i had to give up, hes like a horse with its blinders on.
To clarify, terrorism is a black or white issue, by you undermining the efforts of those trying to combat it all over the world, then you in fact have chosen a side Cam.CameronPoe wrote:
Thank you for proving what I just said. A) I never said anything EVER about reasoning, negotiating or appeasing terrorists, B) you actually bare-facedly admitted being a mindless good-evil automaton incapable of differentiation or dealing with the inherent subtleties of 'grown up' argument and for that matter the intricacies of reading the English language text printed on the screen in front of you, C) where did I ever say kidnapping or civilan attacks was right (if you recall I think I reiterated my abhorration of such acts about 20 times in our latest debate).lowing wrote:
Basically you are saying reason with terrorists, negotiate with terrorists, appease terrorists.
See, to me this issue is black and white, there is no justifaction for the actions such as I posted, there is a wrong and a right. There is no, " sure they killed 300 people in cold blood including women and children, we just don't understand them is all they need attention."
If you have issues, you do not kidnap, behead, blow up people to be heard. But I guess the killing of so many innocents in Iraq by these groups is a shade of gray of what is right and wrong. Yup, I am proud to say that is a major difference between you and me. It is wrong find another way.
Why must you act so mindlessly and print complete lies sometimes?
Read what I write not what you think please Lowing. It's like your mind filters what you see on the screen and all that comes out the other end, regardless of what has been written, comes out as 'I like terrorists'.
To clarify - my post does not condone the kidnapping - the kidnapping itself is terrible. As such, how am I 'siding with the terrorists'? LOL. My post does however criticise the apparent ineptitude of the occupation forces for letting that happen. Of course personally I don't think it should be the responsibility of the west at all to be dealing with such incidents or dabbling in Iraq but seeing as the stated aim of the US is a safe and secure Iraq then I think the ineptitude is rightfully worthy of criticism.
What you write is bullshit double talk.........Like I said before, in another thread. You say I hate snow, I hate Santa I hate Christmas Trees, I hate presents, but I love Christmas.......It is bullshit, and makes no sense.
The events of the day are what they are, it is time to choose sides. Weither you agree with removing Saddam or not, it is time to choose a side in this fight. And yes Cam, you can say whatever you want, you are an appeaser.
I am talking about your govts. you simpletonJahManRed wrote:
We are all sitting eating popcorn because there is little we as individuals can do. We can however point out the obvious mistakes made so they aren't made again.lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.
These death squads in Iraqi are run by government Shia Muslim ministers who are ethnically cleansing the country including its police force and government departments. These departments are over seen by American Advisor's who are silenced by Washington when they cry foul of what they see.
Seeing as you sound so righteous on the issue, what are you doing to help the people of Iraqi? Closing your eyes and ears doesn't count.
Quickly Cameron, to the Communo-Fascist Mobile! I'll summon the boy wonder!lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.
Seriously though, what do you want me to do? Start a letter writing campaign?
My governments already in Iraq. And so far the only casualty is a guy who shot himself. Yup, all bright sun and blue skies in Iraq.lowing wrote:
I am talking about your govts. you simpleton
No, you need to fix all of the problems in the middle east by yourself... Either that or blindly agree with Conservative America. That's the only way we'll fix this mess... Geesh...Bubbalo wrote:
Quickly Cameron, to the Communo-Fascist Mobile! I'll summon the boy wonder!lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.
Seriously though, what do you want me to do? Start a letter writing campaign?
lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.
When you say "you sideliners" who sit back and criticize you are not talking about us as individuals? "you sideliners" doesn't refer to my government. I am a British and an Irish citizen. The British Government is in with two feat with America and has never criticized a thing America has done in Iraqi and has committed troops to the region (much to the anger of the majority of British citizens) Ireland has never 'criticized' America either. She even lets you fuel you bombers and secrete prison/torture flights on her soil............. so what is your point??? Our governments have not criticized so obviously you aimed your comment at us personally. Proving your last post to be an attempt to dig your way out of idiotic statements. Think your showing yourself to be the simpleton here.lowing wrote:
I am talking about your govts. you simpleton
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This thread would have taken a lot of your karma Lowing, if the negative karma would be working.
