dont blame me, blame the Europeans. mmk. After all, it was they who sent us over here. I just happened to be born in the U.S.
Good post stingray. Why in the hell does everyone want to hold everyone else accountable for their ancestors. My ancestors "owned" slaves. Do I feel guilty? HELL NO. Who gives a shit what their ancestors did for good or bad. You are only accountable, and worth, what you have done.Stingray24 wrote:
No, it's no hypocritical. I did not commit those crimes, so sorry no reparations. No matter what race one is, they're ancestors committed some horrible crime at some point back in history. Let's live for today instead of causing racial tensions by focusing on the past.sergeriver wrote:
[Question:
Have you ever thought for a while that Europe is strong today thanks to America's (the whole continent America) gold and silver, which Europeans stole since Columbus Discovery? Isn't it hypocrite to criticize other countries policies, when you are enjoying the fruit your forefathers stole from another Continent, leaving behind only death and misery? How do you pay for reparations to Aztecs or Incas? I'm not talking just about gold and silver, but of their lives.
Do you know that America is a continent, not just a country? Read a thread once in a while, so you don't talk BS. OMG.lowing wrote:
America was conquered by the Europeans??!!!...........Boy, ya just learn somethin' new everyday! Let me guess, you have an article that says Bush was in on it.
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I think there's nothing to prove here. Europe became stronger and richer thanks to the gold taken from the Americas. And in exchange they killed the Aztecs, Mayas and Incas. Great deal for native Americans. And for those who say I'm accusing the Europeans of today, you are wrong. I'm just telling the story like it was. Germans of today are not guilty coz of Hitler.ATG wrote:
Seems like a lot of you are missing the point.
Serge is calling Europeans hypocrits because he claims much of the wealth in Europe came from the early conquests of the Americas, which is a common excuse for Europeans to dislike America, that being, they say we raped and pilage the land and don't deserve anything.
Interesting notion, but he provides no links to support his claim.
While gold and treasure were certainly motivators, to say that the plunder of the Americas is mostly responible for Europes current stature is specious at best.
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.sergeriver wrote:
Do you know that America is a continent, not just a country?lowing wrote:
America was conquered by the Europeans??!!!...........Boy, ya just learn somethin' new everyday! Let me guess, you have an article that says Bush was in on it.
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.weamo8 wrote:
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.sergeriver wrote:
Do you know that America is a continent, not just a country?lowing wrote:
America was conquered by the Europeans??!!!...........Boy, ya just learn somethin' new everyday! Let me guess, you have an article that says Bush was in on it.
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
Why is it you must say OMG now, can't you come up with a better response than that? America is refered to as a country as typically, that is how people view it! North and South America are different, and Central America, is not a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.weamo8 wrote:
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.sergeriver wrote:
Do you know that America is a continent, not just a country?
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
What is ironic is the American Indian believed no one owned the land.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
@ Central America being a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.weamo8 wrote:
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.sergeriver wrote:
Do you know that America is a continent, not just a country?
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
The sad thing is... very few cultures that exist today are indigenous to the areas they live in. Most of the earliest indigenous cultures of any continent have been killed off or assimilated to the point of being unrecognizable.sergeriver wrote:
America, the Stolen Continent:
Spiritual malaise and social turmoil were rife in 15th century Europe. Epidemic diseases and famine raged. Death was omnipresent. War was widespread and institutions of authority like the Church were venal and corrupt. The 'discovery' of America offered the possibility of a new beginning for Europe. Unfortunately, the invading powers chose to solve their problems at the expense of the new land and the native Americans who lived there. COLUMBUS hungered for gold but found little. However his followers did: Cortes plundered the Aztec temples and Pizarro stole shiploads of Inca wealth. But while Indians worked the Spanish mines of Bolivia and Mexico, most of the wealth eventually wound up in the pockets of Dutch, British and French businessmen.
The old European mercantile economy was shaken by the massive injection of American wealth. In 1500, Europe had $200 million worth of gold and silver: a century later the amount was eight times greater. Inflation sent the value of precious metals plummeting worldwide. (The Ottoman Empire saw the value of its silver hoard fall 50 per cent by 1584, knocking the Islamic power from contention as a major trading bloc.) And as the American booty spread around Europe, a new merchant and capitalist class was launched.
Soon the British and Dutch expanded into North America, India, China and southeast Asia. By 1750 a truly global trading network had been established with Europe in firm control. The catalyst: American gold and silver.
Source: Jack Weatherford, from his book Indian Givers.
