Well I think Lebanon or Hezbollah brought it upon themslves when they kidnapped Israeli troops and then commenced firing of Katyusha rockets on Israeli towns which were civilian targets BTW. Yes it sucks that Israel killed innocent civilians but thats war man. Your going to have collateral damage in a war, its just a fact of life. It also didnt help that Hezbollah used the civilian populace as shields against the Israeli atillery and bombers or so they thought anyways. What choice did Israel have really? Either let Hezbollah get away with kidnapping a couple of their troops or say enough is enough and make them pay.sergeriver wrote:
I think US pulled Israel into a war with the Arab world with its veto on last UN Resolution condemining Israel attacks and killings of civilians.
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Us shouldn't have vetoed that resolution, now it's a big deal. The Arab World is discussing right now how to screw Israel. And they will.arabeater wrote:
Well I think Lebanon or Hezbollah brought it upon themslves when they kidnapped Israeli troops and then commenced firing of Katyusha rockets on Israeli towns which were civilian targets BTW. Yes it sucks that Israel killed innocent civilians but thats war man. Your going to have collateral damage in a war, its just a fact of life. It also didnt help that Hezbollah used the civilian populace as shields against the Israeli atillery and bombers or so they thought anyways. What choice did Israel have really? Either let Hezbollah get away with kidnapping a couple of their troops or say enough is enough and make them pay.sergeriver wrote:
I think US pulled Israel into a war with the Arab world with its veto on last UN Resolution condemining Israel attacks and killings of civilians.
Hezbollah wasn't even supposed to have the arms they used to fight Israel, and they're expecting from the people they disobeyed to act against Israel?
I disagree, but thats just my opinion. I say Israel had the right to attack Lebanon. Yes it sucks to kill civilians but like I said before its just how it is during any war of conflict. Israel doesnt have alot to worry about. They've been through this situation before and they will overcome anything that comes their way.sergeriver wrote:
Us shouldn't have vetoed that resolution, now it's a big deal. The Arab World is discussing right now how to screw Israel. And they will.arabeater wrote:
Well I think Lebanon or Hezbollah brought it upon themslves when they kidnapped Israeli troops and then commenced firing of Katyusha rockets on Israeli towns which were civilian targets BTW. Yes it sucks that Israel killed innocent civilians but thats war man. Your going to have collateral damage in a war, its just a fact of life. It also didnt help that Hezbollah used the civilian populace as shields against the Israeli atillery and bombers or so they thought anyways. What choice did Israel have really? Either let Hezbollah get away with kidnapping a couple of their troops or say enough is enough and make them pay.sergeriver wrote:
I think US pulled Israel into a war with the Arab world with its veto on last UN Resolution condemining Israel attacks and killings of civilians.
RE: on topic
Just going to remind you all that Iran is the military power in the Middle East.
Just going to remind you all that Iran is the military power in the Middle East.
I think you meant Israel.Zolow wrote:
RE: on topic
Just going to remind you all that Iran is the military power in the Middle East.
I thought it was the US no? LOL. They seem to hang about there a lot...arabeater wrote:
I think you meant Israel.Zolow wrote:
RE: on topic
Just going to remind you all that Iran is the military power in the Middle East.
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Oh yea that is true, but probably not too much longer due to the recent elections.CameronPoe wrote:
I thought it was the US no? LOL. They seem to hang about there a lot...arabeater wrote:
I think you meant Israel.Zolow wrote:
RE: on topic
Just going to remind you all that Iran is the military power in the Middle East.
I meant by "here we go again" that this is the start of another drawn-out flame war about Israel. You know? The topic that has not already been argued 100 times over?oug wrote:
Oh CP you upset Fancy... Maybe you shouldn't be talking about the US foreign policy... its so passee... plus some people get offended when you talk about their country. Maybe its not politically correct...?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Here we go again...CameronPoe wrote:
US supporting a terrorist state. A first!
However, oug, it does not surprise me that you didn't catch that. Refer to this thread:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=51039&p=1
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I don't know.
But rest assured, I think the US, UN, NATO and about every major military in the world will find a way to stick their noses into this theoretical war.
But rest assured, I think the US, UN, NATO and about every major military in the world will find a way to stick their noses into this theoretical war.
..don't believe all the partisan garbage rhetoricarabeater wrote:
Oh yea that is true, but probably not too much longer due to the recent elections.
Firstly the Dem's don't have some absolute power secondly their positions aren't completely opposite like right wingers want you to believe. There are several bases in Iraq that are permanent and electing Democrats isn't going to change that. There are also several other countries in the middle east not named Iraq that have FOB's.
Ah...very true also, but your also forgetting our future bases in Iran as well. Man I miss Afghanistan so much. NOT!wreck® wrote:
..don't believe all the partisan garbage rhetoricarabeater wrote:
Oh yea that is true, but probably not too much longer due to the recent elections.