Are you quoting a Hitler speech and replacing the subject of the speech with my name Lowing? Pure hogwash. And more damning evidence of your flaws of which we speak.lowing wrote:
To clarify, terrorism is a black or white issue, by you undermining the efforts of those trying to combat it all over the world, then you in fact have chosen a side Cam.
What you write is bullshit double talk.........Like I said before, in another thread. You say I hate snow, I hate Santa I hate Christmas Trees, I hate presents, but I love Christmas.......It is bullshit, and makes no sense.
The events of the day are what they are, it is time to choose sides. Weither you agree with removing Saddam or not, it is time to choose a side in this fight. And yes Cam, you can say whatever you want, you are an appeaser.
I don't think Iraq does or did have anything to do with effectively combatting terror. It has zero impact on terror levels in the west. Madrid and London are testament to that (some would say Iraq brought those on, Iraq certainly did nothing to prevent them). I have different ideas about how it should be dealt with. Metaphorically speaking the US is just cutting branches and twiglets from the 'terrorism' tree (whilst adding fertilizer around the base!). I would prefer to deal with it by the trunk and roots. Create a homeland fortress, address the excuses terrorists use to recruit people (if we are indeed at fault, such as our unconditional support for Israel) and cutting off their funds and fighting them with counter-intelligence, infiltration and targetted repsonses (as opposed to levelling entire countries thus creating more terrorists and throwing away any trust and credibility we probably never had anyway!).
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But theres Nothing in it for there countries. I have to give props to Aus though, they did have feet on the ground. But the rest of the (if it doesnt involve me or i cant profit from it) countries would have lent a helping hand, this would have been done and over. But i guess we will have to deal with an unstable Iraq when we are done, because the rest of the world could give a shit less.lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.CameronPoe wrote:
If people like me, Bubbalo and JahManRed feel this way about the occupation you can be certain that actual Iraqis will be FAR FAR more irate. What benefit has there been? Little or none. You couldn't even prevent 150 people from being kidnapped. What is it you're doing there again?lowing wrote:
yeah, now you say shit like that.
Every other time it is an unjust war, Rumsfeld sucks, Bush sucks, American soldiers are mindless. This is the bullshit the coalition is trying to deal with in Iraq and all people like you have done is take cheap shots, and undermine the effort. I did not generalize anything, this is a fact on this forum.
What Poe said. There seem to be alot of posts that say the liberals don't support the current method of combating terrorism therefore they support terrorism. In actuallity the current methods have if anything made the whole situation worse (terrorist aren't exactly finding any problems in recruitimg more people to their cause). If the attempts to combat terrorism are actually resulting in an increase in terrorism then according to your black and white view of this issue it's you who is supporting terrorism.CameronPoe wrote:
Are you quoting a Hitler speech and replacing the subject of the speech with my name Lowing? Pure hogwash. And more damning evidence of your flaws of which we speak.lowing wrote:
To clarify, terrorism is a black or white issue, by you undermining the efforts of those trying to combat it all over the world, then you in fact have chosen a side Cam.
What you write is bullshit double talk.........Like I said before, in another thread. You say I hate snow, I hate Santa I hate Christmas Trees, I hate presents, but I love Christmas.......It is bullshit, and makes no sense.
The events of the day are what they are, it is time to choose sides. Weither you agree with removing Saddam or not, it is time to choose a side in this fight. And yes Cam, you can say whatever you want, you are an appeaser.
I don't think Iraq does or did have anything to do with effectively combatting terror. It has zero impact on terror levels in the west. Madrid and London are testament to that (some would say Iraq brought those on, Iraq certainly did nothing to prevent them). I have different ideas about how it should be dealt. Metaphorically speaking the US is just cutting branches and twiglets from the 'terrorism' tree (whilst adding fertilizer around the base!). I would prefer to deal with it by the trunk and roots. Create an homeland fortress, address the excuses terrorists use to recruit people if we are indeed at fault (such as unconditionally supporting Israel) and cutting off their funds and fighting them with counter-intelligence, infiltration and targetted repsonses (as opposed to levelling entire countries thus creating more terrorists).
