Yes, I heard on the nightly news "The airport was not being "Culturally sensitive"
FUCK YOU AND YOUR CULTURE.....
How's that?
FUCK YOU AND YOUR CULTURE.....
How's that?
Poll
Should airport security procedures include ethnic/religious profiling?
| Yes | 54% | 54% - 107 | ||||
| No | 33% | 33% - 66 | ||||
| Stop the polls | 11% | 11% - 23 | ||||
| Total: 196 | ||||||
So, for all you know, it could be none.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I honestly couldn't say. Im due for continuation training which happens a couple of times a year, this involves being updated on security issues and events worldwide, and documents all known terrorists activity that concerns the aviation industry. So i'd be able to give a clearer indication after ive attended that.
Not a terrorist attack, though.deeznutz1245 wrote:
A lot. They bomb checkpoints leading to bases in Iraq, which is U.S. soil if it is on a base. Just like an embassy in another country.
So they arent doing it to kill and terrorize? They must be doing it for free ice cream. Nope, too hot over there for that. Um maybe they're fucking terrorists?Bubbalo wrote:
So, for all you know, it could be none.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I honestly couldn't say. Im due for continuation training which happens a couple of times a year, this involves being updated on security issues and events worldwide, and documents all known terrorists activity that concerns the aviation industry. So i'd be able to give a clearer indication after ive attended that.Not a terrorist attack, though.deeznutz1245 wrote:
A lot. They bomb checkpoints leading to bases in Iraq, which is U.S. soil if it is on a base. Just like an embassy in another country.
Malloy must go
Doesn't matter.Bubbalo wrote:
How many Muslims are doing so in the US, on a daily basis?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Welp ask yourself, How many white terrorists are going around mass murdering these days with bombs strapped to there bodies? Im talking about on a daily basis. I thought so.
You see 4 of these IMAM folks get kicked off a plane(apparently they were putting on there prayer garb on the plane to pray. People got paranoid, thinking they were going to hijack the plane or such. The US Muslims Are outraged PUBLICLY i might add, but yet You still never see them Publicly Outraged over Any terrorist attacks. But boy let there be a cartoon drawn and they come out in force.
There excuse is"we condemn these things in our mosques? So what, The media and the people they accuse of being racist or whatever don't goto there places of worship, so How is that letting the rest of the world know that they condemn anything? If they want to end even a bit of this tension, they need to come out publicly and condemn these acts of terrorism that is giving the so called moderate Muslims a bad rap. But Youve YET to see them do it. So basically they deserve to be profiled in my book.
1.Bubbalo wrote:
How many planes have Muslims targetted in the past year?
how many Jews have blown up markets with suicide bombers, or flown planes into buildings, or blowup subways, or trains or vacation resort hotels or embassies?? Please, your attempt to lump Israel and their war with Palistine in with the terrorism going on throughout the world is apples and oranges........to say the least.TeamZephyr wrote:
Zionists? Jewish extremists who want the complete destruction of Palestine? Theres been plenty of Hindu Extremists before, such as the one that killed Gandhi. Theres plenty of Christian extremists in Western countries who think we we should invade the whole Middle East and convert them to Christianity? Ann Coulter anyone?lowing wrote:
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.Bubbalo wrote:
You sir, are a twit.
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Every religion has it's extremists and every political belief has it's extremists, that no reason to profile the rest of that religion and belief because of the 0000.1/100 that are actually extremists.
you might very well be a christian, you LOOK like a Muslim you should be looked at closer. Someone's hurt feelings does not compare to the tragedy that could be avoided by questioning that person.Bubbalo wrote:
Any other religions which use the term infidel?lowing wrote:
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.
Besides which, what's to stop them putting "Christian" on their form?
better question might be, how many are avoided by profiling??Bubbalo wrote:
How many Muslims are doing so in the US, on a daily basis?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Welp ask yourself, How many white terrorists are going around mass murdering these days with bombs strapped to there bodies? Im talking about on a daily basis. I thought so.
How many?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
Nope, but I bet the other 350 people on the plane wouldn't mind it.sergeriver wrote:
How many?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
Good comeback. Lol.lowing wrote:
Nope, but I bet the other 350 people on the plane wouldn't mind it.sergeriver wrote:
How many?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
Thanks, I have my moments, I guess.sergeriver wrote:
Good comeback. Lol.lowing wrote:
Nope, but I bet the other 350 people on the plane wouldn't mind it.sergeriver wrote:
How many?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.deeznutz1245 wrote:
right, but the hooligans arent trying to do anything other than be dunk in public, which hurts nobody and is a misdemeanor. Terrorists, well, they are pretty fucking bad.san4 wrote:
If a person who works in airport security doesn't know the difference between football hooligans and sophisticated, well-financed terrorist groups that plan attacks for years, we are in serious trouble. Here's one simple difference: the terrorists will adapt to any security measure you put in place, the drunk hooligans won't.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I work in aviation security and profiling is an important and effective tool. To not take a heightened
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
the very reason we need programs like the patriot act. Intel gathering is essential without the liberals blowing every plan wide open bitching about the terrorists rights being violated........Or are you saying a terrorist,, as smart as you claim, could not possibly figure out how to side step our intel, when we have to follow certain guidelines with our hands tied behind our backs by Clinton, Gore and Kerry and Dean.............that, and the fact that our war plans get published in the liberal rags for all to debate, probably doesn't help the effort very much.san4 wrote:
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.deeznutz1245 wrote:
right, but the hooligans arent trying to do anything other than be dunk in public, which hurts nobody and is a misdemeanor. Terrorists, well, they are pretty fucking bad.san4 wrote:
If a person who works in airport security doesn't know the difference between football hooligans and sophisticated, well-financed terrorist groups that plan attacks for years, we are in serious trouble. Here's one simple difference: the terrorists will adapt to any security measure you put in place, the drunk hooligans won't.
