Well, I lost his point when he started saying what he said. I could not believe what I was reading, so I guess I missed the point.jonsimon wrote:
But the thread was about racism in security, and he pointed out a case where the kind of discrimination you're advocating wasn't valid. So why should it be valid in an airport?usmarine2005 wrote:
Point of thread was airport security. We all know anyone can blow up anything, but that was not the point of the thread. And to say it happened in Ohio.......... come on.jonsimon wrote:
No, he had a valid point. Whites are capable of blowing things up, what makes planes different?
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Should airport security procedures include ethnic/religious profiling?
| Yes | 54% | 54% - 107 | ||||
| No | 33% | 33% - 66 | ||||
| Stop the polls | 11% | 11% - 23 | ||||
| Total: 196 | ||||||
Absolutelyjonsimon wrote:
No, you're suggesting we check the people who share skin color with people have hijacked a plane once.deeznutz1245 wrote:
No twit, my logic is to check every bloody soul that boards. That would prevent ALL persons from smuggling any potential weapon being used for aid in hijacking. But since we are not, and Im not sure why, lets stick with checking the people who have repeatedly hijacked our planes.Bubbalo wrote:
You sir, are a twit.
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Malloy must go
Right, just making sure you know what you meant to type, opposed to what you did type.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Absolutelyjonsimon wrote:
No, you're suggesting we check the people who share skin color with people have hijacked a plane once.deeznutz1245 wrote:
No twit, my logic is to check every bloody soul that boards. That would prevent ALL persons from smuggling any potential weapon being used for aid in hijacking. But since we are not, and Im not sure why, lets stick with checking the people who have repeatedly hijacked our planes.
Well, because in an airplane there are more variables, things that can go wrong to kill mass amounts of people. There are only two people on board that know how to fly the damn thing, lets keep 'em alive. Anyone can have bad luck showing up to work in a federal building or any other targeted building but the structure cant fall out of the sky so thats why airplanes warrant additional security.jonsimon wrote:
But the thread was about racism in security, and he pointed out a case where the kind of discrimination you're advocating wasn't valid. So why should it be valid in an airport?usmarine2005 wrote:
Point of thread was airport security. We all know anyone can blow up anything, but that was not the point of the thread. And to say it happened in Ohio.......... come on.jonsimon wrote:
No, he had a valid point. Whites are capable of blowing things up, what makes planes different?
Malloy must go
Profiling is unfortunate, but necessary. Law enforcement and security usually do it for good reasons.
And that has what to do with the race of a possible hijacker? The point was, white people have blown things up before, why are they less of a threat in an airport than a non-white?deeznutz1245 wrote:
Well, because in an airplane there are more variables, things that can go wrong to kill mass amounts of people. There are only two people on board that know how to fly the damn thing, lets keep 'em alive. Anyone can have bad luck showing up to work in a federal building or any other targeted building but the structure cant fall out of the sky so thats why airplanes warrant additional security.jonsimon wrote:
But the thread was about racism in security, and he pointed out a case where the kind of discrimination you're advocating wasn't valid. So why should it be valid in an airport?usmarine2005 wrote:
Point of thread was airport security. We all know anyone can blow up anything, but that was not the point of the thread. And to say it happened in Ohio.......... come on.
You all need to take a class on statistics. Racial profiling isnt racist, and it doesnt mean that you ignore everyone but 18-32 year old muslim males, but when you have finite resources, you should use them as wisely as possible and go with the math... politics be damned!
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Exactly. Racial profiling just lets terrorist groups know what they have to do to get by security.Bubbalo wrote:
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Behavioral profiling can be effective because there's no simple way to get by it.
Except maybe blow up something else that has weaker security...such as a government building in one of those states whose name begins with an O.
Which will only lead to them employing people who don't match the profile.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Absolutelyjonsimon wrote:
No, you're suggesting we check the people who share skin color with people have hijacked a plane once.deeznutz1245 wrote:
No twit, my logic is to check every bloody soul that boards. That would prevent ALL persons from smuggling any potential weapon being used for aid in hijacking. But since we are not, and Im not sure why, lets stick with checking the people who have repeatedly hijacked our planes.
Which has no relevance to the current argument, which is an application argument.weamo8 wrote:
You all need to take a class on statistics.
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.Bubbalo wrote:
You sir, are a twit.decent1245 wrote:
I concur, this is post 9/11 though.Bubbalo wrote:
By that logic security wasn't needed pre-9/11
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Zionists? Jewish extremists who want the complete destruction of Palestine? Theres been plenty of Hindu Extremists before, such as the one that killed Gandhi. Theres plenty of Christian extremists in Western countries who think we we should invade the whole Middle East and convert them to Christianity? Ann Coulter anyone?lowing wrote:
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.Bubbalo wrote:
You sir, are a twit.decent1245 wrote:
I concur, this is post 9/11 though.
