sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina
I would like the people in this forum to take a minute and think about the shit Humans did in just a century and I want your opinion about these terrible mistakes, and your ideas to avoid new ones in the future.

The term 'Genocide' was coined by a jurist named Raphael Lemkin in 1944 by combining the Greek word 'genos' (race) with the Latin word 'cide' (killing). Genocide as defined by the United Nations in 1948 means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, including:
-killing members of the group
-causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
-deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
-imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
-forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

These are a few examples of what Humans did in the last century:

Armenians in Turkey 1915-1918: 1.500.000 Deaths
The first genocide of the 20th Century occurred when two million Armenians living in Turkey were eliminated from their historic homeland through forced deportations and massacres.

Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-1933: 7.000.000 Deaths
Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

Rape of Nanking 1937-1938: 300.000 Deaths
In December of 1937, the Japanese Imperial Army marched into China's capital city of Nanking and proceeded to murder 300,000 out of 600,000 civilians and soldiers in the city. The six weeks of carnage would become known as the Rape of Nanking and represented the single worst atrocity during the World War II era in either the European or Pacific theaters of war.

Nazi Holocaust 1938-1945: 6.000.000 Deaths
It began with a simple boycott of Jewish shops and ended in the gas chambers at Auschwitz as Adolf Hitler and his Nazi followers attempted to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe.

Mao's Great Leap Forward 1958-1962 (Was this a Genocide?): 40.000.000 Deaths
The Great Leap Forward is now widely seen, both within China and outside, as a major economic disaster, being more of a Great Leap Backward that would affect China in the years to come. As inflated statistics reached planning authorities, orders were given to divert human resources into industry rather than agriculture. According to various sources, the death toll due to famine was most likely 20 to 40 million.

Pol Pot in Cambodia 1975-1979: 2.000.000 Deaths
An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions.

Rwanda 1994: 800.000 Deaths
Beginning on April 6, 1994, and for the next hundred days, up to 800,000 Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia using clubs and machetes, with as many as 10,000 killed each day.

Bosnia-Herzegovina 1992-1995: 200.000 Deaths
In the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina, conflict between the three main ethnic groups, the Serbs, Croats, and Muslims, resulted in genocide committed by the Serbs against the Muslims in Bosnia.

Darfur Conflict 2003-?: 450.000 Deaths
The Darfur conflict is an ongoing armed conflict in the Darfur region of western Sudan, mainly between the Janjaweed, a militia group recruited from the tribes of the Abbala (camel-herding Arabs), and the non-Baggara people (mostly land-tilling tribes) of the region.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-22 08:11:10)

King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6870|Seattle

What about the Japanese? They are responsible for more deaths per day in their genocide against the chinese, than any other war in history.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

King_County_Downy wrote:

What about the Japanese? They are responsible for more deaths per day in their genocide against the chinese, than any other war in history.
The Rape of Nanking?
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6870|Seattle

Oh yeah...maybe that was it. It's been a long time since I read about it.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California
You know, to be technical, none of the things you listed qualify as "genocide."  Ethnic, religious, lifestyle, and political murders are more like it.  And yes, they're all worthy of reflection and moments of sympathy.  It's a damned shame how people behave.  All the more reason to give equal reflection to life, the joys thereof, and to actively promote kindness.  Doing so will bring balance and hopefully effect killers in a positive way so as to thwart their evil mindset.

yoda, out.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

You know, to be technical, none of the things you listed qualify as "genocide."  Ethnic, religious, lifestyle, and political murders are more like it.  And yes, they're all worthy of reflection and moments of sympathy.  It's a damned shame how people behave.  All the more reason to give equal reflection to life, the joys thereof, and to actively promote kindness.  Doing so will bring balance and hopefully effect killers in a positive way so as to thwart their evil mindset.

yoda, out.
Did you read the post?  They all qualify as Genocide.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

You forgot about the American Indian.


Edit:(Ok a little more than 100 years)

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-21 10:15:31)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK
You forgot Mao!

77,000,000 dead people are gonna haunt you!

Last edited by buLLet_t00th (2006-11-21 10:16:12)

ncc6206
=BIG= BAD AND UGLY
+36|6752
How about the Nazis attempted extermination of the Jews?  Does that qualify? *** correction*** Does it qualify more as ethnic cleansing?

Last edited by ncc6206 (2006-11-21 10:50:22)

buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK

ncc6206 wrote:

How about the Nazis attempted extermination of the Jews?  Does that qualify?
Did you even read it?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

ncc6206 wrote:

How about the Nazis attempted extermination of the Jews?  Does that qualify?
Nazi Holocaust 1938-1945: 6.000.000 Deaths
It began with a simple boycott of Jewish shops and ended in the gas chambers at Auschwitz as Adolf Hitler and his Nazi followers attempted to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Heijken
Member
+1|6702
Don't wanna be a bitch, but I've heard that Stalins madness actually cost 17.000.000 lives. Or maybe it was communism all together, but I think just Stalin.

