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American or an Asshat

American67%67% - 77
Asshat who cares about feelings32%32% - 37
Total: 114
YunDog
Member
+6|6998

Miller wrote:

Christmas for Christians symbolizes the birth of Jesus Christ you moron.  It has turned into a time of giving gifts, it used to be pure religion.
O Really! What do you think Jesus's opinion of people spending shit loads of money on material crap to give to each other, to relieve their guilt over not sparing the time to see their own families more than once a year. - Meanwhile 2/3rd of the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS STARVING TO DEATH

Jesus be cool with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

look it up - its a pagan winter festival - no one knows when Jesus was born
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6997|Southeastern USA
he was born in april
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6967|Adelaide, South Australia

kr@cker wrote:

he was born in april
i thought he died/resurrected in April.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6997|Southeastern USA
dammit, i can't sort through the search crap and find it now, but we were just discussing this last week. going by ceasar's census date it was spring i think, i'll keep looking.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6985|Long Island, New York
I'm an Atheist Jew and I LOVE christmas music. I'm not offended at all. Schools need to stop being so tightassed.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7094
I can see a problem with songs that are christian christman like silent night and all that but I don't see anything wrong with songs like Rudolf.

I say all religions can do it or no religions can do it. Seems like in todays society nobody's religion is the only answer to not offend the stupid people. Quite frankly I don't give a fuck what holiday people celebrate.

Oh yes, and try to pick a less biased poll. One sided polls don't make you look very objective.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7074|Quebec city, Canada
where is the problem with songs that have a bit of christianity in it ? We sing it for fun, because its christmas, and we want to get into the atmosphere. 80% of people that listen to christmas music, especially the ones that include christian lyrics, dont care about the religion and those lyrics, the music is only for the atmosphere, and for the tradition.

I dont care if I may offend people with words like Christmas and Christmas songs, we dont burn arab flags, we dont laugh at them, we just celebrate OUR holiday, and it's one of the only moment in a year when we/they hear about jesus. And btw we/they dont really hear about him, its just the holiday that we are stils celebrating, and that turned into a commercial holiday. So plz minorities, accept our way of life and if you dont like our christmas songs, just dont take care of the lyrics, as WE do actually.

and last thing, when the muslims shout "death to america, death to america!!" in their streets, in Irak, no one seems offended here, its just part of THEIR way of life to hate north america, and we let them do it, even though those words wish our death. At the other end, muslims threw rocks at ambassads when pictures of Mahomet were released. So plz only tolerate our Christmas traditions, that have nothing to do with you.
WarriorDave
Member
+10|6818|Louisville, Ky
Stopping Christmas is just fucking retarded. It's not religious for me, it's about getting drunk, fat, and gifts. When I was in school, come Christmas time, everyone has fun, even the Jewish people around here participate in the festivities, which I thought they were against. Being for/against Christmas does NOT in any way make you an anti-American asshat, though.
In a nearby school, a Muslim girl protested the Christian prayer that is given at the graduation ceremony for seniors at the High School. It wasn't just the fact that she didn't want to hear the prayer, though.
There was some bullshit started over it, and her parents threatened legal action. They felt that she shouldn't be subject to our religious ways. (I say 'our' in the sense of 'Americans') We must be doing something extremely wrong, however, since they're from Iran, and came here to our country. I've got the same anger, if not more, than the OP, about this subject.
The fucked up thing was, she prayed 2-3 times a day in school, aloud, in class. The other people in the school didn't bitch about having to hear her pray in a different language. They had to listen to her everyday, and her religious practices are safe in this country due to our laws. However, the fucked up thing is, our religious practices are NOT safe in our OWN fucking country. Our religious figures have all been removed from schools (at least in this area) and even the Pledge of Allegiance is disputed because of the word, "God". Now, she didn't want to have to hear the Christian prayer, that's said once for the 90% Christian community that has to listen to her pray every day? Kinda hypocritical to protest this shit. I think most Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to religion and how they deal with other people's religious choices.
Prior the graduation ceremony, she was seen at Wal-Mart, and had the shit kicked out of her.
Anyhow, the smart Christians found a way around it, which really singled her out and gave her a lot of negative attention. The ceremony was carried out as planned, with the Christian prayer included, while she was in the hallway. After the Christian prayer, she was called into the auditorium where the rest of the people were, and the tension could be cut with a dull blade.
This incident was just one of many religious and racial tensions (white and black disputes here are rare) that we face in this region. The girl got her wish in a way, she didn't have to hear our prayer anymore.
This dispute came up a few weeks before the end of school. When the solution was met, there were several parents threatening MORE legal action until their kids did not have to listen to other people's prayer. For her remaining days as a student in school, she was made to pray in the hall, where it would not disturb the class!
I'm not a religious person, and if I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I'd choose N/A. Christians (and Catholics for that matter) follow a book written which is, in my opinion, a book of fiction. I can't grasp the concept of somebody writing a book in which a man walked on water, made pigs run off a cliff, and did all the shit Jesus did without the writer being on some sort of opiate. The beginning chapters state that a woman was made from the leftovers of a man, making her inferior. And the chicken/egg thing, just doesn't work with the bible. Muslims (as I've read, not without a measure of skeptical intellect) are separated into two groups, Sunni and Shia (sp?), warring over who should have taken Mohammad's place as the next leader of Islam. Women aren't treated well by Muslim men. The Catholic Pope very well indeed did state that Muslims are warmongers, and they proved him right with their actions following his words - naive and predictable bastards. If they really wanted to prove their non-violent ways, they could've done it without burning effigies of the Pope.
They have their rights to believe in what they believe in, though, but if I had a book to believe in, it's definitely Next by Michael Crichton. What really bites my pickle is that everyone thinks that since the USA is largely Christian, that anything non-Christian is anti-American.
Evolution FTW.
dubbs
Member
+105|7080|Lexington, KY

