Ah yes, "Deception"... lmao
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Are you still alive, my god how do you do it with such a ...JohnLeavitt wrote:
Thank you all for proving my point about Carbon Dating!!!! so you think organic living tissue is new material?
WRONG it is the SAME EXACT material from the beginning of the world. that is why Carbon Dating can't work, everything is made from the same old atoms, just in new formations...fucking retards... man u guys really need to hit the books a bit...
BTW carbon dating is based on a GUESS. the whole process is based on the guess how long a carbon half life is and that its decomposition stays at the same rate... but we already know that different conditions can change the decomposition rate. so carbon dating TOTALLY FAILS AT DOING ANYTHING BUT DECEIVING YOU!!! ...fools...
no im gonna be the bigger person and refrain from insults, please read your topics before making up crap about a subject you clearly no nothing about.
If everyone knows that different conditions can change the decomposition of radioactive substances then please tell me how to, Because a whole load of scientists will be pleased when you solve the problem of Radioactive waste with your decomposition speeder upper.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/carbon-14.htm
If you dont know how to use links i will repost the article.
You probably have seen or read news stories about fascinating ancient artifacts. At an archaeological dig, a piece of wooden tool is unearthed and the archaeologist finds it to be 5,000 years old. A child mummy is found high in the Andes and the archaeologist says the child lived more than 2,000 years ago. How do scientists know how old an object or human remains are? What methods do they use and how do these methods work? In this article, we will examine the methods by which scientists use radioactivity to determine the age of objects, most notably carbon-14 dating.
Carbon-14 dating is a way of determining the age of certain archeological artifacts of a biological origin up to about 50,000 years old. It is used in dating things such as bone, cloth, wood and plant fibers that were created in the relatively recent past by human activities.
How Carbon-14 is Made
Cosmic rays enter the earth's atmosphere in large numbers every day. For example, every person is hit by about half a million cosmic rays every hour. It is not uncommon for a cosmic ray to collide with an atom in the atmosphere, creating a secondary cosmic ray in the form of an energetic neutron, and for these energetic neutrons to collide with nitrogen atoms. When the neutron collides, a nitrogen-14 (seven protons, seven neutrons) atom turns into a carbon-14 atom (six protons, eight neutrons) and a hydrogen atom (one proton, zero neutrons). Carbon-14 is radioactive, with a half-life of about 5,700 years.
For more information on cosmic rays and half-life, as well as the process of radioactive decay, see How Nuclear Radiation Works.
Carbon-14 in Living Things
The carbon-14 atoms that cosmic rays create combine with oxygen to form carbon dioxide, which plants absorb naturally and incorporate into plant fibers by photosynthesis. Animals and people eat plants and take in carbon-14 as well. The ratio of normal carbon (carbon-12) to carbon-14 in the air and in all living things at any given time is nearly constant. Maybe one in a trillion carbon atoms are carbon-14. The carbon-14 atoms are always decaying, but they are being replaced by new carbon-14 atoms at a constant rate. At this moment, your body has a certain percentage of carbon-14 atoms in it, and all living plants and animals have the same percentage.
Dating a Fossil
As soon as a living organism dies, it stops taking in new carbon. The ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 at the moment of death is the same as every other living thing, but the carbon-14 decays and is not replaced. The carbon-14 decays with its half-life of 5,700 years, while the amount of carbon-12 remains constant in the sample. By looking at the ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 in the sample and comparing it to the ratio in a living organism, it is possible to determine the age of a formerly living thing fairly precisely.
A formula to calculate how old a sample is by carbon-14 dating is:
t = [ ln (Nf/No) / (-0.693) ] x t1/2
where ln is the natural logarithm, Nf/No is the percent of carbon-14 in the sample compared to the amount in living tissue, and t1/2 is the half-life of carbon-14 (5,700 years).
