Poll

Will a withdrawl result in more terrorist acts on Western nations?

Yes30%30% - 27
No33%33% - 30
It will happen no matter what36%36% - 33
Total: 90
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

There is a debate regarding one of the reasons we are engaged in Iraq. One of the goals has been stated to fight terrorism in their area of the world. Having said that please answer with your opinion.

Do you think if there is a troop withdrawal in Iraq terrorist activities will follow the soldiers to Western soil?

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-26 14:29:26)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
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+5,233|6802|Global Command
Yes, for sure.
Phantom2828
Member
+51|6801|Land of the free
Yes obviously.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is in denial.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7024|Chicago.
I think that it's fair to say that a withdrawl now would show a weakness in America that would practically call each and every terrorist out of hiding to attack the red, white, and blue.
Sentinel
Cheeseburger Connoisseur
+145|6931|Australia

BigmacK wrote:

I think that it's fair to say that a withdrawl now would show a weakness in America that would practically call each and every terrorist out of hiding to attack the red, white, and blue.
agreed. totally.

a withdrawal would be considered a major victory against the west, and they would go even harder.
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6726|Ontario, Canada
Doesnt matter, States pissed off terrorists, its to late, your doomed.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7024|Chicago.

d4rkst4r wrote:

Doesnt matter, States pissed off terrorists, its to late, your doomed.
We will survive.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6926

Kmarion wrote:

Do you think if there is a troop withdrawal in Iraq terrorist activities will follow the soldiers to Western soil?
Yes.

All those drunk marines, lamenting their defeat and leaving with their tails between their legs, only to come home to a country full of people who didn't even want them out there?  Bound to terrorise somebody IMO.  Probably whoever else is at the bar.

But seriously, depends on the actions of the government in tackling real issues like the environment and reducing oil consumption.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6963|Tampa Bay Florida
It will happen, regardless of what we do in Iraq.  Terrorism has no boundaries.  Terrorists are CHOOSING to go into Iraq, they weren't there until after we invaded. 

Terrorism is meant to terrify civilians..... attacking Americab soldiers in Iraq isn't fulfilling that purpose.  So people who say flat out "Yes" are pretty much saying that there will never be another terrorist attack as long as we are in Iraq?  THAT is political manipulation..  It will happen regardless.
RyansRangers
Member
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As long as we enjoy being the worlds only superpower, people will resent us. We can leave now or in 10 years, doesnt matter the ideas of terrorism are here to stay. And that is unfortunate but reality.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6678|North Carolina
I voted "no" under the understanding that the question is stating a comparison.  In other words, I don't think withdrawal will increase the number of attacks on us more so than continual involvement.  I believe we will continue to be under the threat of attack, but going to war continuously does not make us any safer.

The focus should be on border security, better airport security, stricter immigration, and more balanced foreign policy.  If we continue acting as a threatening aggressor, we will only make more enemies.  We must return to "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Lately, we've been doing "Shoot first, ask questions later..."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

I voted "no" under the understanding that the question is stating a comparison.  In other words, I don't think withdrawal will increase the number of attacks on us more so than continual involvement.  I believe we will continue to be under the threat of attack, but going to war continuously does not make us any safer.

The focus should be on border security, better airport security, stricter immigration, and more balanced foreign policy.  If we continue acting as a threatening aggressor, we will only make more enemies.  We must return to "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Lately, we've been doing "Shoot first, ask questions later..."
I just want to ty for explaining your "no". You are the first to at least attempt to disprove the theory. There have been nine no votes cast and you are the first to engage the other side.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-26 15:23:50)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6678|North Carolina
Thanks, Kmarion.  I think we can agree that terrorists will remain a threat to us no matter which choice we make, but I just find it hard to believe that things like the invasion of Iraq have improved our situation.  I would actually argue the opposite.

I think Iraq has, more than anything, put our economy in danger.  We may see economic growth through higher military spending (and thus, more jobs), but we've gone so far into debt that our currency value is threatened severely.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7024|Chicago.
Debt comes and goes, just as taxes will go up and down. It's part of our system.

Just want to say that, and also that I'm glad that you didn't bring in oil as a reason for worry, Turquoise.