Firstly the Dem's don't have some absolute power secondly their positions aren't completely opposite like right wingers want you to believe. There are several bases in Iraq that are permanent and electing Democrats isn't going to change that. There are also several other countries in the middle east not named Iraq that have FOB's.
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I think you vastly underestimate Iran's capabilities.wreck® wrote:
Be rational Iran has absolutely no ability to strike Israel conventionally.
We probably would enter the war.Harmor wrote:
Will Israel pull the United States into a war with Iran? If Iran and Israel fought, would the United States join? Or support the war?
Nope... but it would leave most of the Middle East in smoldering rubble.Harmor wrote:
Would other countries join like Syria or Hezbolla in Lebanon?
Would this be World War 3?
As usual, Iran is just saying more bullshit. Yeah, of course, they'll react to protect themselves. But you have to ask yourself this: why would Israel attack Iran first? At this point, it's been proven that Iran has been sending funds and arms to Hezbollah. They've supported terror against Israel for years. So, at this point, when the Iranian and Syrian governments have such connections to these things, can you blame Israel for attacking either of them by now? I wouldn't.Harmor wrote:
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Foreign Ministry said Sunday that his country's Revolutionary Guards would strongly and immediately respond to any Israeli attack as hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad harshly criticized the U.N. Security Council over its efforts to impose sanctions because of Tehran's controversial nuclear program.
"If the Zionist regime commits such stupidity, the response by the Iranian military will be swift, strong and crushing," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini said. "Iran will take no longer than a second to respond."
Israeli officials have commented recently that the country's military would consider bombing Iranian nuclear facilities to thwart what it has described as an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran says its plans aim to generate electricity.
Israel bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 to destroy former President Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program. While Israel neither acknowledges nor denies possessing nuclear arms, it is thought to have about 100-200 nuclear warheads, according to a 2006 by the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.
Source: Iran: We Will Retaliate Swiftly to Any Israeli Attack
Granted, as the briefing implies, yes, it would be very stupid of Israel to attack Iran right now. They would likely win in a war against Iran, but only because they have nukes. Even taking the nuclear option, Israel would be in bad shape after the war.
Very true. They do have a decent Air Force, but they would be commiting suicide by attacking Israel by air since Israel has US made F-16's, F-15's and F-22's. Oh and not to mention a great air defense radar system!Bubbalo wrote:
I think you vastly underestimate Iran's capabilities.wreck® wrote:
Be rational Iran has absolutely no ability to strike Israel conventionally.
True, but most people seem to forget what countries lie between Israel and Iran. Iraq, Syria and Jordan. So for there to be a ground war that would mean that either Iran has allied itself up with Syria and Jordan against Israel or Israel would have to fight its way to Iran through Syria and Jordan just to face Iran. Both scenarios highly unlikely. And i'm sure everybody knows who resides in Iraq at the present moment and I know Iran doesnt want any part of that. I do agree that Israel would win a war 1 on 1 with Iran even without nukes.Turquoise wrote:
We probably would enter the war.Harmor wrote:
Will Israel pull the United States into a war with Iran? If Iran and Israel fought, would the United States join? Or support the war?Nope... but it would leave most of the Middle East in smoldering rubble.Harmor wrote:
Would other countries join like Syria or Hezbolla in Lebanon?
Would this be World War 3?As usual, Iran is just saying more bullshit. Yeah, of course, they'll react to protect themselves. But you have to ask yourself this: why would Israel attack Iran first? At this point, it's been proven that Iran has been sending funds and arms to Hezbollah. They've supported terror against Israel for years. So, at this point, when the Iranian and Syrian governments have such connections to these things, can you blame Israel for attacking either of them by now? I wouldn't.Harmor wrote:
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Foreign Ministry said Sunday that his country's Revolutionary Guards would strongly and immediately respond to any Israeli attack as hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad harshly criticized the U.N. Security Council over its efforts to impose sanctions because of Tehran's controversial nuclear program.
"If the Zionist regime commits such stupidity, the response by the Iranian military will be swift, strong and crushing," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini said. "Iran will take no longer than a second to respond."
Israeli officials have commented recently that the country's military would consider bombing Iranian nuclear facilities to thwart what it has described as an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran says its plans aim to generate electricity.
Israel bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 to destroy former President Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program. While Israel neither acknowledges nor denies possessing nuclear arms, it is thought to have about 100-200 nuclear warheads, according to a 2006 by the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.
Source: Iran: We Will Retaliate Swiftly to Any Israeli Attack
Granted, as the briefing implies, yes, it would be very stupid of Israel to attack Iran right now. They would likely win in a war against Iran, but only because they have nukes. Even taking the nuclear option, Israel would be in bad shape after the war.
