http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6184948.stm
This is an interesting one, what do you all think?
This is an interesting one, what do you all think?
Quite and uterly fucking ridiculus, thank god we arent stupid enough to arm our police here.
The most that should have happened is they were pulled over for most likely drink driving. The police shouldnt have even let them drive if they saw them coming out of a club.
The most that should have happened is they were pulled over for most likely drink driving. The police shouldnt have even let them drive if they saw them coming out of a club.
People make mistakes, and people die from those mistakes. I don't think that the officers actions are entirely out of line. Perhaps excessive, but not uncalled for. An officer was hit (even though it was just his shin), as was an UC car. If the threat of a gun was present, it is entirely within the relm of possibility to open fire on the car. But I won't say that 50 shots wasn't excessive. The situtation could have been handled better.
incredibly sad.
Police seem to have farked up big time here; it looks as if the police are being to 'judgemental' and assuming anyone that come out of that club was carrying weapons and blatently abusing their powers.
Police seem to have farked up big time here; it looks as if the police are being to 'judgemental' and assuming anyone that come out of that club was carrying weapons and blatently abusing their powers.
Sharpton has been all over it.
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Threat of a gun????BigmacK wrote:
People make mistakes, and people die from those mistakes. I don't think that the officers actions are entirely out of line. Perhaps excessive, but not uncalled for. An officer was hit (even though it was just his shin), as was an UC car. If the threat of a gun was present, it is entirely within the relm of possibility to open fire on the car. But I won't say that 50 shots wasn't excessive. The situtation could have been handled better.
A few drunks come out of a club, get into a car, accidentally tap a undercover cop and hit an undercover car and all of a sudden it's "oh shit! they've got a gun"??????
Do not fire, unless fired upon.
thats all i would like to add.
thats all i would like to add.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
People make mistakes huh? Ooops I shot you 11 times... sorry my bad. Never happen again I swear! Oh, and your friend's dead. Have a nice day.BigmacK wrote:
People make mistakes, and people die from those mistakes. I don't think that the officers actions are entirely out of line. Perhaps excessive, but not uncalled for. An officer was hit (even though it was just his shin), as was an UC car. If the threat of a gun was present, it is entirely within the relm of possibility to open fire on the car. But I won't say that 50 shots wasn't excessive. The situtation could have been handled better.
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There was no mistakes made with a police officer unloading 2 clips.
In the future this will only get worse so get used to it.
In the future this will only get worse so get used to it.
Last edited by splixx (2006-11-26 18:28:04)
While this article shows the negative side of armed law enforcement, I hope you realize that our police have to be armed here. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more cops killed in the line of duty. The U.K. is a very different place from America. Consider yourself lucky to live in a usually less violent country (Northern Ireland excluded).Vilham wrote:
Quite and uterly fucking ridiculus, thank god we arent stupid enough to arm our police here.
The most that should have happened is they were pulled over for most likely drink driving. The police shouldnt have even let them drive if they saw them coming out of a club.
Ofcourse, but it seems to me like what happened in the London shooting the police are shot first ask questions later, they seem to forget they are here to serve not kill.Turquoise wrote:
While this article shows the negative side of armed law enforcement, I hope you realize that our police have to be armed here. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more cops killed in the line of duty. The U.K. is a very different place from America. Consider yourself lucky to live in a usually less violent country (Northern Ireland excluded).Vilham wrote:
Quite and uterly fucking ridiculus, thank god we arent stupid enough to arm our police here.
The most that should have happened is they were pulled over for most likely drink driving. The police shouldnt have even let them drive if they saw them coming out of a club.
So what happens to the cop if the 1st shot hes waiting for hits him in the head?R3v4n wrote:
Do not fire, unless fired upon.
thats all i would like to add.
Seriously, Cops are humans too, they have the right to protect themselves & unfortunately some times they fuck up under stress.
Are the cops the assholes for trying to protect themselves?
TeamZephyr wrote:
Threat of a gun????BigmacK wrote:
People make mistakes, and people die from those mistakes. I don't think that the officers actions are entirely out of line. Perhaps excessive, but not uncalled for. An officer was hit (even though it was just his shin), as was an UC car. If the threat of a gun was present, it is entirely within the relm of possibility to open fire on the car. But I won't say that 50 shots wasn't excessive. The situtation could have been handled better.
A few drunks come out of a club, get into a car, accidentally tap a undercover cop and hit an undercover car and all of a sudden it's "oh shit! they've got a gun"??????
That's not reason enough to be cautious about one of those men carrying a weapon?Article you provided wrote:
The club was under surveillance because of its long history of weapons complaints, drug-dealing and prostitution, New York's Police Chief Raymond Kelly said.
Your sarcasm is dually noted.oug wrote:
People make mistakes huh? Ooops I shot you 11 times... sorry my bad. Never happen again I swear! Oh, and your friend's dead. Have a nice day.