Last edited by BigmacK (2006-11-26 17:46:24)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7039|UK

Turquoise wrote:

I voted "no" under the understanding that the question is stating a comparison.  In other words, I don't think withdrawal will increase the number of attacks on us more so than continual involvement.  I believe we will continue to be under the threat of attack, but going to war continuously does not make us any safer.

The focus should be on border security, better airport security, stricter immigration, and more balanced foreign policy.  If we continue acting as a threatening aggressor, we will only make more enemies.  We must return to "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Lately, we've been doing "Shoot first, ask questions later..."
I agree, it won't cause an increase but it is also unlikely to cause a decrease.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6948|Canberra, AUS
Possibly. If we withdraw now there's a good chance that Iraq will turn into Somalia (this is no strained comparison, the situations are alarmingly similar).

And Somalia is turning into an al-Qaeda training camp.

Not good.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6678|North Carolina

BigmacK wrote:

Debt comes and goes, just as taxes will go up and down. It's part of our system.

Just want to say that, and also that I'm glad that you didn't bring in oil as a reason for worry, Turquoise.
Well, that may be true, but the difference is that even Reagan wasn't spending as much on the arms race as Bush has on Iraq.  Reagan brought us to new levels of debt, but Bush has pushed us even further.  The War with Iraq has cost us $379 billion so far, at approximately $6 billion a month.  That's pretty amazing in terms of debt.

Both the Republicans and Democrats must come to some agreement to either withdraw or cut spending a shitload in all non-military items.  Obviously, neither party wants to raise taxes, and even if the Democrats repeal several of the Bush tax cuts, the revenue gained won't cover Iraq's expenses.

We must also balance the budget as soon as possible, because our trade deficit is at an all time high.  It's growing even faster than our national debt.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

lol..priceless

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Fen321
Member
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Voting no on the question simply because the removal of the troops from that region does not guarantee an increase on attacks on our soil.

They may hate us for our foreign policies, but one must understand that those policies effect them in their region, consequently their animosity will be channeled towards us, so until we can function in that region without being so one sided on issues we will never be better off.

So once again pulling out of the region will not increase the threat of attacks on our soil...keeping up our biased view towards key issues in the region yes that will bring us problems.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6768

BigmacK wrote:

Debt comes and goes, just as taxes will go up and down. It's part of our system.

Just want to say that, and also that I'm glad that you didn't bring in oil as a reason for worry, Turquoise.
With the american government? Debt just comes. We haven't had a trade surplus in ages. And don't confuse budget surplus with trade surplus.
BVC
Member
+325|6968
Null vote, anything could happen.
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7102
At the moment if some Iraqi suicide bomber wants to blow up some infidels he can do it in the comfort of his own town. If he wants to blow up some infidels in their own country, they'll have to get an expensive airline ticket and visa / fake passport, fly half way round the world, get past boarder controls, find some way to arm themselves, then successfully carry out their bombing.

Which sounds easier?

The only reason there isn't much in the way of attacks on western countries is because there's a plentyful supply of westerners for them to blow up on their doorstep.

Yes there will be an increase in attacks on western nations but there will be a reduction in attacks on western people.
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6975|New York

d4rkst4r wrote:

Doesnt matter, States pissed off terrorists, its to late, your doomed.
Well than do me a big favor, Make sure they stay up there then will ya? Thanks a bunch.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6718|The Land of Scott Walker

Spearhead wrote:

It will happen, regardless of what we do in Iraq.  Terrorism has no boundaries.  Terrorists are CHOOSING to go into Iraq, they weren't there until after we invaded. 

Terrorism is meant to terrify civilians..... attacking Americab soldiers in Iraq isn't fulfilling that purpose.  So people who say flat out "Yes" are pretty much saying that there will never be another terrorist attack as long as we are in Iraq?  THAT is political manipulation..  It will happen regardless.
I voted yes and I'm not saying there will never be another attack simply because we're in Iraq.  I am saying that terrorists will have more freedom to organize and coordinate attacks.  And there hasn't been another terrorist attack on the US since we went into Iraq.  Coincidence?  You decide.
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6821|USA bitches!
It will happen no matter what, I think. I think we're lucky they haven't tried in the last 5 years, but that may be part of their plan, you never know.

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