I proved it though, if you read the OP. And if you don't care, then why are you still here?Des.Kmal wrote:
there is no fucking way .9999999999~ = 1
dumbfucks. omfg. 1 = 1
.999999999~ = .9999999999~
but if it helps you sleep at night to think that, then by all means.........
i still see NO proof whatsoever.
then its not 1. if it were 1 we would say 1 instead of .99999999999999999999~ ffsk30dxedle wrote:
1/9 = 0.111...
2/9 = 0.222...
3/9 = 0.333...
4/9 = 0.444...
5/9 = 0.555...
6/9 = 0.666...
7/9 = 0.777...
8/9 = 0.888...
9/9 = 0.999...
And 9/9 also = 1. Therefore 0.999... = 1.
Edit: @Kmal: 0.999... is an infinitely long number. It's not a 0. followed by two nines, or five nines, or a hundred nines, or a googleplex of nines. It's infinite nines.
still no proof
i read the OP like 27 times. it does not = 1. geez.Onionpaste wrote:
I proved it though, if you read the OP. And if you don't care, then why are you still here?Des.Kmal wrote:
there is no fucking way .9999999999~ = 1
dumbfucks. omfg. 1 = 1
.999999999~ = .9999999999~
but if it helps you sleep at night to think that, then by all means.........
i still see NO proof whatsoever.
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I bet that yo haven't read the first post, right? The topic here is that .99999999~ = 1, not if same numbers are equal.Des.Kmal wrote:
there is no fucking way .9999999999~ = 1
dumbfucks. omfg. 1 = 1
.999999999~ = .9999999999~
but if it helps you sleep at night to think that, then by all means.........
i still see NO proof whatsoever.
qft, I made a little mistakeOnionpaste wrote:
And I used the ~ symbol because the "dead 8" (can't find it on my char map for the life of me) represents infinity as a number, not a quantity of something. And, ~ looks kinda sorta not really like the line you put over a decimal to show it repeats indefinitely.
true too, I didnt consider the other straight line.Bertster7 wrote:
Aren't there two lines in the almost equal to version though? Like a wavy =?
and btw kmal knows nothing in maths. Sry mate but 0,99 (infinite number of 9) = 1, this is accepted by the whole mathematicians community.
Maybe De.Kmal wants a picture of what the topic is, they are called asymptotes:
please scan me ur doctors degree. kthx.-=raska=- wrote:
true too, I didnt consider the other straight line.Bertster7 wrote:
Aren't there two lines in the almost equal to version though? Like a wavy =?
and btw kmal knows nothing in maths. Sry mate but 0,99 (infinite number of 9) = 1, this is accepted by the whole mathematicians community.
oh wait, no degree? then u have as much say as i do.
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This is serious talk, dude. Go flame somewhere else.Des.Kmal wrote:
please scan me ur doctors degree. kthx.-=raska=- wrote:
true too, I didnt consider the other straight line.Bertster7 wrote:
Aren't there two lines in the almost equal to version though? Like a wavy =?
and btw kmal knows nothing in maths. Sry mate but 0,99 (infinite number of 9) = 1, this is accepted by the whole mathematicians community.
oh wait, no degree? then u have as much say as i do.
Yes, but also no degree in dumbness . Clear old MPP in action .Des.Kmal wrote:
please scan me ur doctors degree. kthx.-=raska=- wrote:
true too, I didnt consider the other straight line.Bertster7 wrote:
Aren't there two lines in the almost equal to version though? Like a wavy =?
and btw kmal knows nothing in maths. Sry mate but 0,99 (infinite number of 9) = 1, this is accepted by the whole mathematicians community.
oh wait, no degree? then u have as much say as i do.
im not flaming, this by alllllllllllllll things i have ever seen doesnt make mathmatical sense. this is like saying 7=8. it doesnt does it? neither does .999999999999~ = 1Onionpaste wrote:
This is serious talk, dude. Go flame somewhere else.Des.Kmal wrote:
please scan me ur doctors degree. kthx.-=raska=- wrote:
true too, I didnt consider the other straight line.
and btw kmal knows nothing in maths. Sry mate but 0,99 (infinite number of 9) = 1, this is accepted by the whole mathematicians community.
oh wait, no degree? then u have as much say as i do.
each number is its own number, one number cannot be 2 numbers.
i saw the OP it wasnt proof, it was BS that was twisted and turned to make sense, anyone can turn an abstract idea into "fact" if they make their own rules as they go.
