ozghost
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20 … 02,00.html

ONE Australian soldier is dead and another missing after a Black Hawk helicopter crashed while trying to land on HMAS Kanimbla during exercises preparing for evacuations from Fiji.

Australian Defence Force (ADF) chief Angus Houston said last night 10 soldiers were aboard the helicopter when it went down in waters off southern Fiji late yesterday afternoon.

Nine personnel were rescued and another is missing. The Australian reported the missing soldier was an elite SAS trooper.

Of the nine, one later died while being treated by medical personnel and seven were suffering from injuries described as “not of a serious nature”.

The helicopter was carrying four air crew from the 5th Aviation Regiment, based in Townsville, and six Special Air Service Regiment (SASR) officers.

Air Chief Marshal Houston could not give the exact cause of the soldier's death but indicated it was connected with being in the water too long.

He would not provide details of the dead or missing soldier.

Defence was informing next of kin of the accident.

The Kanimbla, along with HMAS Newcastle and HMAS Success, had been in the waters off Fiji in recent weeks on standby to evacuate Australians in the event of political turmoil on the island erupting into a military coup.

Air Chief Marshal Houston said the Newcastle and other equipment was being used in the search for the missing officer.

“We won't give up searching until all hope is lost,” he said.

“We still have not given up hope of finding the individual.”

Today, the Newcastle will be used to transport the injured and the dead to Noumea where they will rendezvous with an aircraft tomorrow to return them to Australia.

Air Chief Marshal Houston said the helicopter went down after hitting the deck of the Kanimbla and then going over the side into water two to three thousand metres deep.

“The accident happened as the aircraft was going to land on the deck, it went over the side,” he said.

“It went over the landing deck and sank in very deep waters.”

It was unlikely the helicopter could be recovered given the depth of the water, he said.

“In terms of the helicopter, it crashed into very deep water, two to three thousand metres deep,” he said.

“Essentially I think it's going to be very difficult to recover it.

“My thoughts are it's probably gone forever, given the depth of the water.”

Defence Minister Brendan Nelson, who flew back from Rockhampton after being informed of the accident, praised the job being done by the men and women of the ADF.

“It is certainly worth remembering why they were there in the south-west Pacific. They are there to help and support Australians... should there be turmoil in Fiji,” Dr Nelson said.

Arriving in Malaysia for a whirlwind trade visit, Prime Minister John Howard told media that he wanted to express his deepest sympathies to the families of those affected.

“I would like to say how very saddened I am about the helicopter crash,” he said.

”I extend my deepest sympathy to the family of the man who has lost his life.”

Mr Howard said that like all Australians he was praying that the missing soldier was found and that the injuries of those who were rescued were not serious and they would be able to make a full recovery.

“This is just another reminder that we are dealing with a special group of people who take risks on our behalf,” he said.

“But any kind of activity of this character carries with it risks and it is particularly sad when that risk turns into tragedy.

“We all feel a particular sense of grief because these men and women take risks in our name and on our behalf and that gets at a very special character.”

Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile offered the sympathies of all Australians to those affected by the crash.

“We pray for the safety of the missing serviceman,” he said.

Opposition Leader Kim Beazley, too, extended his sympathies to the families.

“The loss of life is tragic in these circumstances,” he said.

“We are praying for the recovery of the missing soldier.”

Air Chief Marshal Houston is confident all seven injured will make a full recovery.

“We expect all members to recover fully and return to duty,” he said.

Defence is investigating the cause of the accident but, at present, it did not appear weather was a factor.

Air Chief Marshal Houston would not speculate on the cause of the accident.

“All I know is the accident happened as the aircraft was coming to land on the deck. Something happened, it landed hard on the deck and went over the side,” he said.

The fact the helicopter sank rapidly in very deep water may create difficulties for investigators.

“One of the complications we will have is we probably won't have helicopter wreckage to establish whether there was any mechanical problems and so on,” Air Chief Marshal Houston said.

“But we will investigate everything and hopefully we will find out exactly what happened.”

Yesterday’s accident adds to a sorry list of military deaths due to helicopter crashes.

Over the past decade more ADF personnel have died in helicopter crashes than from any other cause, including fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

One of the worst accidents occurred on June 12, 1996, when two Black Hawks collided and crashed in flames during a special forces training exercise outside Townsville.

Eighteen personnel died, 15 of them members of the Special Air Service Regiment engaged in a counter-terrorist exercise.

Then on April 12, 2005 a Sea King flying from the Kanimbla crashed as it came in to land on Nias Island, Indonesia. Six navy personnel and three soldiers died.

Air Chief Marshal Houston did not have any immediate information on how the crew of the Kanimbla was coping, given the vessel had been involved in the Sea King accident last year.

“Essentially I would imagine they'd be in a state of shock because it's not pleasant when you lose two members in these circumstances and I imagine they're dealing with that as best they can,” he said.

Dr Nelson said the accident did not necessarily indicate problems with the Black Hawk.

“The Black Hawk helicopter is a well tried, tested and true aircraft platform, it's served not only our country but a number of countries extremely well,” he said.

Australian Defence Association chief Neil James also defended the Black Hawk's record.

“It's not an old helicopter, it actually has a very good operational record and a very good safety record,” he told Sky News.

”Given the number of hours it's been flown over the years it's been in service it's actually got quite a good record.

“At this stage we don't know what's caused this crash and it's pretty silly to speculate without knowing some of the facts.”
=MCHD= arush5268d
Member
+46|6774|Houston, TX
Ummmm....ok.

