept it , Britain is not England, The Empire is long gone : we will get a far better deal from Europe than from Britain so I would gladly sever all ties with our southern brethren
LASTLY : West Lothian question ? - still not solved

Last edited by Ess (2006-12-14 02:58:57)

FI-SCOTTY wrote:

Cant wait if only we had done it sooner imagine No Thatcher, No Blair.
No Trident,No Iraq, No CAP,,No Coulport.

No CAP? Scotland's still in Europe.

Ess wrote:

You would also do well to remember that the first British king was Scottish - so we actually absorbed your country in 1603 and regretted it ever since
North Sea Oil ? - payed for the recession, so we subsidised your dumb Morris dancing fannies

+1 for insulting the English much better than I ever could, dumb Morris dancing fannies, lol. I suppose my back doorstep isn't used as a parking lot for Britain's Nuke subs.

Last edited by JahManRed (2006-12-14 03:45:30)

James-M-II wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

If they want. Same as Northern Ireland.

England subsidises the rest of the UK anyway, we'd be better off financially without them.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. It's not like the Scots are being brutally oppressed and they end up with more money being pumped into Scotland than they would have otherwise.

i agree. let scotland leave, see how far they get. its worth a laugh no?

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face when you have to pay to import power from them! Celts are made of sterner stuff than you give them credit for. When we drove ye out noone would have expected that we'd grow to become one of the best performing economies in Europe, with the highest quality of life and lowest unemployment rate in the EU.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-14 03:54:44)

Genuine question here. This is not me being an English arse, I'm just not particularly well informed on this and want someone to clue me in.

Suppose Scotland is granted it's longed for independence, does it comletely cease to be anything to do with the UK? Would all Scottish members of the armed forces be sacked? Would all military assets be removed from Scottish land?

Just curious.

James-M-II wrote:

Lets just get some perspective here, from England, scotland and ireland.... what Nations empire has covered a quater of the globe? Ah, i think Englands? am i wrong?

Comon, whats the most exciting thing in irish history?! a potato famine? And all i have to say to the Scottish people here is CULLODEN Mwahahaha

Most exciting thing? Driving you out!!!! The empire is dead sunny jim, delusions of grandeur FTW! You can't even efficiently massacre the people of a country anymore like you used to (Iraq/Afghanistan).

One could say the Irish empire lies in the 40 million Irish Americans in existence today.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-14 03:57:29)

CameronPoe wrote:

James-M-II wrote:

Lets just get some perspective here, from England, scotland and ireland.... what Nations empire has covered a quater of the globe? Ah, i think Englands? am i wrong?

Comon, whats the most exciting thing in irish history?! a potato famine? And all i have to say to the Scottish people here is CULLODEN Mwahahaha

Most exciting thing? Driving you out!!!! The empire is dead sunny jim, delusions of grandeur FTW! You can't even efficiently massacre the people of a country anymore like you used to (Iraq/Afghanistan).

One could say the Irish empire lies in the 40 million Irish Americans in existence today.

fair and balanced my arse mate, your just like a girl i knew once at college, always thought she was right.

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

Genuine question here. This is not me being an English arse, I'm just not particularly well informed on this and want someone to clue me in.

Suppose Scotland is granted it's longed for independence, does it comletely cease to be anything to do with the UK? Would all Scottish members of the armed forces be sacked? Would all military assets be removed from Scottish land?

Just curious.

Scotland and England agreed in 1707 to join their respective Parliaments.
We can therefore not be "granted" our "longed for independance",if the people of Scotland agreed by democratic means to create an autonomous state or I should say re-create an autonomous state,then the practicalities would flow from that decision.
At present the role of Westminster is restricted to matters such as Tax,and Defence,both of which would obviously be affected, everything else is already a "devolved matter".
Our country would have to undertake a renegotiation with Europe but recently this experience has been successfully undertaken by a number of small on occasion ex soviet republics.
I think it safe to assume a strong relationship would continue to exist between both ourselves and the other nations within the UK.This could also free England from the "perceived" need to lead the UK and I think might lead to a re evaluation of what it means to be "english" within a multi cultural society.
When I am asked about "Independence" and in particular when I am asked by friends in London I point out that they view France as a separate country,why?
They point to a different History,Currency,Language,Education System,Political System,Climate,Legal System,Religion,Culture.
I then point out that all of the above also applies to Scotland.

POINTS OF CONTENTION.

1.Oil Revenues.
2.Where would Trident (or its replacement) be based.
3.Nuclear Power Stations.
4.It is not in the interests of the current US administration.
As regards our armed forces we would retain them with a model similar to Finland /Sweden/ Denmark.

James-M-II wrote:

Lets just get some perspective here, from England, Scotland and Ireland.... what Nations empire has covered a quater of the globe? Ah, i think Englands? am i wrong?

I am proud of the fact that their are Irish people (and Scott's) in every back water shanty town, city and settlement across the globe. Each one of them welcomed into the community because they blend in and contribute well to that community. The Irish are generally welcomed were ever they go.

You are proud because you infested the globe for a couple of hundred years, displacing millions, steeling land, resources, persecuting and ethnic cleansing indigenous peoples and don't even get me started on the middle east its the British that started that shit Storm in a barrel................. The "Empire" was built on the misery of millions of peaceful people , not something I would be proud off TBH.

JahManRed wrote:

I am proud of the fact that their are Irish people (and Scott's) in every back water shanty town, city and settlement across the globe. Each one of them welcomed into the community because they blend in and contribute well to that community. The Irish are generally welcomed were ever they go.

Ahh bless...Like Hobbits