Nothing I love more than a liberal printing our warplanes in the NYT, then screaming in disgust about the list of war dead in Iraq.
How many liberals has this post? 3, 4? Dude, learn another word.lowing wrote:
the very reason we need programs like the patriot act. Intel gathering is essential without the liberals blowing every plan wide open bitching about the terrorists rights being violated........Or are you saying a terrorist,, as smart as you claim, could not possibly figure out how to side step our intel, when we have to follow certain guidelines with our hands tied behind our backs by Clinton, Gore and Kerry and Dean.............that, and the fact that our war plans get published in the liberal rags for all to debate, probably doesn't help the effort very much.san4 wrote:
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.deeznutz1245 wrote:
right, but the hooligans arent trying to do anything other than be dunk in public, which hurts nobody and is a misdemeanor. Terrorists, well, they are pretty fucking bad.
Nothing I love more than a liberal printing our warplanes in the NYT, then screaming in disgust about the list of war dead in Iraq.
Its not that hard to look like your from another ethnic group, and if you claim to be a Buddhist who is to prove you differently? Profiling based on behavior is much more effective than such stereotypes, and avoids discrimination charges. But it is much harder to accomplish, but that's why the FBI and other agencies have very well paid psychologists in their payrolls.sergeriver wrote:
After 9/11 the traveler boarding an airplane encounters something quite different: an insistence that everyone is equally suspect. There is some profiling working at the moment, but it only includes observation techniques. What do you think?
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
That movie with Jodie Foster, Flight Plan I think is the name, has a scene exactly like that. Everyone on the plane starts thinking a couple of Arabs are involved...lowing wrote:
Nope, but I bet the other 350 people on the plane wouldn't mind it.sergeriver wrote:
How many?
If your skin were a bit brown, if you had a long beard and your parents would have named you Muhammad, just because your daddy was a huge fan of Muhammad Ali, would you like to be profiled?
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Intel gathering is essential. It is the only way to stop terrorist attacks.lowing wrote:
the very reason we need programs like the patriot act. Intel gathering is essential without the liberals blowing every plan wide open bitching about the terrorists rights being violated........Or are you saying a terrorist,, as smart as you claim, could not possibly figure out how to side step our intel, when we have to follow certain guidelines with our hands tied behind our backs by Clinton, Gore and Kerry and Dean.............that, and the fact that our war plans get published in the liberal rags for all to debate, probably doesn't help the effort very much.san4 wrote:
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.deeznutz1245 wrote:
right, but the hooligans arent trying to do anything other than be dunk in public, which hurts nobody and is a misdemeanor. Terrorists, well, they are pretty fucking bad.
Nothing I love more than a liberal printing our warplanes in the NYT, then screaming in disgust about the list of war dead in Iraq.
No question, there has to be a balance between secrecy and public oversight. One problem we are having right now with intelligence gathering is that some of the people doing it are incompetent. Public oversight can help get the incompetent people off this incredibly important job.
Absolutly
I trust an American 100000 times more then i trust a towelhead, call me a racist if you want, but if i ran the the airlines it would be the "Middle eastern line" and the "Everyone else" line
I trust an American 100000 times more then i trust a towelhead, call me a racist if you want, but if i ran the the airlines it would be the "Middle eastern line" and the "Everyone else" line
15 more years! 15 more years!
Who needs profiling? We've got those nifty "see through your clothes" machines now.
I guess the only threat that would remain if we used those everywhere would be if the terrorists hid a bomb in their anus. *that scene from "Man on Fire" comes to mind*
I guess the only threat that would remain if we used those everywhere would be if the terrorists hid a bomb in their anus. *that scene from "Man on Fire" comes to mind*
I wouldn't call you racist, you just know nothing about security. Extra inspections for Middle Easterners would help terrorists from everywhere else get by security. And Middle Eastern terrorist groups would recruit people from everywhere else.Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Absolutly
I trust an American 100000 times more then i trust a towelhead, call me a racist if you want, but if i ran the the airlines it would be the "Middle eastern line" and the "Everyone else" line
kr@cker wrote:
profiling is a legitimate tool, odd how no one complains when 99% of all serial killers are initially profiled as being 30-something white dudes. if a black person gets "lynched" no one complains when cops look for white people. if you're looking for a fanatic of a religion that teaches white people are the devil then you may want to start looking for non-white religious fanatics. isreal air uses profiling without a second thought and have never had a terrorist event, seems to me like they would be the biggest target on the hit list.
