Arms. Once I shoot whoever made the stupid decision to use one, we can go to both.
Poll
If you could have only one Which one Would you Choose?
| Freedom of Speech | 73% | 73% - 198 | ||||
| Right to Bear Arms | 26% | 26% - 72 | ||||
| Total: 270 | ||||||
Here I am! Arms, it'll keep my freedom of speech safe.sergeriver wrote:
Why are the persons who voted for Arms not showing up?
"You can't say that!"
*sound of mag slapped into AR-15 and round slammed into chamber*
"Oh, nevermind, say what you want."
your gonna shoot us with ink...or what?sergeriver wrote:
So far, 80% voted Freedom of Speech. The other 20% should be shot. j/k
Yeah, but if you have a piece of duct tape over your mouth, or a little black box floating in front of your mouth, shooting it won't fix things. I think the little censorship box is more dangerous than having to beat down a home-invasion robber with a kitchen knife. lolStingray24 wrote:
Here I am! Arms, it'll keep my freedom of speech safe.sergeriver wrote:
Why are the persons who voted for Arms not showing up?
"You can't say that!"
*sound of mag slapped into AR-15 and round slammed into chamber*
"Oh, nevermind, say what you want."
I'd take the right to bear Arms so I could overthrow the government that took my free speech away. (or at least try to overthrow it...I'd need help obviously)
Last edited by SysTray (2006-11-10 14:33:11)
i think what many people are failing to understand is how the loss of these rights would play out in reality. For example, systray's suggestion that he'd prefer to be armed so as to redeem his lost free speech. but in reality, he'd never be able to assemble to take back his right because media outlets would not be able to indicate to the populous that there is an uprising. Instead, you'd be watching your information tube feed you things like "the government is your friend, your speech is "protected" from those that would abuse it!, and underlying tones would suggest that all is well, bearing arms is still there! freedom from illegal search and seizure is still there..etc.SysTray wrote:
I'd take the right to bear Arms so I could overthrow the government that took my free speech away. (or at least try to overthrow it...I'd need help obviously)
I'm imagining Nazi era germany where Nazi propaganda ruled the information flow and people were armed, yet they could not supress this government and retake their free speech.
So it seems that unless you're going to storm the government with you and your neighbors..instead of a mass populous of informed and angered constitution lovers....you'll meet with dissapointment.
However, if you don't have weapons, but you have free speech, you can beat the machine, rally necessary support to redeem your lost arms rights, and you have the power of propaganda in your favor.
I don't know..the pen is mightier than the sword here folks. But hey, that's my opinion! Don't shoot me or curse at me (yep, i've taken away both your rights! muahahahahaaa!).
Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-10 14:41:52)
Before freedom of speech would be restricted, the government would have to disarm it's citizens. Otherwise, we'd overthrow them. One comes before the other if we're awake. If not, your example might pan out.IRONCHEF wrote:
Yeah, but if you have a piece of duct tape over your mouth, or a little black box floating in front of your mouth, shooting it won't fix things. I think the little censorship box is more dangerous than having to beat down a home-invasion robber with a kitchen knife. lolStingray24 wrote:
Here I am! Arms, it'll keep my freedom of speech safe.sergeriver wrote:
Why are the persons who voted for Arms not showing up?
"You can't say that!"
*sound of mag slapped into AR-15 and round slammed into chamber*
"Oh, nevermind, say what you want."
or that
The right to bear arms, i just wrote a 4 page report on it for US History<<doing hte bill of right again!!!
one freedom of speech is all fine and dandy in my book. IDK what it is i love guns (i dont kill people just animals yum yum yum beef jerky and steak) but like i could live without freedom of speech if we aint getting into niddy gridy, i also got a ques if freedom of speech was gone then the government could take away gun and we couldn't do jack shit about it so yea no offense, i know u made this post with thte utmost intention but this is kinda piontless if we are getting technical...PS I AM RLY DUMB LOOK AT MY SPELLING IN OTHER POSTS!!!!
yea idk rly I guess idk its kinda iffy i use my rights <what i got not many in school> but yea its kinda any way
one freedom of speech is all fine and dandy in my book. IDK what it is i love guns (i dont kill people just animals yum yum yum beef jerky and steak) but like i could live without freedom of speech if we aint getting into niddy gridy, i also got a ques if freedom of speech was gone then the government could take away gun and we couldn't do jack shit about it so yea no offense, i know u made this post with thte utmost intention but this is kinda piontless if we are getting technical...PS I AM RLY DUMB LOOK AT MY SPELLING IN OTHER POSTS!!!!