So, if you had a fossil that had 10 percent carbon-14 compared to a living sample, then that fossil would be:
t = [ ln (0.10) / (-0.693) ] x 5,700 years
t = [ (-2.303) / (-0.693) ] x 5,700 years
t = [ 3.323 ] x 5,700 years
t = 18,940 years old
Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old. However, the principle of carbon-14 dating applies to other isotopes as well. Potassium-40 is another radioactive element naturally found in your body and has a half-life of 1.3 billion years. Other useful radioisotopes for radioactive dating include Uranium -235 (half-life = 704 million years), Uranium -238 (half-life = 4.5 billion years), Thorium-232 (half-life = 14 billion years) and Rubidium-87 (half-life = 49 billion years).
The use of various radioisotopes allows the dating of biological and geological samples with a high degree of accuracy. However, radioisotope dating may not work so well in the future. Anything that dies after the 1940s, when Nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors and open-air nuclear tests started changing things, will be harder to date precisely.
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Have only read the first few posts, so don't know where its gone since, but, regarding the original post:
DON"T TAKE THE BIBLE SO LITERALLY! everything wasn't made in 7 days, adam and eve weren't the first 2 living beings, and noah didn't take two of every animal on his dinky ship!
It's a little thing called contextual reading. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally, it is meant to be taken in a contextual way (well most of it anyway). It is more so a guideline on how to live your life. The bible wasn't written by God. It was written by John, Luke, Matthew, and Mark and many many many others 100+ years after Jesus died.
Bugs me when people ask why Catholics (like myself) think that the Earth was made in seven days blah blah. It's a bible story, not a documentary on what actually happened.
DON"T TAKE THE BIBLE SO LITERALLY! everything wasn't made in 7 days, adam and eve weren't the first 2 living beings, and noah didn't take two of every animal on his dinky ship!
It's a little thing called contextual reading. The bible isn't meant to be taken literally, it is meant to be taken in a contextual way (well most of it anyway). It is more so a guideline on how to live your life. The bible wasn't written by God. It was written by John, Luke, Matthew, and Mark and many many many others 100+ years after Jesus died.
Bugs me when people ask why Catholics (like myself) think that the Earth was made in seven days blah blah. It's a bible story, not a documentary on what actually happened.
not to be a total smart ass BUT weren't the dinosaurs animals, like crocodiles are animalsFenris_GreyClaw wrote:
No, animals didn't come from Dinosaurs. they were separate line of evolution, like insects are separate from humans, and mice are separate from birds.Fireteam_Delta wrote:
#1: Dinosaurs were created (animals couldn't have been created, animals evovled from dinosaurs if you believe in evolution)
Yes what he should have said was, mammals are a seperate line of evolution., as are fish and anphibians, birds and reptiles are debateable though.herrr_smity wrote:
not to be a total smart ass BUT weren't the dinosaurs animals, like crocodiles are animalsFenris_GreyClaw wrote:
No, animals didn't come from Dinosaurs. they were separate line of evolution, like insects are separate from humans, and mice are separate from birds.Fireteam_Delta wrote:
#1: Dinosaurs were created (animals couldn't have been created, animals evovled from dinosaurs if you believe in evolution)
Actually in Genesis Adam and Eve are the last two living things created. And just for conversation, does anyone else find it odd that the order of creation in the bible matches up fairly well with the order in which life was supposed to have evolved?Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Yeah.
Wernt Adam and Eve like the first living things ever created?
With the exception of birds whocame later than in the bible.mcgid1 wrote:
Actually in Genesis Adam and Eve are the last two living things created. And just for conversation, does anyone else find it odd that the order of creation in the bible matches up fairly well with the order in which life was supposed to have evolved?Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Yeah.
Wernt Adam and Eve like the first living things ever created?
I can't decide if you are simply dumb or completely fanatical to the point of ignoring simple facts. Good thing you were born a christian, otherwise you probably would be strapping a bomb to yourself...JohnLeavitt wrote:
Thank you all for proving my point about Carbon Dating!!!! so you think organic living tissue is new material?