Question:
Have you ever thought for a while that Europe is strong today thanks to America's (the whole continent America) gold and silver, which Europeans stole since Columbus Discovery? Isn't it hypocrite to criticize other countries policies, when you are enjoying the fruit your forefathers stole from another Continent, leaving behind only death and misery? How do you pay for reparations to Aztecs or Incas? I'm not talking just about gold and silver, but of their lives.
You are being serious? America or The Americas for US citizens, is a continent, subdivided in North, Central, and South America. Go ask someone from Costa Rica if they live in North America. Where do you place the Caribbean countries? Is Cuba in North America? It's 90 miles away from Florida.Miller wrote:
Why is it you must say OMG now, can't you come up with a better response than that? America is refered to as a country as typically, that is how people view it! North and South America are different, and Central America, is not a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.weamo8 wrote:
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
No, it's part of the American continent. I never said it was a continent by itself. But Central America is not North America. I'm speaking of political divisions.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
@ Central America being a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.weamo8 wrote:
I lived in Brazil for two years, and I got so tired of this shit. Go to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Japan, Canada, Tobago, Russia, Sweden, or Morocco and ask anyone there what America is.
And if you look at it as a continent, most scholars agree that it is two: North America and South America. I'm not sure where you get your text books in Argentina, but there is no American continent.
Wow, only 90 miles, I couldn't move half way across California in 90 miles. Cuba, in my book, and other sources of my geography teaching, is in North America. Central America can be defined, but is not a continent. I have not yet heard anyone refer to the US as The Americas, only America. Where would you place Central America as a continent anyhow?sergeriver wrote:
You are being serious? America or The Americas for US citizens, is a continent, subdivided in North, Central, and South America. Go ask someone from Costa Rica if they live in North America. Where do you place the Caribbean countries? Is Cuba in North America? It's 90 miles away from Florida.Miller wrote:
Why is it you must say OMG now, can't you come up with a better response than that? America is refered to as a country as typically, that is how people view it! North and South America are different, and Central America, is not a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.
North America.Miller wrote:
Wow, only 90 miles, I couldn't move half way across California in 90 miles. Cuba, in my book, and other sources of my geography teaching, is in North America. Central America can be defined, but is not a continent. I have not yet heard anyone refer to the US as The Americas, only America. Where would you place Central America as a continent anyhow?sergeriver wrote:
You are being serious? America or The Americas for US citizens, is a continent, subdivided in North, Central, and South America. Go ask someone from Costa Rica if they live in North America. Where do you place the Caribbean countries? Is Cuba in North America? It's 90 miles away from Florida.Miller wrote:
Why is it you must say OMG now, can't you come up with a better response than that? America is refered to as a country as typically, that is how people view it! North and South America are different, and Central America, is not a continent.
There is one continent named America, geopolitically subdivided in North, Central and South America.
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Continents aren't political, they are geographic. No really, I'm serious. Central America is part of North America - everywhere in the world except Argentina anyways.sergeriver wrote:
No, it's part of the American continent. I never said it was a continent by itself. But Central America is not North America. I'm speaking of political divisions.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
@ Central America being a continent.sergeriver wrote:
Don't say. America is a continent. And you forgot Central America. OMG, read some National Geographic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_america
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Central America.weamo8 wrote:
Continents aren't political, they are geographic. No really, I'm serious. Central America is part of North America - everywhere in the world except Argentina anyways.sergeriver wrote:
No, it's part of the American continent. I never said it was a continent by itself. But Central America is not North America. I'm speaking of political divisions.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
@ Central America being a continent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cont … uleurs.png
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Are you still trying to argue that Central America is a continent?
There are only 7 continents:
North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, and Antarctica.
There are only 7 continents:
North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, and Antarctica.
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You post a link of Wiki giving for granted everything, but I can tell you Costa Rica or El Salvador aren't in North America. Sorry. Central America.weamo8 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Continents_vide_couleurs.png
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Pangea.. now those were the good ol' days.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Are you still trying to argue that Central America is a continent?
There are only 7 continents:
North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, and Antarctica.
http://www.uoregon.edu/~kburr/7continen … age002.gif
Xbone Stormsurgezz
How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what? To most of the world there are 7. This is an honest question, maybe you all learn it differently.sergeriver wrote:
You post a link of Wiki giving for granted everything, but I can tell you Costa Rica or El Salvador aren't in North America. Sorry. Central America.weamo8 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Continents_vide_couleurs.png
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Either way, you are just furthering my point. There is no continent: America.