Oh, yes. Because the only way they can strike back is with their Air Force. Totally.arabeater wrote:
Very true. They do have a decent Air Force, but they would be commiting suicide by attacking Israel by air since Israel has US made F-16's, F-15's and F-22's. Oh and not to mention a great air defense radar system!Bubbalo wrote:
I think you vastly underestimate Iran's capabilities.wreck® wrote:
Be rational Iran has absolutely no ability to strike Israel conventionally.
Ok explain to me how they would get to Israel with ground forces Stormin Norman? There are 3 countries in between them both.Bubbalo wrote:
Oh, yes. Because the only way they can strike back is with their Air Force. Totally.arabeater wrote:
Very true. They do have a decent Air Force, but they would be commiting suicide by attacking Israel by air since Israel has US made F-16's, F-15's and F-22's. Oh and not to mention a great air defense radar system!Bubbalo wrote:
I think you vastly underestimate Iran's capabilities.
You overestimate their capabilities to serve your bias. Iran hasn't made any significant improvements since the Iran Iraq war that Iraq itself hadn't. Any informed unbiased person with military and historical knowledge knows that Iran is in no better position than Iraq was in 2003 and would fall just as quickly.Bubbalo wrote:
I think you vastly underestimate Iran's capabilities.wreck® wrote:
Be rational Iran has absolutely no ability to strike Israel conventionally.
Also its quite impossible for Iran to wage any semblance of a conventional war against Israel. There is a buffer zone that the simply cannot deploy past in Iraq and Turkey with very limited and antiquated equipment in Syria. A navy that would be sunk in hours leaving the only means a fleet of 80's era Russian Mig's.. Iran has absolutely no conventional means to attack a country like Israel.
But hey keep wishing for your dream of Israel's demise ..maybe try clicking your heels and pretending Iran is some huge monster. Maybe you've already done that ..
Apparently they can:Dec45 wrote:
How would Iran strike Israel?
Source: Iran Tests Fires Longer Range Missile That Can Hit Israel as Part of New Maneuvers
Bubbaloo just posts stuff to get people arguing... lol... No facts... those just get in the way...
Love is the answer
On June 7, 1981 the Israeli air force bombed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear plant they purchased from France.Turquoise wrote:
But you have to ask yourself this: why would Israel attack Iran first?
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And according to this article Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran. Thus Israel looks like they are planning to do the same to Iranian nuclear reactors that they did in 1981 with the Iraqi reactor.
If Israel did this then it would no doubt start a war, according to Iran in this article, Iran: We Will Retaliate Swiftly to Any Israeli Attack.
Seems very plausible.
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It's like this. Osiraq was easy. Iran won't be. They're good and ready for any Israeli attempts on their nuclear installations. Not to mention the fact that they built them to withstand such attacks and have a number of reactors and facilities spread throughout the country. There is no guarantee that if Israel risk all to take them out that they will actually achieve anything except the unification of all forces arab and persian against them in a battle for the continued existence of Israel as we know it today. I don't think they could conduct an attack that would take out the nuclear capabilities of Iran with 100% certainty.Harmor wrote:
On June 7, 1981 the Israeli air force bombed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear plant they purchased from France.Turquoise wrote:
But you have to ask yourself this: why would Israel attack Iran first?
Source: Operation Opera
And according to this article Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran, Israel may do the same to Iranian nuclear reactors.
If Israel did this then it would no doubt start a war, according to Iran to this article, Iran: We Will Retaliate Swiftly to Any Israeli Attack.
Seems very plausible.
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Agreed. Even the United States military strategists have said that bombing the 'known' nuclear facilities would only delay the Iranians about 5 years. Not to mention avoiding any fallout that could occur when you drop a 5,000 pound bunker buster on an underground nuclear facility.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't think they could conduct an attack that would take out the nuclear capabilities of Iran with 100% certainty.
Other United State military strategists believe that you need to send elite special forces units in to disable them.
I'm not a military expert, but I'm pretty sure Iran knows how to hide their stuff from the world - they did it with the U.N. Nuclear Inspectors.
Source: Journalist: U.S. planning for possible attack on Iran
Source: 'US planning strike against Iran'
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Yeah, I caught on to that with his rediculous fall of Rome analogy. He kind of reminds me of Ikarti during his hardcore trolling days. I tend to skip over anything Bubbalo posts now.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Bubbaloo just posts stuff to get people arguing... lol... No facts... those just get in the way...
As for Iran, they're pretty much all bark and no bite. What do you expect them to say when Israel is threatening to bomb their nuclear facilities...."Go ahead, we'll just sit back and watch"? In reality, though, Iran does not have the capability to thwart an Israeli attack.
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