BF2S Forums Bolt VS Semi

My arty is my sniper ... dodge this!!!!

Jemme101 wrote:

Those rubbish tables by Duck have been around longer than you have been playing this game.

And the story's about the earth being the center of the sol system have been around for more than 2000 years. What does this prove ? Nonsense doesn't get credibility because its old nonsense.

Between my public accounts and clanmatches I must have played over 2000 hours in this game.

Then you must really have a problem with your senses. I find it totally absurd to discuss something which is so clearly, but okay:
- How many shots can you fire with your M24 in a minute ?
- How long do you think the M24 needs for the bolt to reload ?
- If you agree that the M24-Shooter has 5 Shots per clip and you have 7 clips (correct me if I'm wrong), how long would such a sniper need to empty his ammo with a rate of fire of 600 per minute ?
(Btw. if you really have 2000 hours in a game which has been around about two years, you really need a life to attend to.)

You were correcting James-M-II with numbers to back up your story. If you do so you better make sure they are correct before misinforming him and others.

There are two differences. The first thing, my mistake is neglectable, it doesn't change anything for the fact how many shots you need for a target. Your error is absurd in its nature. The second thing is, that I don't have any problem admitting my error, I make dozens of them every day. But I don't insult people and lose my temper.

The 'claims' are not mine and neither do I have to prove them. The feedback by the posters in that thread and the updates by Black_Duck_1 is all I need.

Then I would consider finding people who backup your "not mine" claims. I would really wonder how many people agree to a rate of fire of 600 in a bolt action gun.

When and where I will ask him about the 600 number is for me to decide and not some douche like you.

And if you think that insults prove your point better, than maybe we should stop the debate at this point.

No Jemme, you just got your ass handed to you...

Grow some balls and admit it.

Anyway, if you must use a sniper rifle atleast use a semi-auto... you can call it a M1 with a scope, you don't look so retarded that way.

L96 with a good card sound and 7.1 sound system is just awesome for your ears

If you tards really believe that the L9 and M95 > SVD or the chink one, w/e the fuck it's called, you really are BF2s nubs.

eagles1106 wrote:

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lol eagles stfu you noob

Well i love pretty much all sniper...just aim the head and they are all good...but my personal choice is the l96 when i can have it...

Bolt For My Victory....use anything else you want for your!

I'm accustomed to lining up my shot very carefully, and one shot - the pink mist.

I'm not a fan of the "fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire reload fire fire.." and so on.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You're a captain, I'd bloody hope that after 600 hours play if you begin to snipe your stats for the rifle wouldn't suck. I'm surprised your accuracy is 'only' 50% though, I would have expected it to be higher.

I came from BHD where you had to select your range on your scope.  Thus, when I first started playing BF2, I was unaware how to judge how far someone was from me.  So most times, I would aim head high no matter the difference.  Suffice to say, I didn't do all that well..Now?  Well..yea.

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

I think you've never met a decent semi auto sniper.

That may be because there aren't so many. In fact the only ones I met were in SF on an IO Map. Most ppl. prefer the bolt action and only beginners without unlocks go for the semi-autos.

Now think what is usually a distance between you and a target when you play the game and you will know which sniper rifle type is better in BF2.

True. But this totally depends on your playing stile. You can sit back and snipe from long range, then there will be no need for fast shooting.

Depends on the situation. if you are camping a building, bolt action. if you are running around being active, you want that semi-auto incase you get ran up on.

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

At range M24/L96A1 > SVD or Type 88 almost any day, in almost all hands... and closer, often. Only toe-to-toe do the semi-autos have a major edge.

I think you've never met a decent semi auto sniper.

Yep. General Breetai beat me to the comment but they must be pretty thin on the ground. I don't say you can't do well with them (plastic_budgie's, the_black_rat(ss)'s and dont_be_ss's vids show what you can do) and that's why I said "M24/L96A1 > SVD or Type 88 almost any day, in almost all hands".

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

...but at range from 150m  to 110m they are equal.

Depends on the users

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

...and at range <110m semi autos own.

Again, only in the right hands. I've defeated numerous snipers in SF armed with the SVD who got the first hit.

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

Now think what is usually a distance betwen you and a target when you play the game and you will know which sniper rifle type is better in BF2.

I play as a combat sniper and my general range is actually relatively short. Take SF for example, Warlord's my favourite map (no surprise there) and the max visibility is 100m pretty much.

The kind of distances I'm talking about in the last point are the bell tower to the roof of the building to the west (the one with a fire escape), or the width of a street. From what I can remember I don't think I'm exaggerating to say I can count on my fingers how many times I've been hit three times quickly enough to kill me without the chance to dodge, hide or return fire (not including a second player getting me). This is since I started to snipe almost exclusively, so maybe the last 300 hours across accounts.

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You're a captain, I'd bloody hope that after 600 hours play if you begin to snipe your stats for the rifle wouldn't suck. I'm surprised your accuracy is 'only' 50% though, I would have expected it to be higher.

Accuracy says nothing about who's better sniper..

It doesn't saying nothing; but viewed in isolation it is of little use when trying to gauge a sniper on the basis of their stats.

If the guy has insane accuracy but his KPM is low then it's pretty clear he's cherrypicking shots, as well as probably hanging back/camping on a rooftop being sod all use to his team That's your example player in a nutshell: geir_63's kills/time is around 19, which is way low (anything less than 30 is sub-par, good snipers have rates in excess of 40 and 50 typically).

On the other hand if the accuracy is high (upper 40s to 50s appears to be the right level for regular snipers) and the kill rate and KDR are both good it points to a superior player as a rule, since the ability to reliably hit targets ...and kill them... is key to being dominant in the role. Kill assists count, but not as much.

While we're on the subject of not looking at stats superficially, another something to look at is the total time as sniper over the time with the sniper rifle: the number this gives is some pointer to whether the KDR is 'natural' or not, although unfortunately there's then some guesswork involved due to potential vehicle use.

killer21 wrote:

I came from BHD where you had to select your range on your scope.  Thus, when I first started playing BF2, I was unaware how to judge how far someone was from me.  So most times, I would aim head high no matter the difference.  Suffice to say, I didn't do all that well..Now?  Well..yea.

Sort of similar problem here: I had habits formed from maybe 1,000 hours of UT where there's no bullet drop, not to mention many many hours in Ghost Recon, and Delta Force back in the day. I wasn't criticising your accuracy BTW, 50% is still up there, I just expected yours to be a little higher (mid-50s or so).

I prefer shooting with a Bolt Action, from a prone position out at 200 - 250 meters the most.
I uploaded my latest sheets some weeks ago Prone , Crouching , Standing.