BF2S Forums Tomorrow is Thanksgiven in the states.. What are you giving thanks to?

I am thankful for WilhelmSissener.

Even tho we dont celebrate thanksgiving here in Sweden, I would still like to thank the USA for making the world a better place, preserving freedom, spreading democracy and kicking terrorist ass! Thank you USA!

kr@cker wrote:

i am not thankful that i can't block marly's sig

Just half the sig these last couple of days.  I can live with the left, he can keep the right!

I think it was Americo Vespucci (sp?) who gets the credit for the discovery.
I give thanks that my family immigrated here (legally, thank you very much) and have been able to prosper in this great land. I also give thanks for my penis which I will be using tonight with a milf I recently hooked up with. God I love America!!

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-11-22 13:40:31)

rawls2 wrote:

I think it was Americo Vespucci (sp?) who gets the credit for the discovery.

The Italian writer. Close, thats who America was named after. He arrived in 1897.

The Native Americans because if they put up a better fight America would not have gotten off the ground.

rawls2 wrote:

I think it was Americo Vespucci (sp?) who gets the credit for the discovery.
I give thanks that my family immigrated here (legally, thank you very much) and have been able to prosper in this great land. I also give thanks for my penis which I will be using tonight with a milf I recently hooked up with. God I love America!!

deeznutz1245 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

I think it was Americo Vespucci (sp?) who gets the credit for the discovery.

The Italian writer. Close, thats who America was named after. He arrived in 1897.

Oh well. I stand corrected. Anyways, I give thanks to bf2s for making the work day a bit more interesting.

Ok.. I don't post often around here and really enjoy reading alot of the posts.. but this thread has taken a turn that is disturbing to me.  For one..go read your history.  And not just the history given out to the school kids to discuss and learn.  Go and do some research on the Native Americans and what they had to endure.  Go read about the massacres that occured on that first thanksgiving.  Don't step up in here and start spouting your crap when you are misinformed.

IndianScout made a point some time back in this thread

BFROE|IndianScout wrote:

while it's your right to agree with who you want, American history is very white washed and very incorrect..

a perfect example...

think about this the next thanksgiving when you sit down to eat..

In 1637 in Connecticut: Just before dawn, colonial militia men attacked, surrounding the Pequot tribal village completely, setting fire all around, burning alive over 700 men, women and children. The eerie screams could be heard for miles according to neighboring tribes. The few Pequots that managed to escape were immediately shot down, except for a handful that were held captive and sold as slaves into Boston households. The militia men celebrated on their way home from the slaughter, drinking and cheering upon their return, that same day, signed into law with Governor Bradford that: "This day forth shall be a day of celebration and thanksgiving for subduing the Pequots." (Massachusetts document) This is how the "holyday" was founded. The famous and fictitious story of a "Thanksgiving dinner" in 1621 with the Indians and Pilgrims never happened. In fact, rats that jumped ship even before the Pilgrims set foot ashore, infected the Wampanoags with the deadly Smallpox. The Wampanoags had no resistance to this foreign disease and soon started dropping dead everywhere. They sure couldn't help the Pilgrims when they couldn't help themselves, but the Pilgrims managed to repeatedly steal their grain supplies and other food. The Pilgrim-Indian dinner was invented many years after the Pequot slaughter to instill both a false pride in Americans about the founding of their country and to cover up the True founding: Slaughter, steal land, give thanks. Which started with the Pequots and spread across the entire country, leaving millions dead and remaining survivors shoved onto "reservation" prisons. Between the big lie about the 1621 "Dinner" and the Truth concealed for 358 years, it is very difficult to watch this celebration year in and year out. True thanksgiving, in Native understanding, is ever day, it is a way of life. Would anyone tolerate a "Happy Holocaust Day" in Germany, and give it a Hebrew name??? I don't think so... Americans do need to find out the Truth, so we can all have a "Harvest Dinner" on another day, making a new beginning through education, and change this "Thanksgiving Day" to a National day: "A Teaching Wind," an All Native Peoples Day, including remembrance of the Pequot People.

Source: Documents of Holland, 13 Volume Colonial Documentary History, letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the King in England and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years.

Researched by William B. Newell, Penobscot Tribe; Former Chairman of the University of Connecticut Anthropology Department.

Being a Native American, Comanche/Apache, some of the comments that have been made have upset me and dishonored me.  And I am not referring to comments about Columbus but rather to the ones that involve eating and the pilaging (i.e. native american pussy) the Original Peoples of this country.  For one I am a woman and that comment offended me.  Two I am Native American and I take offense to it.  So next time take a second or two before you let you fingers start typing some response and think about who you might be offending in your posts.  Generally if I am offended by anything I just go to a different thread.  But when you start disrespecting the Native Americans then I will step up to the plate and take a swing back.