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@Kmal, again:
1.
...2/2. 3/3. 4/4. 5/5. 6/6. 1.0. 1.00. 1.000. 1.0000. 0+1. 1+0. 2-1. 3-2. 4-3.
I don't see any proof of your logic either. In fact the only thing I see with your "logic" is you stating that 0.9999999 is not 1 and calling us dumbfucks.
1.
...2/2. 3/3. 4/4. 5/5. 6/6. 1.0. 1.00. 1.000. 1.0000. 0+1. 1+0. 2-1. 3-2. 4-3.
So 2/2 is not 1?Des.Kmal wrote:
then its not 1. if it were 1 we would say 1 instead of .99999999999999999999~ ffs
I don't see any proof of your logic either. In fact the only thing I see with your "logic" is you stating that 0.9999999 is not 1 and calling us dumbfucks.
I think you just broke my brain
2/2 = 1k30dxedle wrote:
So 2/2 is not 1?
I don't see any proof of your logic either. In fact the only thing I see with your "logic" is you stating that 0.9999999 is not 1 and calling us dumbfucks.
as 0,99... = 1
its 2 different symbols meaning one number.
In a case, you will end with the first one, in other cases, with the second one.
again : 1/3 = 0.33
1/3 x 3 = 1
0.333... x 3 = 0.9999 = 1
If there was a symbol for 0,33333333... for example J. You would go here and say "J equals not 0,3333333..."?
bold: log‧ic /ˈlɒdʒɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[loj-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA PronunciationOnionpaste wrote:
variable
logic
you get 9.00000~ 9x = 9
Divide each side by 9, and you get [i]x = 1.[/i]
–noun
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
Inference, still not fact. Logic by all means, is like an opinion, until it is a hard fact then it is nothing but an abstract idea.
Underline. Since infinity is not a number, but rather something the human mind cannot comprehend, )can you count to infinity?) then is it really something to debate FOR if you cannot explain it?
Italics: Well fucking duh, 9/9 = 10
anything, twisted and turned to get that would = 1. Thats basic math. 8/8 =1. So, by all means, show me more, since I am going to guess that 1.99~ = 2?
Hmmm....? Makes you wonder.
Although, any number is a number, ONE number, not more than one number.
Here is a correct statement: The EQUATION .999999999~ = 1 is correct. But not the actual number, the statement of equation is though.
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hmm, no replies after 8 minutes. im going to play bf2. gg
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no replies because you dont want to understand anything...
you will reply that we have to understand something and not you. ok try to understand all the proofs on this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.99 and come back.
oh yeah and write to an institute of mathematics and tell your theory, lets see how they will answer.
you will reply that we have to understand something and not you. ok try to understand all the proofs on this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.99 and come back.
oh yeah and write to an institute of mathematics and tell your theory, lets see how they will answer.
in the line 10x-x=9 if we plug in x here. we get 10(0.9999...)-0.99999 ending up of course with 9. Thus, it all depends on where you decide to end the proof. IMO, the proof is finished there.
It is much easier to say the limit of 0.9999 repeating is equal to 1 That is correct, that is why we use limits. It allows us to say something is equal to something when it really isn't. This question goes back, Newton even knew about this although he didn't use limits. He explained it saying that there are these infinisemals (don't remember how to spell it) that are so small we cannot concieve that they exsist but they do.
.999999999999999 doesn't not equal 1 an easy way to prove this is relativity you cannot travel faster than the speed of light which is C or 1. You can get infinitily close but you're never going the speed of light. Although to a personing viewing viewing you from the outside it might seem like you're going the speed of light.
It's very interesting actually.
It is much easier to say the limit of 0.9999 repeating is equal to 1 That is correct, that is why we use limits. It allows us to say something is equal to something when it really isn't. This question goes back, Newton even knew about this although he didn't use limits. He explained it saying that there are these infinisemals (don't remember how to spell it) that are so small we cannot concieve that they exsist but they do.
.999999999999999 doesn't not equal 1 an easy way to prove this is relativity you cannot travel faster than the speed of light which is C or 1. You can get infinitily close but you're never going the speed of light. Although to a personing viewing viewing you from the outside it might seem like you're going the speed of light.
It's very interesting actually.