WRONG it is the SAME EXACT material from the beginning of the world. that is why Carbon Dating can't work, everything is made from the same old atoms, just in new formations...fucking retards... man u guys really need to hit the books a bit...
BTW carbon dating is based on a GUESS. the whole process is based on the guess how long a carbon half life is and that its decomposition stays at the same rate... but we already know that different conditions can change the decomposition rate. so carbon dating TOTALLY FAILS AT DOING ANYTHING BUT DECEIVING YOU!!! ...fools...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Cricket already posted a lenghty article on it but I'll make it a bit shorter...JohnLeavitt wrote:
Thank you all for proving my point about Carbon Dating!!!! so you think organic living tissue is new material?
WRONG it is the SAME EXACT material from the beginning of the world. that is why Carbon Dating can't work, everything is made from the same old atoms, just in new formations...fucking retards... man u guys really need to hit the books a bit...
BTW carbon dating is based on a GUESS. the whole process is based on the guess how long a carbon half life is and that its decomposition stays at the same rate... but we already know that different conditions can change the decomposition rate. so carbon dating TOTALLY FAILS AT DOING ANYTHING BUT DECEIVING YOU!!! ...fools...
Lifeforms are dynamic systems. They continually expell old matter and take in new matter to replace it. Which means C-14 is taken up in a certain amount and is removed from the system again, leading to a constant percentage of C-14 atoms contained within the lifeform. All lifeforms of any time have this same percentage of C-14 in them when alive. When the lifeform dies, this flow effectively stops. All C-14 will then have plenty of time to decay. Since it is not being replaced by new C-14's, this decay can effectively be used to estimate the age of organic matter.
I feel like lobotomizing you, maybe in your case it would actually be an improvement.
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yes not sure how to get it to enbed
First, you can't use HTML.
That should help some.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsbDk8OGMJE watch these to videos and then tell me you dont beleave it
theres a reason why i didnt take religion class, this is one of them
but we have fossils of dino's
tbh i dont think some one would sit there 4 like years creating fossils
basically id say religion is something that a guy came up with b4 darwin did the evolution theory
he probs thought how did we get here blah blah blah thought that god was there
however when darwin came along did all that evo crap and the big bang theory people belived that more
as what u gonna belive we have evidence of time and space and how stars and shit are created
we have no evidence of some old man clapping his hands 2gether and making the world
on another note the afterlife comes up in the bible and we do have some form of evidence from that
i.e phycics how teh fuck do they know all that shiz bout you and you have never even met them
thats my hypothesis...
tbh i dont think some one would sit there 4 like years creating fossils
basically id say religion is something that a guy came up with b4 darwin did the evolution theory
he probs thought how did we get here blah blah blah thought that god was there
however when darwin came along did all that evo crap and the big bang theory people belived that more
as what u gonna belive we have evidence of time and space and how stars and shit are created
we have no evidence of some old man clapping his hands 2gether and making the world
on another note the afterlife comes up in the bible and we do have some form of evidence from that
i.e phycics how teh fuck do they know all that shiz bout you and you have never even met them
thats my hypothesis...
Psychics are as real as santa clause. There is no real santa clause, only a bunch of guys dressing up like it. Same goes for psychics.Zero!. wrote:
but we have fossils of dino's
tbh i dont think some one would sit there 4 like years creating fossils
basically id say religion is something that a guy came up with b4 darwin did the evolution theory
he probs thought how did we get here blah blah blah thought that god was there
however when darwin came along did all that evo crap and the big bang theory people belived that more
as what u gonna belive we have evidence of time and space and how stars and shit are created
we have no evidence of some old man clapping his hands 2gether and making the world
on another note the afterlife comes up in the bible and we do have some form of evidence from that
i.e phycics how teh fuck do they know all that shiz bout you and you have never even met them
thats my hypothesis...