I think you'll find the answer here.Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
LOL, I know man, I was making a joke. Apparently, they never read Sun Tzu.dead_rac00n wrote:
I think you'll find the answer here.Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
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LOL (feel kinda stupid, now...) +1 for youElamdri wrote:
LOL, I know man, I was making a joke. Apparently, the never read Sun Tzu.dead_rac00n wrote:
I think you'll find the answer here.Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
It is not the French soldiers who should take all the blame for their woeful recent battlefield performance, but their inept leadership. Agincourt, Waterloo, WWII (remember the wonderful Maginot line?), Dien Bien Phu (and all of Vietnam for that matter) Chad to name a few where the planning and strategic cock-ups contributed to the defeat. The Politicians have also managed to skilfully sidestep the last few major conflicts.
As soldiers, we just do as we're told and go where they tell us, but if the 'leaders' are to weak willed, then it reflects badly on the Armed Forces.
As soldiers, we just do as we're told and go where they tell us, but if the 'leaders' are to weak willed, then it reflects badly on the Armed Forces.
can someone explain to me how this is considered a win for france?
Battle of Normandy - June 6, 1944-August 25, 1944
Foreign forces made up of British, Canadian and American troops gain the advantage on BEHALF of France against the Germans.
Battle of Normandy - June 6, 1944-August 25, 1944
Foreign forces made up of British, Canadian and American troops gain the advantage on BEHALF of France against the Germans.
While I usually do joke about france (WW2 has made them a joke magnet) with friends of mine I do respect the fact that, if not for them, I would not be living the life i currently am. They aided us in the revolutionary war and have been our allies ever seince. Many people overlook that fact and also dont know that France gave us the Statue of Liberty as a gift of friendship.
*insert standard rainbow-warrior inspired "fuck france" comment here*
maybe the french need to hand over the command of their armed forces to another teenage girl to get some respect around here.
French Foreign Legion, deadly crap. Cruel but very clever - you don't need to worry about losses if they aren't YOUR losses.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I'd argue Vietnam provided the most embarrassing withdrawl/surrender of modern times, easily overshadowing anything by the French, and it looks like Iraq will provide a further blow to an already shaky US track record...
As far as empire building goes, again, the French didn't do too badly for themselves, more than can be said for some of the new kids on the block.
As far as empire building goes, again, the French didn't do too badly for themselves, more than can be said for some of the new kids on the block.
Some like to bash the French, specially militarily wise, but the fact is the french have contributed to war faring much more than the US most other countries as well. Its victories in the past, and defeats in the more recent past, are in just about every tactics and strategy textbooks.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
The French got stuffed in WW2 largely due to being on the wrong end of the initial assault by the Axis forces. If the USA had a land border with Germany, they'd most likely have have been crushed in the first months too.
Ever hear of Napoleon?
Ever hear of Napoleon?
No way man, the French army im sure are fine, but their just puppets like any other army, and French politicials are the sleaziest ever.
Didnt you kill Napoleon and Joan D'Ark??? Lol
And being English, i can say this.... your army was only ever second best.
Im from the isle of wight, and when the french invaded, they did quite successfully.... until they killed enough of the locals to warrent sending the main army down.
The entire french army wich had invaded was killed.
YOU SUCK!
And if that wasnt embassising enough for you. The next time you tried to attack the Isle of Wight (populated purely by farmers and fishermen - you cowardly fucks!) the french army was wiped out... Not by the British Army... But by the locals.
Thats right, the french army sent to kill innocent civilians, were killed by the farmers and fishermen deffending our homes!
Oh and BTW, we made a hill out of the dead trench. Thats how many you foolishly sent to kill us.
HA!
Lesson learned.... French army were cowards and cant even kill unarmed unorganised peasants. Though they seem hell bent to keep trying.
Didnt you kill Napoleon and Joan D'Ark??? Lol
And being English, i can say this.... your army was only ever second best.
Im from the isle of wight, and when the french invaded, they did quite successfully.... until they killed enough of the locals to warrent sending the main army down.
The entire french army wich had invaded was killed.
YOU SUCK!
And if that wasnt embassising enough for you. The next time you tried to attack the Isle of Wight (populated purely by farmers and fishermen - you cowardly fucks!) the french army was wiped out... Not by the British Army... But by the locals.
Thats right, the french army sent to kill innocent civilians, were killed by the farmers and fishermen deffending our homes!
Oh and BTW, we made a hill out of the dead trench. Thats how many you foolishly sent to kill us.
HA!