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Every religion has it's extremists and every political belief has it's extremists, that no reason to profile the rest of that religion and belief because of the 0000.1/100 that are actually extremists.
I can respect that not %100 of Muslims hijack planes, but %100 of all planes hijacked in the US in the last 15 years have been by Muslim extremists. See my point.TeamZephyr wrote:
Zionists? Jewish extremists who want the complete destruction of Palestine? Theres been plenty of Hindu Extremists before, such as the one that killed Gandhi. Theres plenty of Christian extremists in Western countries who think we we should invade the whole Middle East and convert them to Christianity? Ann Coulter anyone?lowing wrote:
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.Bubbalo wrote:
You sir, are a twit.
If we followed your logic for deciding what is and isn't appropriate, there would only be measures to protect against attacks that have happened, no that might or will happen.
Every religion has it's extremists and every political belief has it's extremists, that no reason to profile the rest of that religion and belief because of the 0000.1/100 that are actually extremists.
Malloy must go
Any other religions which use the term infidel?lowing wrote:
Any other religious fanatics out there, openly expressing your desires to destroy the infidels, and have in fact made good on such desires???...NO??? Oh, well then I guess we will just have to stick with profiling people for those that do.
Besides which, what's to stop them putting "Christian" on their form?
I work in aviation security and profiling is an important and effective tool. To not take a heightened
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
Welp ask yourself, How many white terrorists are going around mass murdering these days with bombs strapped to there bodies? Im talking about on a daily basis. I thought so.Des.Kmal wrote:
Remember Timothy McFay(that dude who bombed Ohio) he was white.
So, anyone can do it. Not just Terrorist, or the preset: Muslims.
If a person who works in airport security doesn't know the difference between football hooligans and sophisticated, well-financed terrorist groups that plan attacks for years, we are in serious trouble. Here's one simple difference: the terrorists will adapt to any security measure you put in place, the drunk hooligans won't.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I work in aviation security and profiling is an important and effective tool. To not take a heightened
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
How many Muslims are doing so in the US, on a daily basis?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Welp ask yourself, How many white terrorists are going around mass murdering these days with bombs strapped to there bodies? Im talking about on a daily basis. I thought so.
^^^^^^^^Great, another fucking retard^^^^^^^^^san4 wrote:
If a person who works in airport security doesn't know the difference between football hooligans and sophisticated, well-financed terrorist groups that plan attacks for years, we are in serious trouble. Here's one simple difference: the terrorists will adapt to any security measure you put in place, the drunk hooligans won't.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I work in aviation security and profiling is an important and effective tool. To not take a heightened
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
How many planes have Muslims targetted in the past year?
Not sure of exact numbers but 'FINDS' include dets, firearms, modified barometric devices and other materials that could be used to construct IED's
So roughly....................
I honestly couldn't say. Im due for continuation training which happens a couple of times a year, this involves being updated on security issues and events worldwide, and documents all known terrorists activity that concerns the aviation industry. So i'd be able to give a clearer indication after ive attended that.
right, but the hooligans arent trying to do anything other than be dunk in public, which hurts nobody and is a misdemeanor. Terrorists, well, they are pretty fucking bad.san4 wrote:
If a person who works in airport security doesn't know the difference between football hooligans and sophisticated, well-financed terrorist groups that plan attacks for years, we are in serious trouble. Here's one simple difference: the terrorists will adapt to any security measure you put in place, the drunk hooligans won't.OuTLaW667 wrote:
I work in aviation security and profiling is an important and effective tool. To not take a heightened
interest in the Muslim community when Muslim extremists are targeting airports and planes, would
probably amount to criminal negligence. And it's not just about being 'a Muslim' or even the way somebody
'looks', although they can be factors. There are many groups of people that are targeted for profiling, for
many different reasons. For example, when targeting football hooligans 99% of people pulled aside for closer inspection and questioning are white males of a certain age group. Do you hear anybody talk about racism
and discrimination then??? The answer is no. It's about time the Muslim community shown a bit of this
TOLERENCE i keep hearing about but am yet to witness!!
Malloy must go
A lot. They bomb checkpoints leading to bases in Iraq, which is U.S. soil if it is on a base. Just like an embassy in another country.Bubbalo wrote:
How many Muslims are doing so in the US, on a daily basis?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Welp ask yourself, How many white terrorists are going around mass murdering these days with bombs strapped to there bodies? Im talking about on a daily basis. I thought so.
Malloy must go