Agreed, the reason a majority of our intel gathering has been faulted would be because of our pal's ....the democrats. It was the Democratic Senator from NJ, Torricceli, who presented the Torricceli Act in the 90's. That act was catered mostly towards U.S. affairs with Cuba but it did entail one little oversight. The Feds (FBI,NSA,CIA) were no longer allowed to use informants who had criminal records for anyof their covert operations. HHHmmmm. Well, I guess if I wanted to know what was going on in a biker bar that I could'nt get into, I would send Mother fucking Theresa too. Back to my point, intelligence in the field dried up as a result of the newly passed Act by *ahem* , Mr. Clinton, and our best operatives got out of the game. We are still to this day recovering.san4 wrote:
Intel gathering is essential. It is the only way to stop terrorist attacks.lowing wrote:
the very reason we need programs like the patriot act. Intel gathering is essential without the liberals blowing every plan wide open bitching about the terrorists rights being violated........Or are you saying a terrorist,, as smart as you claim, could not possibly figure out how to side step our intel, when we have to follow certain guidelines with our hands tied behind our backs by Clinton, Gore and Kerry and Dean.............that, and the fact that our war plans get published in the liberal rags for all to debate, probably doesn't help the effort very much.san4 wrote:
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.
Nothing I love more than a liberal printing our warplanes in the NYT, then screaming in disgust about the list of war dead in Iraq.
No question, there has to be a balance between secrecy and public oversight. One problem we are having right now with intelligence gathering is that some of the people doing it are incompetent. Public oversight can help get the incompetent people off this incredibly important job.
Malloy must go
I've heard that and it sounds like a bizarre rule. It seems strange that a former head of the CIA (G.H.W. Bush) signed such a weird requirement into law. It's hard to understand why it hasn't been repealed in the decade or so it's been in place.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Agreed, the reason a majority of our intel gathering has been faulted would be because of our pal's ....the democrats. It was the Democratic Senator from NJ, Torricceli, who presented the Torricceli Act in the 90's. That act was catered mostly towards U.S. affairs with Cuba but it did entail one little oversight. The Feds (FBI,NSA,CIA) were no longer allowed to use informants who had criminal records for anyof their covert operations. HHHmmmm. Well, I guess if I wanted to know what was going on in a biker bar that I could'nt get into, I would send Mother fucking Theresa too. Back to my point, intelligence in the field dried up as a result of the newly passed Act by *ahem* , Mr. Clinton, and our best operatives got out of the game. We are still to this day recovering.san4 wrote:
Intel gathering is essential. It is the only way to stop terrorist attacks.
No question, there has to be a balance between secrecy and public oversight. One problem we are having right now with intelligence gathering is that some of the people doing it are incompetent. Public oversight can help get the incompetent people off this incredibly important job.
I was referring to more recent intelligence-gathering errors such as spending millions on experimental data mining projects that rate every traveler's dangerousness. Those are a waste of money because they produce thousands of false positives that have to be tracked down by agents who could be doing more effective things. Every penny spent on data mining should be spent on hiring translators because the military and CIA still don't have enough, and you can't really gather intel without translators. There's also the erroneous imprisonment and torture of Khalid Masri (just a name mix-up), the mistaken arrest of Brandon Mayfield (misidentified fingerprint) and the total lack of oversight of the error-filled no-fly list. Not to mention the mistakes about WMD in Iraq and how negatively the Iraqis would react to the invasion. It is important that the right tools are available to collect intelligence (including some tools that aren't pretty). My concern is that these powerful tools are being placed into the hands of incompetent people.
and you are qualified to judge who is competent and who is how??san4 wrote:
Intel gathering is essential. It is the only way to stop terrorist attacks.lowing wrote:
the very reason we need programs like the patriot act. Intel gathering is essential without the liberals blowing every plan wide open bitching about the terrorists rights being violated........Or are you saying a terrorist,, as smart as you claim, could not possibly figure out how to side step our intel, when we have to follow certain guidelines with our hands tied behind our backs by Clinton, Gore and Kerry and Dean.............that, and the fact that our war plans get published in the liberal rags for all to debate, probably doesn't help the effort very much.san4 wrote:
I agree. My point is that profiling is effective only if the terrorists are as sloppy as drunk hooligans. They aren't. They are organized, careful, and really fucking bad. Profiling will help them get by security because they will adapt to it.
Nothing I love more than a liberal printing our warplanes in the NYT, then screaming in disgust about the list of war dead in Iraq.
No question, there has to be a balance between secrecy and public oversight. One problem we are having right now with intelligence gathering is that some of the people doing it are incompetent. Public oversight can help get the incompetent people off this incredibly important job.
the fact is the intel community has stopped several attacks THAT WE KNOW about, and probably countless attacks that we do not know about.
The REAL problem is the democrats that refuse to acknowledge we have a REAL problem, and instead of getting on board to help secure our country, they would rather play bi-partisan politics and put the anti-BUSH agenda ahead of national security for no other reason than to win back the white house........ALL at our peril.