CameronPoe wrote:
I've had a relatively drawn out debate with Lowing recently and I really tried very hard with him, I really did, and it remained quite civil but in the end degenerated into typical Lowing-speak (not directed at me - at another forum member but it rolled back on any progress he had made on the reasonabless front) . I've worked him out now. He is of the Bush mentality 'you're either with us or against us'. He is a dyed-in-the-wool 'two categorisations for everything' intransigent. Something most reasonable people would find hard to understand. Such a black-and-white view of the world is not helpful one bit. It can't be reasoned with and one should ask the question 'why bother?'. The only time one should bother with such a warped mentality is when someone like that gets into power.JahManRed wrote:
You really are a close minded generalizing little person. Not everyone is split between two camps you know.
I dunno why I'm bothering, 'cos I know you'll not bother to visit this link and even if you do you'll just ignore the facts, but, here goes nothing...<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
the rest of the world could give a shit less.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 873359.stm
This thread turned into a flame thread so fast...
Maybe because some people are getting a little tired of lowing and his distorted world-view.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
This thread turned into a flame thread so fast...
On general princibles, I must throw my support behind lowing.
Seems to me Saddam was a trial for the abduction and murder of 150 people.
We can beat these people, we just have been playing too nice.
Seems to me Saddam was a trial for the abduction and murder of 150 people.
We can beat these people, we just have been playing too nice.
What are you supporting? He didn't make much of a point. I think we all agree that there are 'people who want to reconstruct Iraq and people who want to keep it a shambles'. It isn't some moment of clarity that was heretofore not obvious to the general masses.ATG wrote:
On general princibles, I must throw my support behind lowing.
Seems to me Saddam was a trial for the abduction and murder of 150 people.
We can beat these people, we just have been playing too nice.
How are you going to play less nice? You can't tell who's who for Christ's sake! That's why insurgencies are so impossible to overcome. Rumsfeld fucked this right up. You might have had a chance two years ago but sorry buddy it really is game over unless you initiate a draft (political suicide) and even then there's no guarantee.
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He Lowing, my pal. On general princibles means not specifically this thread.
I know you are open minded. Good for you. You support your wing mates, but u can also tell if they are wrong.ATG wrote:
He Lowing, my pal. On general princibles means not specifically this thread.
I applied a lowing filter to my monitor long ago. Here's how it works: if I see anything written by lowing, I don't reply.
If a BF2Ser posts in the middle of a forum and no one is around to reply, does he make a sound?
If a BF2Ser posts in the middle of a forum and no one is around to reply, does he make a sound?
sergeriver wrote:
I know you are open minded. Good for you. You support your wing mates, but u can also tell if they are wrong.ATG wrote:
He Lowing, my pal. On general princibles means not specifically this thread.
Sorry man but that's just wrong.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I applied a lowing filter to my monitor long ago. Here's how it works: if I see anything written by lowing, I don't reply.
If a BF2Ser posts in the middle of a forum and no one is around to reply, does he make a sound?
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hehehehe lets all gang up on Lowing and his narrow mindedness. All evidence shows support for terrorism will now increase because the war. Some Dept's. of the Iraqi Government are supporting death squads (is that terrorism) and the US supports the Iraqi Government, so technically the US is to blame for said terrorism. remember also the US funded Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, so when they "boooooo" to the US they are all bad people all of a sudden. Lowing we may not be eating popcorn on the side but i bet you'll be playing BF2 instead.
Oh and another thing as you are so biased, I believe both Blair and Bush are going to start changing strategy on Iraq are you too???
Authorities deplored the act, and the United Nations issued a condemnation "in the strongest terms."
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Oh no! Hans Brix?!
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Oh no! Hans Brix?!