picked up?Bubbalo wrote:
How many people do you know that have been picked up without a license?
Get up or we'll immobilize you, lol. He was screaming like a maniac before they even tased him, but after he's cuffed it's just excessive.
Let's put you in excrutiating pain and see how rationally you act.Ender2309 wrote:
and to those who argue "maybe he couldn't stand up because of the tazer" well, his vocal cords were fine, and maybe if he told the police that instead of being a jackass he wouldn't have been repeatedly tazed.
Cops Rule
Yay, a non-committal leading response. What's your opinion? There's the inconclusive video and an article written by cub reporters from the UCLA newspaper.Bubbalo wrote:
There are levels of reasonable force. Would it have been appropriate to shoot him dead? No. So the question, then, is whether the actions taken were within bounds of reasonable.deeznutz1245 wrote:
FUCKING BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Pug wrote:
Just do what the officers ask you to do and you don't get tazed.
In the same vein as reasonable force, do you know what reasonable force was in this situation? Or when to use it? Was it applied correctly?
We, of course, can wait for the story from a real newspaper tomorrow...
So, you aren't going to answer? Why?Dec45 wrote:
picked up?Bubbalo wrote:
How many people do you know that have been picked up without a license?
Exactly. Based on what I know now, I don't think it was reasonable. Having said that, I think Dec45 is laying it on a bit thick. But as more details come out, my view may change. This particular incident is of particular interest to me due to talk of Australian police recieving tasers.Pug wrote:
Yay, a non-committal leading response. What's your opinion? There's the inconclusive video and an article written by cub reporters from the UCLA newspaper.Bubbalo wrote:
There are levels of reasonable force. Would it have been appropriate to shoot him dead? No. So the question, then, is whether the actions taken were within bounds of reasonable.deeznutz1245 wrote:
FUCKING BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the same vein as reasonable force, do you know what reasonable force was in this situation? Or when to use it? Was it applied correctly?
We, of course, can wait for the story from a real newspaper tomorrow...
go away. please.badshot wrote:
bunch of shit went here.Protecus wrote:
In my own defense, I am all for civil rest and a safe living environment. However, there is a line, and these officer took a nice running start to jump over it. .......
S CALLED BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF.
if you aren't going to argue in coherent sentences, don't post in DS&T. if you're going to type LIKE THIS, don't post here either.
if you aren't going to press that nifty little button down there that says "spell check," again, don't post.
i'd tell them exactly what i think he should have said.Bubbalo wrote:
Let's put you in excrutiating pain and see how rationally you act.Ender2309 wrote:
and to those who argue "maybe he couldn't stand up because of the tazer" well, his vocal cords were fine, and maybe if he told the police that instead of being a jackass he wouldn't have been repeatedly tazed.
something along the lines of, "i'm trying to stand up, but my legs won't work right" rather than "heres your fucking patriot act!"
like i said before, they could have done something different, but the guy still earned his tazing.
And how many times have you been electrocuted? Besides which, screaming is typically instinctive.
And perhaps you should practice what you preach and use a little key called "shift". There are two of them.
And perhaps you should practice what you preach and use a little key called "shift". There are two of them.
Come on, coming from someone in Washington DC the murder capital of the USA??? LA isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I was born and raised here and actually went to UCLA. Yes we all thought the UCPD (campus and actually state cops as UCLA is a state school) was a bit overeager to push kids around, but what ever happened to "Yes Sir" when asked to do something by a police officer? It used to be that people obeyed the cops and didn't push back just for the hell of it like this student did.Hurricane wrote:
The more I hear about this the more I'm scared of LA. They should secede and become "Crimeikstan".
I don't know if using a taser is a compliance measure in the training of the officers. If it is than they did nothing wrong, but if a taser is to be used as a weapon and only if there is an imminent threat to the officers or the public, then the cops should be fired. I would bet that tasing a person is what the police are trained to do to force people to comply with their orders. It's non lethal and actually doesn't do much damage other than hurting like hell for a few seconds.
thanks for proving your inability to read what was actually written. i never said they should use it whenever they feel like it, i said they simply had the option and the right to go the way they did. whether or not it was cruel, the kid was in the wrong and the cops were in the right.Dec45 wrote:
No. Physically attacking a person is a LAST resort. You're a sick person if you believe a cop should use force whenever he feels like it, in favor over when he needs to. That's about as oppressive as a mentality can get.Ender2309 wrote:
sure, they probably could have done something else, but did they have to? no. did he earn the tasing? yes. do you see my point now?Dec45 wrote:
Just face it man, it was unnecessary. You can act like a hard ass with every event like this, because there are many many more out there, but the bottom line is that you're advocating some pointless shit. They didn't have to taser that kid. So why did they? Because like you, they're down with forcing people into submission. There's another word for that, it's called oppression.
as well, i'd classify a mentality like that more as sick, not oppressive. oppressive is more like the way women are treated in muslim countries.
Why couldn't they have just dragged him out?
And if there are no ill-effects, how come so many people have died from them?
Our cops are just starting to get them now
And if there are no ill-effects, how come so many people have died from them?
Our cops are just starting to get them now
One of the parties in the upcoming state election in Victoria is promising to spend money on getting police officers tasers and semi automatic weapons. I object to the semis, and am on the fence on tasers.