Lesson learned.... French army were cowards and cant even kill unarmed unorganised peasants. Though they seem hell bent to keep trying.
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To be fair, the French nowerdays is completely different though.
They just wont fight or send in their army unless they know they are going to win or not have to do anything at all.
You suffer from a major lack of commitment and morality.
Not only were we better than you then (see above)
Id be ashamed of my homeland if i were French now.
They just wont fight or send in their army unless they know they are going to win or not have to do anything at all.
You suffer from a major lack of commitment and morality.
Not only were we better than you then (see above)
Id be ashamed of my homeland if i were French now.
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The French Resistance in WW2 showed a good side of the French... but with just 1 in 100 becoming a member, its a pitiful fraction.
The French were kicked out of Vietnam and most of Indochina before the US came in...RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd argue Vietnam provided the most embarrassing withdrawl/surrender of modern times, easily overshadowing anything by the French, and it looks like Iraq will provide a further blow to an already shaky US track record...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
At least they had a the sense to leave that country befor they killed a few million people and lost 50,000 of there our men!Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
They didn't leave on their own free will.Jepeto87 wrote:
At least they had a the sense to leave that country befor they killed a few million people and lost 50,000 of there our men!Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
Why not look up the British army that fought with the French in the Crimean War, had to let them do all the fighting!goblinstomper wrote:
No way man, the French army im sure are fine, but their just puppets like any other army, and French politicials are the sleaziest ever.
Didnt you kill Napoleon and Joan D'Ark??? Lol
And being English, i can say this.... your army was only ever second best.
Im from the isle of wight, and when the french invaded, they did quite successfully.... until they killed enough of the locals to warrent sending the main army down.
The entire french army wich had invaded was killed.
YOU SUCK!
And if that wasnt embassising enough for you. The next time you tried to attack the Isle of Wight (populated purely by farmers and fishermen - you cowardly fucks!) the french army was wiped out... Not by the British Army... But by the locals.
Thats right, the french army sent to kill innocent civilians, were killed by the farmers and fishermen deffending our homes!
Oh and BTW, we made a hill out of the dead trench. Thats how many you foolishly sent to kill us.
HA!
Lesson learned.... French army were cowards and cant even kill unarmed unorganised peasants. Though they seem hell bent to keep trying.
They didnt think they could, so they left. It was the right thing to do!usmarine2007 wrote:
They didn't leave on their own free will.Jepeto87 wrote:
At least they had a the sense to leave that country befor they killed a few million people and lost 50,000 of there our men!Elamdri wrote:
All I have to say is this:
Dien Bien Phu.
I wanna meet the genius who decided that the best place to stick a fort was in a valley.
it's their habit of turning their back on their allies in recent history that has brought the current reputation on them, all of france's problems from asia to haiti turn into someone else's problems, but when their allies are attacked they refuse to share airspace, refuse to assist, even trying to prevent their allies from helping themselves. and yet no matter how many times they turn their back on america and england, you bet your ass we will be there for them
Vancouver, British Columbia, CanadaATG wrote:
Where are you from Drakef?
Mate, you made me laugh so hard it put tears in my eyes +1!GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
maybe the french need to hand over the command of their armed forces to another teenage girl to get some respect around here.
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Where is the hatred for the French politicians coming into play in terms of their waring? I mean, ok I understand the foreign oil interests with Iraq that pissed us off but....Are we really upset with them for not going to war when their majority population didn't want to? I mean God forbid their politicians actually give their citizens what they want...
Indeed.kr@cker wrote:
it's their habit of turning their back on their allies in recent history that has brought the current reputation on them, all of france's problems from asia to haiti turn into someone else's problems, but when their allies are attacked they refuse to share airspace, refuse to assist, even trying to prevent their allies from helping themselves. and yet no matter how many times they turn their back on america and england, you bet your ass we will be there for them
Like in WWII when the french navy was about to be commendeered by the Germans, the captains took the ships out to sea (a good move) But when their ports were captured they had nowhere to dock
England offered the french navy the use of our ports and harbours in return for their cooperation in joint navy manouvers. Basically accepting these french vessels into the British navy, have them sail under joint flags and alllow them to keep their crew/commanders.
Instead of this, the stooopid french tried to dock at their old port (now under german control) because they were too proud to be accepted into another countries navy.
Germany at that time had no real navy, and allowing them to capture these vessels was not an option, they were warned (twice) and then sunk by the British royal navy.
This is such a annoying typically French characteristic that is what the French nation is known for above all else.
This stuck up, overly proud, non cooperative, selfish, idiotic, self centred and ultimately self destructive attitude.