BF2S Forums Before And After The Iraq Invasion.

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Quote from Wiki:

Al-Qaeda or al-Qaida (القاعدة, translit: al-Qā`ida; "the Law", "the foundation", or "the base") is an armed Sunni Islamist organization with the stated objective of eliminating foreign influence in Muslim countries, eradicating those they deem to be "infidels", and reestablishing the caliphate.

Now while the second two plans of theirs are a little worrying, they seem to want us out of there.  And if we're out of sight, then out of mind.

Want more?  How about the personal plans of dear old Osama?

In conjunction with several other Islamic militants, bin Laden issued a fatwa (Islamic religious edict), that Muslims should kill civilians and military personnel from the United States and allied countries until they withdraw support for Israel and military forces from Islamic countries.

Seems he wants us out of there too.

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

??  You want to ignore what they say?

ATG wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Worst tactical fuckup of all time. I really don't know what they were thinking. Didn't they do any scenario speculation pre-war? It puzzles me that the world major military power suffers from such strategic ineptitude. They may bring Iran practically to the doorstep of Israel. Something I originally imagined the war was designed to prevent. I must say I never foresaw the entire Iran element of the Iraq war at all.

I'm telling you, this whole thing reeks of Skull and Bones / Illuminati design.
Our people could not possibly have been so short sighted as to not see the threat of Iran becoming a superpower if we failed. Stupid ol' me saw it and called it one year in.
This is happening for a reason. We ( our government  ) are making calculated desicions to do things ineptly, to fail, so as to make the public loose faith and demand a change, a change that will surrender our freedom and liberty.

Sheep to the slaughter. That's all we are.

GATOR591957 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

Also there was this big lie we were told.  This will all come out I'm sure after GW is out of office and unprotected.

Are you talking about the same shitty intel the rest of the world had? Being wrong and a lie are two different things.

This topic has been run to death.  Having intel, then  choosing what to let the public know is lying.

ATG wrote:

The intel topic maybe, but my point is; look at the maps. Is that acceptable to the United States and the world?
A greater Iran will be the result of our bumblings. There is still time and hope, but I have lost all faith and confidence in our leaders.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-06 12:29:44)

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

The intel topic maybe, but my point is; look at the maps. Is that acceptable to the United States and the world?
A greater Iran will be the result of our bumblings. There is still time and hope, but I have lost all faith and confidence in our leaders.

Well,lol.. if you want to get down to it. We picked one out of three that didn't have it and spent time in there while the other two acquired it openly.(Nuclear Tech)

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

It's not the terrorist plan to "kill Americans".  So killing US troops gives them no satisfaction.

What they want is for the US to get the f*** out of the area.  Before we were there in force (Iraq war), the only way for them to try to get us out was to influence the American public by getting into the news.  What better way than to hit something close to the US's heart than attacking their country?

What we need to do is stop pissing these guys off, and they'll stop attacking us.  Listen to their demands.  Get military bases out of the countries over there.  Stop taking sides in conflicts over there over purely selfish reasons (oil).

.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:

ATG wrote:

In all the time sinse 9-11 we haven't witnessed an attack on our soil. The borders are open, if Haji wanted to blow shit up here, he would have by now.

As opposed to before 9/11 when attacks on American soil were like 5-6 a week?

The only reason there aren't attacks on American soil at the moment is because the Americans are providing the Iraqi insurgents a plentiful supply of Americans to attack 5 minutes down the road as opposed to having to travel halfway round the world and risk increased boarder security, the difficulty of arming yourself when you get there etc.

If we change this to how many attacks have we witnessed on Americans, we suddenly see how bad things have become.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-12-06 17:19:36)

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If we're having trouble with this, you can imagine how much trouble Iran will have.

Yes, because Iran and the US are so very, very similar.

Leadership wise, they actually are.

Both Ahmadinejad and Bush are very unpopular presidents who draw most of their support from religious extremists that are poorly educated.  The main difference is that our Religious Right is obsessed with Christianity and theirs is obsessed with Islam.  Also, thankfully, our Religious Right is far less powerful than theirs.  They have a theocracy, while we just have people that desire a theocracy.

Also, both Ahmadinejad and Bush are poor policymakers that derive a good portion of their support from condemning outside entities in order to invoke patriotism.  Ahmadinejad condemns the U.S. and Israel, while Bush condemns Iran and terrorists.  Either way, they do this often, so that people are distracted from their own failings.

So yes, governmentally, we have a lot in common.

Iran probably could do a better job than us with Iraq, since they would have the support of a lot of the Shiites, and they'd be more comfortable with killing opposition.  We prefer to maintain a sense of honor, but Iran's forces probably wouldn't bother with that.

Turquoise wrote:

That makes sense.  I just think that Iran will still have to worry about the Sunni extremists.  I'm assuming most of the Iranian funded ones are Shiite.

Turquoise wrote:

Either way, they can have Iraq.  I never wanted America in charge of it in the first place.