Some would argue, it is not only our right to protest a war (in which sons a daughters are dying in) we do not believe in, but our duty to do so.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
YAh and badmouthing the country, Badmouthing the President and the military and holding anti war protests while our men and women are in harms way is good somehow? Stopping or stalling appropriations for the war, Critisizing every move, Putting down the leadership and everything every chance you get because of spite is good? It helps our troops and our military win how? The Partisan politicians and the American public didnt learn a damn thing from vietnam. Plus the fact the ones with the most decenting voices wernt even frigging born back then and think they know it all. Well hope there happy, there whinning has or might put a huge target on our ass now.Turquoise wrote:
Wiretapping any citizens the government feels like. Arrests without warrants. Pretty much everything in the Patriot Act is fascist.Stingray24 wrote:
Example?
And WHAT message does that Send to Your son or daughter? Honestly, what does it say? Real Moral booster for your kid huh? Yes son Be careful over there, Ill be protesting and trying to bring the Govt to a hault so things are worse for you?????? Is THAT the message or The Impact Your socalled RIGHT Sends?Snipedya14 wrote:
Some would argue, it is not only our right to protest a war (in which sons a daughters are dying in) we do not believe in, but our duty to do so.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
YAh and badmouthing the country, Badmouthing the President and the military and holding anti war protests while our men and women are in harms way is good somehow? Stopping or stalling appropriations for the war, Critisizing every move, Putting down the leadership and everything every chance you get because of spite is good? It helps our troops and our military win how? The Partisan politicians and the American public didnt learn a damn thing from vietnam. Plus the fact the ones with the most decenting voices wernt even frigging born back then and think they know it all. Well hope there happy, there whinning has or might put a huge target on our ass now.Turquoise wrote:
Wiretapping any citizens the government feels like. Arrests without warrants. Pretty much everything in the Patriot Act is fascist.
FFS I was there the first time, Most of my friends are there now in some sense, They Honestly dont Like hearing or reading about this shit comeing from there Own country. Sure some dont want to be there, But to hear the bullshit day in and day out really does take your head out of the game, making you THAT much more liablr to Not come back alive!!! But do people get that? By the looks of things Id say no. The blood is on Your hands as much as anyones.
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Not that US laws apply to foreign citizens, but that the gov't violated US law in not seeking warrants to wiretap. That's what I was referring to.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Wrong on the wire tap. How do US laws pertain to citizens of another state? They don't. That is what the wiretapping was going for. Unfortunately, people in our own government betrayed this brilliant maneuver of tracking terrorists by reporting it to the main stream media.Masques wrote:
I find it interesting that so many on the right in this forum argue vehemently for the right to bear arms so that a government may fear its citizens but are perfectly content with an executive that oversteps its legal bounds and disobeys congress (I hope you know that the government was determined to have broken the law during the whole wiretapping brouhaha earlier this year.)
It would appear that an untrammeled executive is fine so long as you can have a handgun.
And the gov't has already said that journalists' communications are fair game. So, we have a situation in which the gov't has been found to have violated the law in respect to wiretapping and has declared that journalists' communications are fair game for intrusion. It's not that far a jump in logic to see how this can be turned on law abiding citizens.
That was the disconnect I was alluding to in my previous post. That we have people that ostensibly argue from a position of mistrust of government (gov't fearing its citizens implies the commission of action against the law/citizenry) when it refers to gun ownership but seem not to care about obvious increases in executive authority at the expense of co-equal branches of government.
It's transparently unprincipled.