great post, you should be a politician with the way you can go on and on...and NOT answer a question.CameronPoe wrote:
Point One: That is a crazy hypothetical as equally odious as the 'annihilate Israel' idea. What about all of the millions of decent arabs and persians, who care little or nothing for politics because they have their own problems to deal with, that would be swept away in this armageddon of which you speak? It's genocide. Some governments of predominantly islamic nations may be a problem but all too often governments do not equal the populace (especially in a region rife with dictatorships). To wipe everything else but Israel out is to hand victory to, what I personally would describe as, a terrorist state (as would others). You would be replacing bad with bad - it's all bad. Israel was created with the help of the Haganah, Irgun and Lehi - terrorist organisations responsible for massacres of civilians every bit as bad as those perpetrated by Hamas or Hezbollah. I would find it difficult to choose between two sets of terrorists.lowing wrote:
a hypothetical here:
I believe if it were the Islamic nations that "disappeared" from the ME instead of Israel, there would be peace in that region. and again, we agree that if Israel "disappeared" violence and chaos would still reign in that region. Which, comes full circle to my point all along. The problem isn't Israel, it is the Islamic nations that surround it. Simplistic I know, but I hope you get my point.
No Cam, what you do is, thump Israel woefully more than any other, on the topic, when clearly it is a two way street.
Point Two: Lowing, you thump arabs and muslims mercilessly more than any other, on the topic, when clearly it is a two way street. I don't think there's anyone on this forum that posts counter arguments within their own arguments, least of all you or me. When someone questions me on my more detailed opinions I duly oblige.
Where's the question?lowing wrote:
great post, you should be a politician with you can go on and on...and NOT answer the question.lowing wrote:
a hypothetical here:
I believe if it were the Islamic nations that "disappeared" from the ME instead of Israel, there would be peace in that region. and again, we agree that if Israel "disappeared" violence and chaos would still reign in that region. Which, comes full circle to my point all along. The problem isn't Israel, it is the Islamic nations that surround it. Simplistic I know, but I hope you get my point.
No Cam, what you do is, thump Israel woefully more than any other, on the topic, when clearly it is a two way street.
good point I forgot to add it a few days ago.sorryBubbalo wrote:
Where's the question?lowing wrote:
great post, you should be a politician with you can go on and on...and NOT answer the question.lowing wrote:
a hypothetical here:
I believe if it were the Islamic nations that "disappeared" from the ME instead of Israel, there would be peace in that region. and again, we agree that if Israel "disappeared" violence and chaos would still reign in that region. Which, comes full circle to my point all along. The problem isn't Israel, it is the Islamic nations that surround it. Simplistic I know, but I hope you get my point.
No Cam, what you do is, thump Israel woefully more than any other, on the topic, when clearly it is a two way street.
question is, of you don't think the problems will be solved in the ME with the removal of Israel, how can you say Israel is the problem in the first place? The problem I think is the lack of tolerance for ALL others, not just Israel............The are focused on Israel now, because they ar ethe current thorn in their asses. Israel isn't infiltrating countries all over the world blowing shit up. MUSLIMS are. THEY are the problem.
Because it suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
Would you take objection to a bunch of native Americans appearing at your door with guns and telling you to leave because the land is theirs?
Would you take objection to a bunch of native Americans appearing at your door with guns and telling you to leave because the land is theirs?
Just because israel aren't infiltrating what YOU regard as the rest of the world doesn't mean they aren't. Ask someone living in the Golan Heights, Sinai Peninsula, Shebaa Farms, West Bank or any of the countries supporting millions of Palestinian refugees cast out of their homes in 1948 never to be allowed return. Israel have expansionist ambitions in the middle east. They blow plenty of shit up. They certainly did when they took the Sinai in 56. You're viewing things solely through a US-Israel prism here.lowing wrote:
good point I forgot to add it a few days ago.sorry
question is, of you don't think the problems will be solved in the ME with the removal of Israel, how can you say Israel is the problem in the first place? The problem I think is the lack of tolerance for ALL others, not just Israel............The are focused on Israel now, because they ar ethe current thorn in their asses. Israel isn't infiltrating countries all over the world blowing shit up. MUSLIMS are. THEY are the problem.
Muslims are not the problem. Some of their leaders are. Talk about a generalisation.
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They are the problem? lol are you serious.... you have to completely ignore the actions off all other countries in the world to begin to believe such nonsense as Muslims being responsible for the problems of this world. I find it odd to draw a parallels to Nazi Germany right now, but undoubtedly its most appropriate.lowing wrote:
good point I forgot to add it a few days ago.sorryBubbalo wrote:
Where's the question?lowing wrote:
great post, you should be a politician with you can go on and on...and NOT answer the question.
question is, of you don't think the problems will be solved in the ME with the removal of Israel, how can you say Israel is the problem in the first place? The problem I think is the lack of tolerance for ALL others, not just Israel............The are focused on Israel now, because they ar ethe current thorn in their asses. Israel isn't infiltrating countries all over the world blowing shit up. MUSLIMS are. THEY are the problem.
Israel is in but one sub-region of the Middle East, and to think that Israel is the main contributing factor to the fighting between the states you are sadly mistaken.
one word......................obsessionFen321 wrote:
They are the problem? lol are you serious.... you have to completely ignore the actions off all other countries in the world to begin to believe such nonsense as Muslims being responsible for the problems of this world. I find it odd to draw a parallels to Nazi Germany right now, but undoubtedly its most appropriate.lowing wrote:
good point I forgot to add it a few days ago.sorryBubbalo wrote:
Where's the question?
question is, of you don't think the problems will be solved in the ME with the removal of Israel, how can you say Israel is the problem in the first place? The problem I think is the lack of tolerance for ALL others, not just Israel............The are focused on Israel now, because they ar ethe current thorn in their asses. Israel isn't infiltrating countries all over the world blowing shit up. MUSLIMS are. THEY are the problem.
Israel is in but one sub-region of the Middle East, and to think that Israel is the main contributing factor to the fighting between the states you are sadly mistaken.
lol, i guess if you equate obsession to actually studying the region then yes.lowing wrote:
one word......................obsessionFen321 wrote:
They are the problem? lol are you serious.... you have to completely ignore the actions off all other countries in the world to begin to believe such nonsense as Muslims being responsible for the problems of this world. I find it odd to draw a parallels to Nazi Germany right now, but undoubtedly its most appropriate.lowing wrote:
good point I forgot to add it a few days ago.sorry
question is, of you don't think the problems will be solved in the ME with the removal of Israel, how can you say Israel is the problem in the first place? The problem I think is the lack of tolerance for ALL others, not just Israel............The are focused on Israel now, because they ar ethe current thorn in their asses. Israel isn't infiltrating countries all over the world blowing shit up. MUSLIMS are. THEY are the problem.
Israel is in but one sub-region of the Middle East, and to think that Israel is the main contributing factor to the fighting between the states you are sadly mistaken.
Forgive me if i actually know what i'm talking about
nope, I am talking about the new documentary.Fen321 wrote:
lol, i guess if you equate obsession to actually studying the region then yes.lowing wrote:
one word......................obsessionFen321 wrote:
They are the problem? lol are you serious.... you have to completely ignore the actions off all other countries in the world to begin to believe such nonsense as Muslims being responsible for the problems of this world. I find it odd to draw a parallels to Nazi Germany right now, but undoubtedly its most appropriate.
Israel is in but one sub-region of the Middle East, and to think that Israel is the main contributing factor to the fighting between the states you are sadly mistaken.
Forgive me if i actually know what i'm talking about