Don't know if anyone has figured that one out, but it's messed up because at one point your multiplying by 0.Gen. Payne wrote:
I remember there was something out there that could prove 1=2. I gotta try to find that.
Found it (it is, in fact, false; try to find the error, you may get karma)
a = b
ab = b²
- (ab) = - (b²)
a²-ab = a² - b²
a(a-b) = (a+b) (a-b)
a = a+b
a = 2a
1 = 2
As for the .9999' argument I call it void, while a load of complicated equations can be worked around it to make it equal 1 in truth it isn't and can't be, common sense is greater than maths on this one.
2 distinct values can not be equal, when you see a product advertised for £9.99 does that make it £10 really? No, while it is close, it is not £10. So while .999' is close to 1 it does not actually equal it.
Towelly, two people have already said that. Someone else and I.
Samething actually happens with the 0.999999... = 1 as I explained in my previous post.
Samething actually happens with the 0.999999... = 1 as I explained in my previous post.
we are not talking about ,999, we are talking about ,999999999999999 with INFINITY of 9, not just "a lot".
infinity of 9 means that the little 0,0000...1 = 0 as
lim 0,0000000...1 = 0
n -> infinity |n times|
edit :
infinity of 9 means that the little 0,0000...1 = 0 as
lim 0,0000000...1 = 0
n -> infinity |n times|
edit :
this tells well how kmal feels actually.The equality has long been taught in textbooks, and in the last few decades, researchers of mathematics education have studied the reception of this equation among students, who often reject the equality. The students' reasoning is typically based on one of a few common erroneous intuitions about the real numbers; for example, a belief that each unique decimal expansion must correspond to a unique number, an expectation that infinitesimal quantities should exist, that arithmetic may be broken, an inability to understand limits (kmal) or simply the belief that 0.999… should have a last 9. These ideas are false with respect to the real numbers, which can be proven by explicitly constructing the reals from the rational numbers, and such constructions can also prove that 0.999… = 1 directly. At the same time, some of the intuitive phenomena can occur in other number systems. There is even a system in which an object that can reasonably be called "0.999…" is strictly less than 1.
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wtf! 10x - x = 9xmooncricket wrote:
You cannot subtract an x from 10x. you can only divide it out. Basic algebra.Onionpaste wrote:
Dunno if this has already been covered, if so, sorry for the spam, not intended.
So:
Let's call .99999~ (that's a decimal followed by an infinite number of 9's) a variable x.
So that means that x = .9999~
So by that logic, 10x = 9.9999~
If you subtract x from 10x, you get 9.00000~, as in the equation 10x - x = 9.00000~
This means 9.0000~, or just 9 (I put the 0's there to show that all the 9's after decimal went away), equals 9x.
9x = 9
Divide each side by 9, and you get x = 1.
That means that x is equal to .99999~ and 1 at the same time. Therefore, .99999~ = 1!
If any math majors have found some sort of error in this reasoning, do not hesitate to reply so I can debate it with you
-Onion
what are you talking about ?
you can substract two terms if they are similar, and its the case because they have the same variable (and other properties that I dont remember the names)
9x is not equal to nine. 9x=8.999999~ . you said yourself x=.9999999~Onionpaste wrote:
Dunno if this has already been covered, if so, sorry for the spam, not intended.
So:
Let's call .99999~ (that's a decimal followed by an infinite number of 9's) a variable x.
So that means that x = .9999~
So by that logic, 10x = 9.9999~
If you subtract x from 10x, you get 9.00000~, as in the equation 10x - x = 9.00000~
This means 9.0000~, or just 9 (I put the 0's there to show that all the 9's after decimal went away), equals 9x.
9x = 9
Divide each side by 9, and you get x = 1.
That means that x is equal to .99999~ and 1 at the same time. Therefore, .99999~ = 1!
If any math majors have found some sort of error in this reasoning, do not hesitate to reply so I can debate it with you
-Onion
9 x .9999999999999 =/= 9
9 x .9999999999999 = 8.9999999999...............
therefore
x = .999999999999999
9x = 9
is incorrect even if 10x - x = 9 because you are dealing with an infinite decimal
9 x .9999999999999 = 8.9999999999...............
therefore
x = .999999999999999
9x = 9
is incorrect even if 10x - x = 9 because you are dealing with an infinite decimal
follow this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.99#Algebraic_proof
well if you are going to round .999999999~ is already equal to 1 according to your logic so why bother.