Are we going to start posting all the latest stories from around the world on this site?  Hell...let's just get rid of the stats and make this site all news...all the time.
ozghost
Mr piss EVERYONE off
+48|6983|Kangarooland
when was the last blackhawk accident?
InfectiousShadow
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+45|6705|Washington State, USA
jeez that SAS is probably gone now...
13rin
Member
+977|6752
Yea man, that sucks.  Sh1t happens.
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InfectiousShadow
BF2S Resident Bass Player
+45|6705|Washington State, USA
this kind of like when we lost several SEAL's in Afghanistan in a helicopter accident
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6822|Southeastern USA
don't knock the pilots, shit happens, aircraft leave little room for error, especially rotary wing, i think it's speaks volumes of the pilot's skill that more weren't dead
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6792|Adelaide, South Australia

kr@cker wrote:

don't knock the pilots, shit happens, aircraft leave little room for error, especially rotary wing, i think it's speaks volumes of the pilot's skill that more weren't dead
I'm not bagging this particular pilot, it's just that we have had more than just a few isolated accidents.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6948|Canberra, AUS
SeaKing tragedy, anyone?
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~ Richard Feynman
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6760|Melbourne

Seen this on the news today, poor buggers out at sea...

Show some heart FFS!
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Choclot
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+21|6815
Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
BVC
Member
+325|6968
The poor guy, and his family...

That more SAS have been lost in accidents than combat says something about the high quality of the SAS more than anything.

On a related topic, does anybody whose been reading about actually think there will be a confrontation in Fiji?  Personally, I think the exercise is just Cdre.Bainimarama engaging in a bit of posturing.  Besides that they've got shit equipment (ooo, a mortar...), Australia & NZ wouldn't actually want to invade Fiji as we generally get along quite well with them.

Last edited by Pubic (2006-11-30 00:05:41)

mcminty
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+879|6994|Sydney, Australia
First of all, I changed the opening post to show that Australians died, not Brits. Australia operates the SASR, not the SAS.


Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

and things like this really says something about the quality of our pilots...
The pilots of the ADF are some of the best pilots in the world. Also, compared to the forces of other nations, Australia's Defense Force helicopter incidents are below average.

Condolences to the families of the pilot who died, and the man lost at sea (presumably dead IMO).


Hopefully the recent run of helicopter incidents will come to an end when the ADF receives its new helicopters.

Mcminty.
Ratzinger
Member
+43|6665|Wollongong, NSW, Australia
Hey, where did we get these shitty Blackhawks from anyway?

I reckon we've been sold lemons. Again.

Collins class subs anyone?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6822|Southeastern USA

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
y don't you go back and re-read my "fag head" post, when i said "shit happens" it was in reference to rotor failure, turbine breakup, hydraulic pressure loss, and other events outside the influence of the flight crew and was in defense of the pilot's skill


poo-poo head



Ratzinger wrote:

Hey, where did we get these shitty Blackhawks from anyway?

I reckon we've been sold lemons. Again.

Collins class subs anyone?
was wondering how long it was going to be for someone to blame the US, oh wait, we don't maintain them for you

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-11-30 05:23:38)

usmarine2007
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+374|6640|Columbus, Ohio

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
Bitching our fag heads off?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6640|Columbus, Ohio

Ratzinger wrote:

Hey, where did we get these shitty Blackhawks from anyway?

I reckon we've been sold lemons. Again.

Collins class subs anyone?
You know that a lot of aircraft are made up of parts and sub-sections from all over the world right?
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6725|Bradford UK
Air Chief Marshal Houston could not give the exact cause of the soldier's death but indicated it was connected with being in the water too long.


DOES THAT MEAN HE DROWNED THEN!!    Poor bastards, god rest their souls.
kr@cker
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could have been hypothermia
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6725|Bradford UK

kr@cker wrote:

could have been hypothermia
good point m8, or shark attack?...i wouldnt want a great white nibbling at my love sack!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6894|London, England

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
I agree. They talk about soldiers and how it should be this and that. When really it's just about american soldiers, white american soldiers to be precise. Just be happy that Australians are white, if this happened to the Chinese or any other country they wouldn't even read the topic. It's sickening.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6640|Columbus, Ohio

Mekstizzle wrote:

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
I agree. They talk about soldiers and how it should be this and that. When really it's just about american soldiers, white american soldiers to be precise. Just be happy that Australians are white, if this happened to the Chinese or any other country they wouldn't even read the topic. It's sickening.
Erm...... no.  Some men in my company that died were black, hispanic, and asian.  Are you saying I didnt care?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6640|Columbus, Ohio

Mekstizzle wrote:

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
I agree. They talk about soldiers and how it should be this and that. When really it's just about american soldiers, white american soldiers to be precise. Just be happy that Australians are white, if this happened to the Chinese or any other country they wouldn't even read the topic. It's sickening.
Oh, and one more thing.  This forum is "based" in the USA, so deal with it or leave.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6822|Southeastern USA
yeah, where the hell did that come from?
-1 for you
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6764|Perth. Western Australia

kr@cker wrote:

Choclot wrote:

Fuck all the people who said shit happens. if a American died you would be bitching your fag heads off about how patriotic they were and how much of a good soldier they were. fuck you, i know these things happen but you can at least have some fukin respect.
y don't you go back and re-read my "fag head" post, when i said "shit happens" it was in reference to rotor failure, turbine breakup, hydraulic pressure loss, and other events outside the influence of the flight crew and was in defense of the pilot's skill


poo-poo head



Ratzinger wrote:

Hey, where did we get these shitty Blackhawks from anyway?

I reckon we've been sold lemons. Again.

Collins class subs anyone?
was wondering how long it was going to be for someone to blame the US, oh wait, we don't maintain them for you
Actually the helicopter is made by Sikorski and Boeing not the US alone, Thanks bye.

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