unnamednewbie13
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Opinion: The acquisition of virtual items can take time. Robbery of these items, against a game's 'terms of service,' could be held as being robbery of time investment.

Discuss.

[edit]No, I don't think anybody here is actually suggesting sending the cops to someone's house to question them about stealing a mega sword of holy pwnage [/edit]

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Storytime!

Game: Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
Realm: USWest Ladder
Scammer Acct: imjoemama
Scammer Character: GPK_HURRICANE
Scam Type: Trade Window Switcheroo

I'm one of those people who continue to use Diablo II long after its release, but in my case, I recently started playing again. As a newbie, I am naturally trying to build up a character with the best equipment possible. So when I see a game offering to trade an 'Annihilus' (Fig 1.0), depicted below, I naturally want to check it out. The trader was willing to give it to me for a 'Fortitude' (Fig 1.1), which can be built from four runes and socketed armor, and for two other runes of intrinsically high demand (an Ist and a Lo). The 'Lo' I received for the armor was free (the others are easy to acquire), as were the other two runes lost, but I couldn't help but feel mildly naive at having fallen for this disingenuous plot.

During the process of trading, two windows are open: yours, and the other player's above it. There is one other item that looks exactly like the 'Annihilus' in Fig 1.0, and that is a quest item that is useless once that particular quest is finished. The trader let me get a good look at the 'Annihilus,' then feinted at being in a hurry and having to go. So he was pulling it in and out of the window, urging me on. So, foolishly, I keep my cursor over the accept button and happily go to look at this shiny new charm in my inventory. Instead, there was that a quest item. As it turns out, he was pulling the charm in and out of the trade window, then when he was ready for me to accept, he pulled a 'switcheroo' and dropped that quest item instead.

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/unnamednewbie13/annihilus.jpg
Fig 1.0

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/unnamednewbie13/fortitude.jpg
Fig 1.1

After five futile minutes of trying to get at least some of my stuff back and warning off other 'buyers,' as well as warding off more attempts by the trader to run an identical scam on me 'out of sympathy,' he finally leaves. Afterwards, I report him to Blizzard's scam address for violating the EULA (something I've never done with any game).

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-08 00:29:29)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6808|Southeastern USA
im trying to dl wow now, this will come in handy
jonsimon
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Please god no, in-game theft is not a crime.
kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7023|Toronto Canada
zomg h4x
YunDog
Member
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think of it this way

in the fantasy world of diablo - there are magians and fighters and THEVIES - that blokes character just got conned by the old switcheroo game - it happens in real life too

so in a world where they specifically create these types of characters etc to add atmosphere to the game - then its reasonable that you character could be a victim of theft

in NWN they even have theirf characters which can pick pocket - but on most PW servers they nerfed this because of people crying about losing items - I think its fair game - if I catch the guy pping me I kill him - fair
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
He must be the greatest thief in the world..... of warcraft. 
unnamednewbie13
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jonsimon wrote:

Please god no, in-game theft is not a crime.
No, it isn't, but it can still get you perma-banned in the right game.

YunDog wrote:

think of it this way

1in the fantasy world of diablo - there are magians and fighters and THEVIES - that blokes character just got conned by the old switcheroo game - it happens in real life too

2so in a world where they specifically create these types of characters etc to add atmosphere to the game - then its reasonable that you character could be a victim of theft

3in NWN they even have theirf characters which can pick pocket - but on most PW servers they nerfed this because of people crying about losing items - I think its fair game - if I catch the guy pping me I kill him - fair
1Um...no. The world of Diablo has sorceresses, amazons, druids, necromancers, paladins, barbarians and assassins. No thieves. No 'magians.' Though Diablo 1 did have fighters and sorcerers. Diablo II does not have a 'thief' class, and activity that inhibits the quality of gameplay goes against the license agreement. The closest you can get to being 'legitimately' robbed is allowing looting in a hardcore game, where one death is permanent.

2Other games may have thief classes, but this is not really a feature of Diablo. You should see Blizzard's anger about 'duping.'

3If you're playing NWN or some other such title, consider yourself fairly warned against pickpocketing. Robbery using legit mechanics would be fine. Hacking, duping, or some other sort of 'out-of-character' scam generally isn't. Games not run on official servers, of course, are 'free game.'

Turquoise wrote:

He must be the greatest thief in the world..... of warcraft. 
Saw that one too.
Psycho
Member since 2005
+44|7035|Kansas, USA
I guess playing BF2 makes me a mass murderer?

42,686 and counting...

Last edited by Psycho (2006-12-07 23:55:44)

unnamednewbie13
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Psycho wrote:

I guess playing BF2 makes me a mass murderer?

42,686 and counting...
*cough* Invalid context, as it is a skill-oriented game; not a gear one. Thus, death in BF is largely meaningless. However, mark it down to stealing unlocks, and you'd be closer to having valid context, though these are by far less of a headache to acquire. No, I'm still of the opinion that thievery of time investment is no less a scam than other sorts of scams.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-08 00:33:34)

BVC
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Does pool blocking on Habbo Hotel mean I'm liable for some sort of obstruction charge?
unnamednewbie13
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Pubic wrote:

Does pool blocking on Habbo Hotel mean I'm liable for some sort of obstruction charge?
Dude, wtf? Read the OP edit, since people don't seem to understand the object of the post. There's absolutely no way the legality of this would come into question (unless some genius lawyer takes a hint from the computer industry's legal grudge against "warez").

This is the point: I'm all for being a huge asshole in online games, but not to the point where you're actually ripping people off above and beyond what the developers intended. A scam is a scam is a scam. Some people actually lose real money on these things.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Some people actually lose real money on these things.
Darwinism at work: if they lose enough, they'll die before reproducing!
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6807|USA bitches!
Diablo is such a shitty game now. Really, it is. Stop playing it. Only fucking idiots get their shit stolen on it. I played D2 alongside my friend for like 5 years and not once did he or I get robbed. He got a few Tal armors off people by switching out that other purple armor (rockfleec?), but nothing more than that. I mean, really, you're only as good as the items you have in that game, which is shit. All the fucks that have had that game for a while own EVERYTHING, because they're the ones with engimas, hoto's, etc etc etc..

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