BF2S Forums Palestine & Israel Discussion Thread

weamo8 wrote:

The greatest was when Israel gave up Gaza as a peace offering, and the Palestinians took it and started launching missiles into Israel from Gaza.  lol... how great was that.  Crazy Palestinians.

Yeah, if I were Israel, I would be more than happy to concede the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem to the Palestinians.  Palestinians have always known just how to say thank you.

Plus, every mile closer to Tel Aviv those fun-loving Palestinians make it, the more interesting it will be for everyone.

CameronPoe wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

The greatest was when Israel gave up Gaza as a peace offering, and the Palestinians took it and started launching missiles into Israel from Gaza.  lol... how great was that.  Crazy Palestinians.

Yeah, if I were Israel, I would be more than happy to concede the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem to the Palestinians.  Palestinians have always known just how to say thank you.

Plus, every mile closer to Tel Aviv those fun-loving Palestinians make it, the more interesting it will be for everyone.

It's like the US being invaded by China, oppressed and then being given back Montana. If I was Palestinian I wouldn't be rushing out to kiss the nearest Israeli.

weamo8 wrote:

So what do you expect all of the Israelis to do?  Lay down and die?  Get up and leave the country where they were born because their parents immigrated there "illegally" (which is debatable).  Where do they all go?

weamo8 wrote:

The UN screwed the Palestinians in 1947, not the Israelis.

weamo8 wrote:

The Israelis have done what they had to for survival.  They have often over-reacted, and I would love to wring Yitzhak Shamir's scrawny neck for insulting Syria and ruining the Madrid peace talks in 1991.

But they have also often under-reacted.  After about 2 days of Saddam's SCUDs hitting Israel I would have been tempted to lay a nuke down in downtown Baghdad.  The Arafat led Fatah guerrilla attacks on the West Bank after the 6 day war, with virtually no response, etc.

Every time Israel has made any kind of a concession the Palestinians have paid them back with violence.

Sinai, the Oslo accords, talks at Camp David and the second Intifada, Gaza.

Israel has rarely instigated the violence in any of the major conflicts.

So my question for you CameronPoe is:  If you were the Prime Minister of Israel, what would you do?

What would happen if Israel stopped fighting? Genocide?

What would happen if Arabs stopped fighting? Peace?

I have no great love for Israel, but I have a hard time backing the Palestinians.  They should have taken what they were offered in 1947.

Bertster7 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

people are waking up in ISRAEL..

an ISRAELI dissident wrote this:

Let’s be honest (for once): The problem in the Middle East is not the Palestinian people, not Hamas, not the Arabs, not Hezbollah or the Iranians or the entire Muslim world. It’s us, the Israelis. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the single greatest cause of instability, extremism and violence in our region, is perhaps the simplest conflict in the world to resolve. For almost 20 years, since the PLO’s recognition of Israel within the 1949 Armistice Lines (the “Green Line” separating Israel from the West Bank and Gaza), every Palestinian leader, backed by large majorities of the Palestinian population, has presented Israel with a most generous offer: A Jewish state on 78% of Israel/Palestine in return for a Palestinian state on just 22% – the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. In fact, this is a proposition supported by a large majority of both the Palestinian and Israeli peoples.

http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.asp?m … rticle=306

What an insightful statement. Just what the Baker report suggests and what the Palestinians have been asking for. The fact the Israeli administration won't agree to a 78-22% split suggests they are being just a touch unreasonable about the whole thing.

rawls2 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

people are waking up in ISRAEL..

an ISRAELI dissident wrote this:

Let’s be honest (for once): The problem in the Middle East is not the Palestinian people, not Hamas, not the Arabs, not Hezbollah or the Iranians or the entire Muslim world. It’s us, the Israelis. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the single greatest cause of instability, extremism and violence in our region, is perhaps the simplest conflict in the world to resolve. For almost 20 years, since the PLO’s recognition of Israel within the 1949 Armistice Lines (the “Green Line” separating Israel from the West Bank and Gaza), every Palestinian leader, backed by large majorities of the Palestinian population, has presented Israel with a most generous offer: A Jewish state on 78% of Israel/Palestine in return for a Palestinian state on just 22% – the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. In fact, this is a proposition supported by a large majority of both the Palestinian and Israeli peoples.

http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.asp?m … rticle=306

What an insightful statement. Just what the Baker report suggests and what the Palestinians have been asking for. The fact the Israeli administration won't agree to a 78-22% split suggests they are being just a touch unreasonable about the whole thing.

Yes, what a wondeful one-sided statement.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-12-10 10:23:17)

rawls2 wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16148856/
What a wonderful soceity.

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16148856/
What a wonderful soceity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5033648.stm
What a wonderful society.

Why don't you comment on my article and then I'll comment on yours

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-11 11:22:55)

rawls2 wrote:

Poor Hadithans. If the Iraqi's would stop listening to cleric''s and went along with the reconstruction none of that would have happened. Too bad the majority of Iraqi's slain have come at the hands of other Iraqi's.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-11 11:36:16)

CameronPoe wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Poor Hadithans. If the Iraqi's would stop listening to cleric''s and went along with the reconstruction none of that would have happened. Too bad the majority of Iraqi's slain have come at the hands of other Iraqi's.

Nice unreserved apology there for the debauched acts of inhumanity committed by your fellow countrymen. "Those darn children: they just won't go along with the darn reconstruction." Committed by a westerner: excusable. Committed by an arab: deplorable. The hypocrisy is so saddening it's hilarious. You should be ashamed. It was purportedly done in your name, so you 'can be free'. Sickening.