But a good thread what so ever

Last edited by Heijken (2006-11-21 10:26:57)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

buLLet_t00th wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

How about the Nazis attempted extermination of the Jews?  Does that qualify?
Did you even read it?
I didn't put that because it was a failed plan but you can consider it a Genocide.  I'll add it.
buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK

sergeriver wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

How about the Nazis attempted extermination of the Jews?  Does that qualify?
Did you even read it?
I didn't put that because it was a failed plan but you can consider it a Genocide.  I'll add it.
Its already there isnt it? Am I in a time vortex or something?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina
Please if you remember another Genocide or you think there are false facts in the OP let me know.
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6743|Little Rock, AR

buLLet_t00th wrote:

You forgot Mao!

77,000,000 dead people are gonna haunt you!
Who exactly did Mao kill?  Yes, there were political murders, but not on the same scale as the USSR.  It's true that about that number of people starved to death, but the percentage of people that starved to death under Communism was lower than the percentage that starved before the revolution.  China is just a country that's had way too many people in it for way too long.

Also, Ironchef, how can you argue that none of the incidents cited count as genocide?  The holocaust is the classic example of genocide, even if you don't consider some of the others to be genocide.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

kilgoretrout wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

You forgot Mao!

77,000,000 dead people are gonna haunt you!
Who exactly did Mao kill?  Yes, there were political murders, but not on the same scale as the USSR.  It's true that about that number of people starved to death, but the percentage of people that starved to death under Communism was lower than the percentage that starved before the revolution.  China is just a country that's had way too many people in it for way too long.

Also, Ironchef, how can you argue that none of the incidents cited count as genocide?  The holocaust is the classic example of genocide, even if you don't consider some of the others to be genocide.
I don't consider Mao's Revolution a Genocide but between 20 and 40M people died because of it.
buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK

kilgoretrout wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

You forgot Mao!

77,000,000 dead people are gonna haunt you!
Who exactly did Mao kill?
Who exactly did Hitler kill, who exactly did PolPott kill? Thats the stupidest argument ever. You have to remember that millions died of starvation in the concentration camps and they still count towards the total. Think before you post!

Edit: its around the 70,000,000 by the way.
And Im pretty sure the killing of Buddhists and the continued threat of Tibetan extermination somehow counts towards genocide!

Last edited by buLLet_t00th (2006-11-21 10:40:37)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

buLLet_t00th wrote:

kilgoretrout wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

You forgot Mao!

77,000,000 dead people are gonna haunt you!
Who exactly did Mao kill?
Who exactly did Hitler kill, who exactly did PolPott kill? Thats the stupidest argument ever. You have to remember that millions died of starvation in the concentration camps and they still count towards the total. Think before you post!
It was a failed plan, but I added it because it took between 20M and 40M lives.  Now it's in the list.
buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK

sergeriver wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

kilgoretrout wrote:


Who exactly did Mao kill?
Who exactly did Hitler kill, who exactly did PolPott kill? Thats the stupidest argument ever. You have to remember that millions died of starvation in the concentration camps and they still count towards the total. Think before you post!
It was a failed plan, but I added it because it took between 20M and 40M lives.  Now it's in the list.
All of them have been a failed plan!! None of them actually achieved the aims of what they set out to do, so with your thinking nothing should be in the list because they all failed!
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

buLLet_t00th wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:


Who exactly did Hitler kill, who exactly did PolPott kill? Thats the stupidest argument ever. You have to remember that millions died of starvation in the concentration camps and they still count towards the total. Think before you post!
It was a failed plan, but I added it because it took between 20M and 40M lives.  Now it's in the list.
All of them have been a failed plan!! None of them actually achieved the aims of what they set out to do, so with your thinking nothing should be in the list because they all failed!
No, Mao never meant to kill 40 million people, he just took the wrong measures.
The others in the list meant to kill those people.
ncc6206
=BIG= BAD AND UGLY
+36|6752
Next thread... ethnic cleansing.  Anyone want to do the research?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

ncc6206 wrote:

Next thread... ethnic cleansing.  Anyone want to do the research?
Should we laugh now?

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-21 10:54:28)

buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6715|Stealth City, UK

sergeriver wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


It was a failed plan, but I added it because it took between 20M and 40M lives.  Now it's in the list.
All of them have been a failed plan!! None of them actually achieved the aims of what they set out to do, so with your thinking nothing should be in the list because they all failed!
No, Mao never meant to kill 40 million people, he just took the wrong measures.
The others in the list meant to kill those people.
So you're telling me he never meant to kill the elite.....the educated.....the buddhists.....anyone who opposed him? It might just be because your native tounge is Spanish but I dont think you realise what you write or what I write, hell, sometimes I dont know what I write!
ncc6206
=BIG= BAD AND UGLY
+36|6752
Hmmm. I think (opinion only) that ethnic cleansing as the forced relocation of a population more say than genocide.

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