BF2S Forums Top 5 American Presidents

1.fdr
2.george Washinton
3.jfk
4.honest Abe
5.thomas Jefferson

Bill Pullman...  lol...  Good call... 

this is actually a pretty complicated question.   for instance, why would JFK be up on the list since he only had 1000 days in office.  also,  LBJ did great things for the civil rights movement but he is considered the guy that really open the flood gates with our involvement in vietnam.  If lincoln didnt have a civil war to deal with, he would  be just as historically obscure as the majority of presidents before him.


some could argue that FDR was the best given the fact that the American people elected him 4 times

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-11-26 13:44:21)

Turquoise wrote:

Who would you say have been the 5 best presidents that America has had?

These are mine....

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. George Washington
4. Harry Truman
5. Dwight D. Eisenhower

How do you not have Abe in there?

1. George Washington
2. Franklin Roosevelt
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Abe Lincoln
5. Woodrow Wilson

Turquoise wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Who would you say have been the 5 best presidents that America has had?

These are mine....

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. George Washington
4. Harry Truman
5. Dwight D. Eisenhower

How do you not have Abe in there?

Well, I'm a Southerner, so I didn't care for him.    Plus, he's not as "honest" as most history classes would have you believe.  I think Lincoln was an opportunistic bastard more concerned with the interests of Northern Industrialists than that of the slaves.  Slavery was certainly not the reason behind the war.

I think Lincoln would have been far nobler had he recognized the independence of the South and the fact that committing to war would (and ultimately did) kill hundreds of thousands of lives needlessly.

How retarded are you!?!? the Cause of the war WAS TO KEEP THE UNION together. Your welcome to have your little crazy ass slave owning, racist peice of shit society. But frankly i beleive just about everyone would disagree with you!

Naughty_Om wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

How do you not have Abe in there?

Well, I'm a Southerner, so I didn't care for him.    Plus, he's not as "honest" as most history classes would have you believe.  I think Lincoln was an opportunistic bastard more concerned with the interests of Northern Industrialists than that of the slaves.  Slavery was certainly not the reason behind the war.

I think Lincoln would have been far nobler had he recognized the independence of the South and the fact that committing to war would (and ultimately did) kill hundreds of thousands of lives needlessly.

How retarded are you!?!? the Cause of the war WAS TO KEEP THE UNION together. Your welcome to have your little crazy ass slave owning, racist peice of shit society. But frankly i beleive just about everyone would disagree with you!

you were around in Lincolns day to not like him? Southern independence? BS. the south would've fallen apart if there was a northern/british boycott on southern textiles. Believe it or not, the south was almost entirely dependent on outsiders for their livelihood.
     Lincoln wasn't interested in the interests of the slaves? He freed them, dumbass? Last i checked, few, if any, slaves wanted to remain slaves. Prove to me how slavery wasnt, or cant be connected, to being one of the major reasons behind the Civil War.

Naughty_Om wrote:

How retarded are you!?!? the Cause of the war WAS TO KEEP THE UNION together. Your welcome to have your little crazy ass slave owning, racist peice of shit society. But frankly i beleive just about everyone would disagree with you!

I knew this was going to happen...  How familiar with American history are you?

Before the Civil War occurred, there was a building conflict between the Southern Democrats and the Radical Republicans of the North (historians call them Radical, by the way, so it's not a personal label I'm applying).  Northern interests were mostly that of industry, and Southern interests were that of raw materials (like cotton).  There were trade issues involving the cost of finished goods being produced by the North that were too expensive for most Southerners to afford.  So, understandably, many Southerners didn't like an arrangement where goods being made with their own raw materials were too costly for them to acquire.  This was only the tip of the iceberg.  There was an ongoing conflict concerning which new states to the West would become slave states and which would outlaw slavery.

Slavery was merely a political scapegoat that Lincoln brought up near the end of the war.  Holding the union together was more about punishing secessionists than keeping a national identity together -- as demonstrated by Sherman's burning down of Atlanta.

R0lyP0ly wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this is actually a pretty complicated question.   for instance, why would JFK be up on the list since he only had 1000 days in office.  also,  LBJ did great things for the civil rights movement but he is considered the guy that really open the flood gates with our involvement in vietnam.  If lincoln didnt have a civil war to deal with, he would  be just as historically obscure as the majority of presidents before him.


some could argue that FDR was the best given the fact that the American people elected him 4 times

your "without xxxx, xxxx would've been obscure" arguments are nil, since if you remove every major election/event from a Presidents term, no shit he would've been obscure.

asshole?

Turquoise wrote:

R0lyP0ly wrote:

you were around in Lincolns day to not like him? Southern independence? BS. the south would've fallen apart if there was a northern/british boycott on southern textiles. Believe it or not, the south was almost entirely dependent on outsiders for their livelihood.
     Lincoln wasn't interested in the interests of the slaves? He freed them, dumbass? Last i checked, few, if any, slaves wanted to remain slaves. Prove to me how slavery wasnt, or cant be connected, to being one of the major reasons behind the Civil War.

Did you know that Britain offered to side with the South, if they had agreed to end slavery?  Of course, being the backbone of their economy, they couldn't go along with that.

So, you think Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation had no political motivation to it, do you?

How do you explain the subsequent repercussions of Reconstruction?  Essentially, the North put blacks into positions of power in the South, only to see the same people killed or harassed by Southerners.  The North really didn't care about the interests of blacks any more than the South did.  There was plenty of racism in the North, but it wasn't usually as blatant as slavery.

The point I'm making here is that neither side was really as virtuous as people would have you believe.  If you educate yourself in American history beyond the politically correct drivel most schools espouse, you'll see that it's about economics, not civil rights.

1) I've heard it once before, including now.
2)Never said that. Little things are accomplished in any Presidents administration without political motivation
3)Racism in North -agreed. THe north was more concerned with the moral convictions associated with the institution of slavery rather than the slaves themselves. i.e. Motivating factos behind Liberia
4)blah blah about virtue- agreed.
5)Its all about the benjamins, baby.

It seems we're more or less in agreement. Argument oveR?

Close contest, but the winners are......

1. Andrew Johnson
2. William H Taft
3. Calvin Coolidge
4. Millard Fillmore
5. George W Bush

1. FDR
2. JFK
3. Lincoln
4. Bush Sr.
5. Clinton