First off, Me relax? It would seem you are the one getting a bit frustrated. People like me exist? Yes, I do exist. And no, I am not some kind of hard core right winger. Read the sig. I am a college student like him.Dec45 wrote:
You seriously feel throwing a kid in county or city jail, over using his school's library without his I.D is a reasonable punishment? Get the fuck out of here... People like you exist? Wow... I think you need to relax.Snipedya14 wrote:
Yes, resisted arrest. Is that so hard to grasp? The police wanted to arrest him, he would budge. Do I condone the use of the tazer? No. Do I condone the act of picking his ass up and throwing him in a squad car? You bet.Dec45 wrote:
Resisted arrest? The kid was a legit student. There was no law broken, and if there was it is equally ridiculous that it is above a citation.
1. Throwing the kid in jail? Maybe I should of said detained or something. I never said jail. Put the kid in the back of the car, let him calm down, let him on his merry way with citation in hand.
2. He was breaking a rule, thus trespassing. Thats a crime. Whether you agree with it or not isnt the question is it? I don't think anyone here is arguing about the rule itself, but the application of the force.
I repeat my previous statement. I do not condone the repeated tazering. It was unneeded, and obviously didn't work real well.
What you guys miss is that the function of a tazer is not to force people to do anything but stay on the ground. They are tools to keep dangerous people incapacitated, to keep them from harming officers or adjacent citizens. Tazers are not meant to control a subject, except if they are violent. I don't see any evidence that anyone there was in any danger, excepting the guy getting a few dozen thousand volts pumped into his body.
Their use here is completely out of line. If tazers needed to be used, it should have been used *once* and they should have cuffed is arms and drug him out. That skiny little kid shouldn't have been a problem for the 3-4 beefy cops there. But I guess they preferred to play psychiatrist, and that giving him electro shock therapy on the spot was the best thing for everyone involved.
To all the smacktards who say that he should have complied with their demands: I wanna tazer your ass 4 times and then yell at you to stand repeatedly, cause then you'll know what it's about. I have been tazered, by the police, and willingly. I wanted to see what it's about. Unless you're doped up on some powerful drugs, your ass is in a world of pain, and you're not inclined to do anything.
Their use here is completely out of line. If tazers needed to be used, it should have been used *once* and they should have cuffed is arms and drug him out. That skiny little kid shouldn't have been a problem for the 3-4 beefy cops there. But I guess they preferred to play psychiatrist, and that giving him electro shock therapy on the spot was the best thing for everyone involved.
To all the smacktards who say that he should have complied with their demands: I wanna tazer your ass 4 times and then yell at you to stand repeatedly, cause then you'll know what it's about. I have been tazered, by the police, and willingly. I wanted to see what it's about. Unless you're doped up on some powerful drugs, your ass is in a world of pain, and you're not inclined to do anything.
Ahh, let's go Dingo Tazing.Bubbalo wrote:
This particular incident is of particular interest to me due to talk of Australian police recieving tasers.
My friend's dog is half dingo.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
I thought you guys just ate them when you ran out of seasonal cacti.Bubbalo wrote:
My friend's dog is half dingo.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
What it ultimately boils down to is whether or not the officers are guilty of using excessive force. Drama queening or not, was the student causing a big enough uproar to justify them disturbing the peace all the more?
Um, the Australian Outback is a LOT different from the Arizona desertunnamednewbie13 wrote:
I thought you guys just ate them when you ran out of seasonal cacti.Bubbalo wrote:
My friend's dog is half dingo.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
omg, tasing a student is their job?? omg omg omg omg omgMiller wrote:
I think these officers are doing their job. Let it be. Of course, if it's the school security, fire them.
You forgot the irradiated regions of Nevada and southern Utah. A regular Mad Max of cancer deaths down there.TeamZephyr wrote:
Um, the Australian Outback is a LOT different from the Arizona desertunnamednewbie13 wrote:
I thought you guys just ate them when you ran out of seasonal cacti.Bubbalo wrote:
My friend's dog is half dingo.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
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Pretty much. Occasionally we eat immigrants. All free range. Personally I favour the ones from Baxter, but it's a personal thing. With the right sauce and accompanying wine it really is beautiful.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I thought you guys just ate them when you ran out of seasonal cacti.Bubbalo wrote:
My friend's dog is half dingo.
And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets. W007.
He didn't get arrested for for trespassing, which by the way is an arrestable offense, he was arrested for not cooperating. By seeing the video we cant determine what his level of initial cooperation was, however, there is 4 minutes of the police telling him to "get up" and him being defiant, thus getting shocked which leads to the assumption that he was ultimately defiant from the get go. Damn even the rats in the maze figure out how to not get zapped quicker than this little prick.Dec45 wrote:
I wasn't aware people got arrested for their first offense when driving without a license. Maybe that's because you don't. A library should be even less of a problem. If you can go to jail for unlawfully using the library of the school you belong to, then this country is fucking doomed.deeznutz1245 wrote:
OMG Bubbalo? I'm impressed.....seriously! I hate you a little less now. *sipping a cold one* aaahhh, cheers.Bubbalo wrote:
He didn't have proof of his right to use the library. Same as you have to have a license on you when you drive, not just have one.
Malloy must go