Continental sections: A section is a division of a continent into a logical travel part. Classic examples are Southeast Asia or Scandinavia. Sometimes sections may not make sense, or may be equivalent to national boundaries. For example, it's natural to divide North America into Canada, the United States of America, and Mexico.weamo8 wrote:
How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what? To most of the world there are 7. This is an honest question, maybe you all learn it differently.sergeriver wrote:
You post a link of Wiki giving for granted everything, but I can tell you Costa Rica or El Salvador aren't in North America. Sorry. Central America.weamo8 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Continents_vide_couleurs.png
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Either way, you are just furthering my point. There is no continent: America.
For me there are 6, America, Europe, Asia, Oceania, Africa and Antarctica. But you could say Eurasia is one continent, because there is no political division just geographical, as you mentioned. America is divided in two big land masses, but Central America is a subdivision of America, the continent not the country. And please don't think you are smart saying "How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what?".
I have sympathy for the native American's.
now I have a few arguments:
Survival of the Fittest. It applies to all living things on this green Earth.
Now, I'm not saying that native American's were not fit to survive and have the population decimated. You know as well as I that humans are greedy by nature. I am not condoning what the Europeans did but conquest is not new. If you go way back. The great civilizations were brutal toward their conquered subjects, Romans, Nubians, Hittites, ect.
If you are native American's, I know, you are feeling the same way as the people of Carthage when they were conquered and subjected to years of pain by the Romans, There are more examples but I will not go through them.
Throughout human history, here are the things that all the civilization have in common:
1)Conquer for land to expand (survival)
2)Conquer for riches (greed)
3)Conquer to put their nation on top, be the top dog.
4)Conquer to convert to their religion
now I have a few arguments:
Survival of the Fittest. It applies to all living things on this green Earth.
Now, I'm not saying that native American's were not fit to survive and have the population decimated. You know as well as I that humans are greedy by nature. I am not condoning what the Europeans did but conquest is not new. If you go way back. The great civilizations were brutal toward their conquered subjects, Romans, Nubians, Hittites, ect.
If you are native American's, I know, you are feeling the same way as the people of Carthage when they were conquered and subjected to years of pain by the Romans, There are more examples but I will not go through them.
Throughout human history, here are the things that all the civilization have in common:
1)Conquer for land to expand (survival)
2)Conquer for riches (greed)
3)Conquer to put their nation on top, be the top dog.
4)Conquer to convert to their religion
Read the first paragraph you posted, and then read the second. Do you see anything contridictory?sergeriver wrote:
Continental sections: A section is a division of a continent into a logical travel part. Classic examples are Southeast Asia or Scandinavia. Sometimes sections may not make sense, or may be equivalent to national boundaries. For example, it's natural to divide North America into Canada, the United States of America, and Mexico.weamo8 wrote:
How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what? To most of the world there are 7. This is an honest question, maybe you all learn it differently.sergeriver wrote:
You post a link of Wiki giving for granted everything, but I can tell you Costa Rica or El Salvador aren't in North America. Sorry. Central America.
Either way, you are just furthering my point. There is no continent: America.
For me there are 6, America, Europe, Asia, Oceania, Africa and Antarctica. But you could say Eurasia is one continent, because there is no political division just geographical, as you mentioned. America is divided in two big land masses, but Central America is a subdivision of America, the continent not the country. And please don't think you are smart saying "How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what?".
So, to you, there is a continent: America. To the rest of the world, including every site you have showed me, said continent does not exist.
Every site you post simply furthers my argument. Keep it up.
Here you go the same wikipedia but in Spanish. You say there is no continent called America because America is the name you give to US.weamo8 wrote:
How many continents are there to Argentineans? 29 or 30 or what? To most of the world there are 7. This is an honest question, maybe you all learn it differently.sergeriver wrote:
You post a link of Wiki giving for granted everything, but I can tell you Costa Rica or El Salvador aren't in North America. Sorry. Central America.weamo8 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Continents_vide_couleurs.png
Maybe this will help. All you have to do is not be color-blind and you will understand.
Either way, you are just furthering my point. There is no continent: America.
En términos generales América Central es el nombre de la región geográfica entre América del Norte y América del Sur. Es comúnmente aceptado hoy día que América Central se extiende desde la frontera del sur de México, en Norteamérica, hasta la frontera de noroeste de Colombia, en Sudamérica.
Translation: In general terms, Central America is the name given to the geographic region between North and South America. It's commonly accepted today that Central America goes from the southern border of Mexico , in North America, to the norwestern border of Colombia, in South America.