I'll agree that the London thing was crazy, but I also hear the guy was running from the cops.Vilham wrote:
Ofcourse, but it seems to me like what happened in the London shooting the police are shot first ask questions later, they seem to forget they are here to serve not kill.Turquoise wrote:
While this article shows the negative side of armed law enforcement, I hope you realize that our police have to be armed here. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more cops killed in the line of duty. The U.K. is a very different place from America. Consider yourself lucky to live in a usually less violent country (Northern Ireland excluded).Vilham wrote:
Quite and uterly fucking ridiculus, thank god we arent stupid enough to arm our police here.
The most that should have happened is they were pulled over for most likely drink driving. The police shouldnt have even let them drive if they saw them coming out of a club.
Yeah but he didnt know they were cops. They showed no form of ID and werent dressed as cops, they just shouted for him to get down and that they were "police".Turquoise wrote:
I'll agree that the London thing was crazy, but I also hear the guy was running from the cops.Vilham wrote:
Ofcourse, but it seems to me like what happened in the London shooting the police are shot first ask questions later, they seem to forget they are here to serve not kill.Turquoise wrote:
While this article shows the negative side of armed law enforcement, I hope you realize that our police have to be armed here. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more cops killed in the line of duty. The U.K. is a very different place from America. Consider yourself lucky to live in a usually less violent country (Northern Ireland excluded).
BigmacK, they had absolutely no reason to shoot. NONE, end of. You can't claim those guys who they would have just seen coming out of the club, most likely drunk were a threat. They should have been stopped before they got in their car anyway.
Copper starts chasing me and i'll run too. I havent been in trouble with the cops for 10 yrs but seriously, someone with a gun starts pointing at u and chasing ya, ya gunna run.Turquoise wrote:
I'll agree that the London thing was crazy, but I also hear the guy was running from the cops.
Well, here's the thing. If I remember correctly, this incident occurred only a few days after the London bombings. So, I think the cops were understandably pretty jumpy after that. I believe he was running into a packed train car and was wearing a bulky coat on a warm day. It looked pretty suspicious, I'd imagine.Vilham wrote:
Yeah but he didnt know they were cops. They showed no form of ID and werent dressed as cops, they just shouted for him to get down and that they were "police".Turquoise wrote:
I'll agree that the London thing was crazy, but I also hear the guy was running from the cops.Vilham wrote:
Ofcourse, but it seems to me like what happened in the London shooting the police are shot first ask questions later, they seem to forget they are here to serve not kill.
Last edited by Turquoise (2006-11-26 19:11:37)
No dingbat, Its called assault with a deadly weapon. Period. A car is such a weapon. But the amount of shots is excessive, But a few would have been within there right of defense.TeamZephyr wrote:
Threat of a gun????BigmacK wrote:
People make mistakes, and people die from those mistakes. I don't think that the officers actions are entirely out of line. Perhaps excessive, but not uncalled for. An officer was hit (even though it was just his shin), as was an UC car. If the threat of a gun was present, it is entirely within the relm of possibility to open fire on the car. But I won't say that 50 shots wasn't excessive. The situtation could have been handled better.
A few drunks come out of a club, get into a car, accidentally tap a undercover cop and hit an undercover car and all of a sudden it's "oh shit! they've got a gun"??????
A trigger happy power hungry copper with a gun is a lot more of a deadly weapon then a wedding party going out for drinks champ.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
No dingbat, Its called assault with a deadly weapon. Period. A car is such a weapon. But the amount of shots is excessive, But a few would have been within there right of defense.
Noted twice, or by two different people?BigmacK wrote:
Your sarcasm is dually noted.
Hey, look's like that minority report scenario someone mentioned has actually happened...
Ill say it again, But slower, If they hit a cop with a CAR its assault with a deadly weapon the cops have a right to defend themselves. Was that clearer enough? Champ?ozghost wrote:
A trigger happy power hungry copper with a gun is a lot more of a deadly weapon then a wedding party going out for drinks champ.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
No dingbat, Its called assault with a deadly weapon. Period. A car is such a weapon. But the amount of shots is excessive, But a few would have been within there right of defense.
Ill stress again, 50 shots is a bit excessive, If they did use excessive force, then they should be tried and convicted.
Sounds like the looting of a new plasma TV is in order. To ummmmmmmmmmm, send a message!!...yeah! thats it, send a message!!
Last edited by lowing (2006-11-27 04:06:02)
Copper is shooting at you and your in the car, if you stay there your dead, try and get out of the way and hit a cop your dead and its your fault....kk get ya now,<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Ill say it again, But slower, If they hit a cop with a CAR its assault with a deadly weapon the cops have a right to defend themselves. Was that clearer enough? Champ?
Ill stress again, 50 shots is a bit excessive, If they did use excessive force, then they should be tried and convicted.
c u at the next pro abortion rally....
QFTAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
Kinda hard to fire back when you are dead.R3v4n wrote:
Do not fire, unless fired upon.
thats all i would like to add.
Last edited by ozghost (2006-11-27 04:19:58)
Kinda hard to fire back when you are dead.R3v4n wrote:
Do not fire, unless fired upon.
thats all i would like to add.