Marconius wrote:

Religious freedom does not equal christians constantly getting their way...

The liberty granted allows everyone to practice or not practice equally, and decisions based on this are founded on the intolerance inherent in the faiths of today.  I don't see how "our ways" have anything to do with christmas music, but forcing others that might not want to listen to it to do so is as un-american as you can get.  We are in a more diverse time, celebrating the freedom that this country grants ALL of us (and not just christians).  The dominance of christianity is finally falling and is being set in it's proper equal place with the rest of the faiths.  It is not something to get mad at, it is simply the way this country was founded and is finally adapting back towards now that America has grown.
If that is true then they should not get the sales because of Christmas.  They should not be allowed out of school because of Christmas.  They want the benefits of Christmas, but not say that it is because of Christmas. 

Also, the freedom of religion means that you can practice it, not to protect you from the religion if you are offended by it.  There are other issues that have been granted to other religions, like Muslims, that have been more contiversial.  For example, last year Dell fired a group of Muslims who left the assembly line to pray without telling anyone.  These Muslims took Dell to court and won their job back, and on top of the Dell had to allow them to pray and pay the for the time that they were fired.  About the same time HP fired a employee for having Bible passages against homosexuality.  This guy was fired, and did not get his job back when he went to court aobut it.  In both of these cases, we see that the Muslims were the ones who were given the freedom of religion, not the Christian.  I can even go even futher to say that in Flordia last year, and Jewish community was told that they could not have anything that pertained to Hannauka in their yard, but Muslims and Christians could display their religious symblos.  In other locations in the US, it is okay for schools to have a special menu for Jews, but not for Muslims. 


What really gets on my nerves is that Christmas is ao commerical now.


Edit:

kr@cker wrote:

he was born in april
No, he was born during the Spring Season.  No one knows for sure what month Jesus was actually born.  The reason that we celebrate His birth in December, was because the Romans had a god who was reborn on December 21st (when days get longer again).  The Roman government tried to overcome this pagan ritual when the goverenment converted to Chrisitanity.  Jesus's birth has also been celebrated on Jan the 5th in the past also.

Last edited by dubbs (2006-12-04 21:28:18)

BVC
Member
+325|7143

SealXo wrote:

So, i went to school today. I'm sitting in class, the teachers playing music as always. My friend requests Christmas music, then we all start to request it. And she says "The district is no longer aloud to talk about or play anything about christmas"
...
         so the question is, are you american or a hippie?
I'm neither American nor hippie.  I'm an atheist but Christmas stuff doesn't bother me one damned bit.  I dislike the music but not for religious reasons, I just think it sucks.  4 years in a retail store thats much like Walmart will do that to you.

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

On a side note on the topic of music in class, my Auto-Tech teacher played "Sick and Twisted Christmas Songs" and none of the Jews or the Muslim complained.  We were all laughing our asses off regardless of faith.
There wasn't any Kevin Bloody Wilson in there by any chance?

Miller wrote:

Ahhh California... My english teacher is vegan... She regularly hands out flyers from PETA.  And if you ask why her dog is vegan and why she won't let the dog choose between a salad and a steak, the whole period runs out of time while you laugh your head off.
That poor dog...you should give her some pro-meat leaflets, or send her to meatspin

Miller wrote:

You could say the same for Atheists... Considering the only thing they have to do in life is have sex, and spread disease from that... Why do they have anything to do here anyway? What's the point of doing anything if you don't believe any of it will matter to you when you're dead?
Atheism is the disbelief in god/gods, the afterlife etc.  I use condoms unless I know the woman well enough and TBH I'm rather happy to sleep off the hangover on sunday mornings

Turquoise wrote:

It's about enjoying yourself.  But you know...  sensible atheists still believe in personal responsibility and have a code of ethics.
I base my code of ethics largely on what I'd be comfortable being on the receiving end of...sort of like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity

It seems to work well.

Last edited by Pubic (2006-12-04 22:55:53)

RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6853|NSW, Australia

come to Australia our hobbies are drinking,race riots agiants islam,sport
SwampDog
Member
+12|6918|Luton, England

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

come to Australia our hobbies are drinking,race riots agiants islam,sport
Sounds like fun!