Rant over.. flame away.. I am done.

I live in Connecticut, not to far from the two casinos. Foxwoods has an AMAZING museum dedicated entirely to Native American culture. They have entire villages set up and everything. While on the tour you learn about the previously mentioned slaughter of the Pequots. It is sick and people are jaw dropped when they learn about it. I believe it took place in a town now named Uncassville, CT. You forgot to mention the very few survivors, who were sold off as slaves, were forced to convert to Christianity and eventually died from malnutrition and other various things.

Bahiti wrote:

The credit for the information goes to IndianScout.  He's the one that orginally posted it. I was just remembered reading it and searched for it so I could quote him.

Ah, good job either way to both of ya. If you are ever in the NYC/ CT area check out the Museum. It is really educational and unbiased.

So is this totaly inaccurate?

In 1620, a boat filled with more than one hundred people sailed across the Atlantic Ocean to settle in the New World. This religious group had begun to question the beliefs of the Church of England and they wanted to separate from it. The Pilgrims settled in what is now the state of Massachusetts. Their first winter in the New World was difficult. They had arrived too late to grow many crops, and without fresh food, half the colony died from disease. The following spring the Iroquois Indians taught them how to grow corn (maize), a new food for the colonists.

In the autumn of 1621, bountiful crops of corn, barley, beans and pumpkins were harvested. The colonists had much to be thankful for, so a feast was planned. They invited the local Indian chief and90 Indians. The Indians brought deer to roast with the turkeys and other wild game offered by the colonists. The colonists had learned how to cook cranberries and different kinds of corn and squash dishes from the Indians. To this first Thanksgiving, the Indians had even brought popcorn

Thanksgiving in the United States

The first official Thanksgiving was held in the Virginia Colony on December 4, 1619 near the current site of Berkeley Plantation, where celebrations are still held each year in November.[1]

Pilgrims

The Pilgrims set apart a day to celebrate at Plymouth immediately after their first harvest, in 1621. At the time, this was not regarded as a Thanksgiving observance; harvest festivals were existing parts of English and Wampanoag tradition alike. Several American colonists have personal accounts of the 1621 feast in Massachusetts:

William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation:

    "They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their house and dwelling against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they came first (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck of meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to that proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned by true reports."

Edward Winslow, in Mourt's Relation:

    "Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruits of our labor. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which we brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty."

The mention of ninety men in the Winslow account is of interest, as the Native People present would have outnumbered the 50 surviving English at that point. The two preceding passages are the only records of the event, but historians presume that both groups were exposed to unfamiliar forms of celebration.

The Pilgrims did not hold a true Thanksgiving until 1623, when it followed a drought, prayers for rain, and a subsequent rain shower. Irregular Thanksgivings continued after favorable events and days of fasting after unfavorable ones. In the Plymouth tradition, a thanksgiving day was a church observance, rather than a feast day.

Gradually, an annual Thanksgiving after the harvest developed in the mid-17th century. This did not occur on any set day or necessarily on the same day in different colonies in America.

The Massachusetts Bay Colony celebrated Thanksgiving for the first time in 1630, and frequently thereafter until about 1680, when it became an annual festival in that colony; and Connecticut as early as 1639 and annually after 1647, except in 1675. The Dutch in New Netherland appointed a day for giving thanks in 1644 and occasionally thereafter.


That being said I am thankful for the Iroquois

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-22 14:11:47)

Bahiti wrote:

I would have to say that it is partially incorrect.  1637 is when the massacre occured.  The first "dinner" was in 1621 (reread IndianScouts quote) or so history tells us.  Do some deep research. It's all out there.  Well maybe not all.  Some of what the Native Americans went through was never recorded by a "white man".  It was recorded through tribal history.  Handed down through the generations from storytellers.  That is how we keep our traditions alive and keep our history alive.  The true history of our people.  Not the "white man's" version of our history. What would they about it anyway? 

Enough.. the OP's question was what are we giving thanks to.  Again I would have to quote IndianScout as the Native American's way it to give thanks daily for our lives and our families. 

But .. I would have to give thanks to all our past, present, and future military.  Thank you for all that you do to keep us safer here at home.  May your holiday be filled with as much peace as can be obtained where you are and my God keep you safe and bring you home to your families soon.

Ok well my OP was for what you're giving thanks to but some of the real history of it is good as well..