Here in the UK they`ve been trying to ban christmas for ages. Some supermarkets have started calling christmas cards and lights and stuff, festive cards and lights. So merry festive everyone.  They`ve even tried to ban our national flag, the st georges cross because it is offensive to muslims. Shit, it won`t be long until they try to ban being white because it offends muslims. The funniest thing is, the muslims themselves aren`t even offended by any of it. It`s the idiots in charge who have all gone politicaly correct mad. I was talking to my sister, who works in a nursery, and she was telling me they`ve had to change baa baa black sheep to baa baa coloured sheep because it might offend. The world has gone mad.
beerface702
Member
+65|7141|las vegas
we all know what christmas is about folks



8800GTX
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6967|Adelaide, South Australia

SwampDog wrote:

they`ve had to change baa baa black sheep to baa baa coloured sheep because it might offend.
Thats worse than those religious fundamentalists who want to change "Hello" to "Heaveno".
beerface702
Member
+65|7141|las vegas

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

come to Australia our hobbies are drinking,race riots agiants islam,sport
lol sport
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7277

SealXo wrote:

So, i went to school today. I'm sitting in class, the teachers playing music as always. My friend requests Christmas music, then we all start to request it. And she says "The district is no longer aloud to talk about or play anything about christmas"

            WHATTTTTTT!!!!!


           I remember in 1st grade we had secret santa, music, treats all sorts of fun! Now we cant even talk about christmas because it will OFFEND OTHER RELEGIONS! WHAT ever happened to RELIGIOUS FREEDEOM? I ask. Well it seems that it might offend other races and religions.

           BULLSHIT.

(Note:I'm half jewish so this isn't biased)
         
          I can't believe when we play christmas music its offending, but then the very next period some Muslim girl starts to say a prayer infront of the whole calss.

          So when we sing its offending, but when she prays to Muhammad or whatever the hell, And i say it offends me, IM A RACIST!???!?!?!?

         I can't believe how people from other countries are trying to ruin the american way! First they try to take out god in the Pedge, and now this?! If i went to Iran and went to a school there. And i said that it offended me, they wouldnt give a shit, if you come to a country you respect there ways of life, especially when they have had the same tradition for the last 300+ YEARS! God i mean seriously, lame

        IM OFFENDED (here comes the redneck rant) GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY IF YOU DONT RESPECT OUR WAYS

         so the question is, are you american or a hippie?
I spent 2 Christmases working in a supermarket that played the same Christmas music tape on a loop all day every day from mid November.

Think of it as a lucky escape.
Fen321
Member
+54|6945|Singularity

YunDog wrote:

CHRISTMAS ! IS A LOAD OF BULLSHIT

Its a pagan tradition stolen by the christians, and then stolen by corporations, so they can milk the populous of its gold.

All the institutions support it because it bolsters profits and keeps the consumer driven western society from canabalising itself

if you want to give a gift to someone then why wait - give it to them today - you dont need permission from Christianity to give a gift to someone


THERE IS NO SANTA AND THERE IS NO GOD - SO HARDEN THE FUCK UP

On topic - there should be no religion in schools, you want to teach your kids a whole load of superstitious lies and bullshit - do it in your own time on your dollar
I hear you on this big time


hey little billy do you know what god is, he is this all powerful being that lets you get fucked over any time he doesn't want you to do anything

Ahh yes the Christmas spirit is showing strong in these forums ! Eggnog anyone?
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6996|USA bitches!
How is someone half Jewish? Either you are, or you're not. One thing is clear, you're fucking stupid.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6997|Southeastern USA

Jenkinsbball wrote:

How is someone half Jewish? Either you are, or you're not. One thing is clear, you're fucking stupid.
umm, one parental unit is jewish, the other is not
you can join a synagogue without being born jewish, and being born jewish doesn't mean you practice

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-12-05 06:27:04)

Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6996|USA bitches!

kr@cker wrote:

Jenkinsbball wrote:

How is someone half Jewish? Either you are, or you're not. One thing is clear, you're fucking stupid.
umm, one parental unit is jewish, the other is not
you can join a synagogue without being born jewish, and being born jewish doesn't mean you practice
I just don't understand it. It's like saying I'm half Christian and half Muslim. Doesn't fit.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6997|Southeastern USA
he's talking about being genetically jewish, not religiously jewish, as "jew" doubles as both a religious and racial descriptor. since their religion was named after their race.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6997|EUtopia | Austria
Man, if we'd listen to anything else around christmas time, but no, same old black/death metal break in, break out...
Some of the teachers don't even dare to come close to our classroom anymore ^^
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6996|USA bitches!

kr@cker wrote:

he's talking about being genetically jewish, not religiously jewish, as "jew" doubles as both a religious and racial descriptor. since their religion was named after their race.
Wow, I have never heard that their religion was named after their race. I always thought being Jewish was a religion. My bad.

Oh yeah, my contribution to this thread:

The ACLU is to blame for all this Christmas hate shit. They're a fucking worthless organization that would rather protect NAMBLA than the kids that NAMBLA destroys.

Last edited by Jenkinsbball (2006-12-05 06:38:52)

Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7133|Espoo, Finland
If someone moves to your country and finds you're christmass traditions offensive, you don't stop your traditions. Either the immigrant accepts them or leaves the country.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6997|Southeastern USA
jewish/israelites same thing

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