yea idk rly I guess idk its kinda iffy i use my rights <what i got not many in school> but yea its kinda any way
when i am bearing arms, i have the right to say anything i want.
yea now that i think of it if we got rid of freedom of speach you know how many hicks their are in like kentucky, no offense ur state is cool but theirs alot of those dudes that would get in their pick ups with their fucking 30-06 and shoot the shit till the sun dont shine and i dont mean words when i say shoot the shit ((((((shooting stuff))))))Tushers wrote:
The right to bear arms, i just wrote a 4 page report on it for US History<<doing hte bill of right again!!!
one freedom of speech is all fine and dandy in my book. IDK what it is i love guns (i dont kill people just animals yum yum yum beef jerky and steak) but like i could live without freedom of speech if we aint getting into niddy gridy, i also got a ques if freedom of speech was gone then the government could take away gun and we couldn't do jack shit about it so yea no offense, i know u made this post with thte utmost intention but this is kinda piontless if we are getting technical...PS I AM RLY DUMB LOOK AT MY SPELLING IN OTHER POSTS!!!!
yea idk rly I guess idk its kinda iffy i use my rights <what i got not many in school> but yea its kinda any way
If you have the right to bare arms,then that almost guarantees freedom of speech in most situations.
Null Vote
Null Vote
Ironchef, what's limiting me from starting a secret society. Public speech and opinion would be banned but if I held private meetings with just enough people (spread as quietly as possible by word of mouth) to take over it'd be fine.
Remember, nothing was said about our privacy rights being taken away, just our publicity.
Remember, nothing was said about our privacy rights being taken away, just our publicity.
Loaded, hypothetical question. Null vote: I'll take both, thank you. Illegal bombs are a greater threat to totalitarian government than small arms, anyway.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-11-10 15:00:51)
If you say the right to bare arms but not speech I suggest shooting yourself. Without freedom of speech we wouldn't get any good movies or TV shows, just propaganda crap, everyone would be brainwashed into thinking the same. We would have guns and thus could rebel but chances are the government would have more, and better guns and be more organised and better trained and there is also the brainwashing thing I mentioned so alot of people wouldn't join the rebellion. On the home defense front I think a large knife or baseball bat (or if you are CamPoe a Hurley) is good enough as most burgulars don't have much better.
And do any of you really think that a govrnment that doesn'y let people say what they want would let them have guns? Well besides the Cheney Administration?
And do any of you really think that a govrnment that doesn'y let people say what they want would let them have guns? Well besides the Cheney Administration?
That sounds extremely naive. The people of a country, that has an army of the size the USA has, have little to no change of overthrowing their goverment if their freedom of speech were taken away.SysTray wrote:
I'd take the right to bear Arms so I could overthrow the government that took my free speech away. (or at least try to overthrow it...I'd need help obviously)
Your gun does not prevent your arrest, it only makes it more likely you'll be killed during the arrest (if you try to pull the gun on the heavily armed Sturmabteilung that's coming to get you).smtt686 wrote:
when i am bearing arms, i have the right to say anything i want.
Of course it does.apollo_fi wrote:
Your gun does not prevent your arrest
If i shoot a policeman in the face he won't be arresting me.
It's not the point of being naive, it's the point of using your rights to the best of their ability.Gawwad wrote:
That sounds extremely naive. The people of a country, that has an army of the size the USA has, have little to no change of overthrowing their goverment if their freedom of speech were taken away.SysTray wrote:
I'd take the right to bear Arms so I could overthrow the government that took my free speech away. (or at least try to overthrow it...I'd need help obviously)
The right to bear arms is there so that if our government becomes oppressive we have the ability to at least try and make a difference.
If the whole public of the united states was irate at the fact they lost their freedom of speech, I'm sure they'd want something done about it, which you could do with guns. If someone took away your right to own a gun, what are you going to do about it? Start a formal protest? That'll do a lot against the US Army that you speak of.
Last edited by SysTray (2006-11-10 15:45:55)
Of course.jord wrote:
Of course it does.apollo_fi wrote:
Your gun does not prevent your arrest
If i shoot a policeman in the face he won't be arresting me.
In the specific case that there's one of you and one of the policemen.
Unfortunately, there's always,
...always...
more than one of the policemen. The second policeman will shoot you in the face.
And that's my point...without freedom of speech, you'd NEVER know to go and take it back. You'd have no idea if you're alone in your desire to retrieve it, or if the whole country is ready to do what you're wanting to do. Word of mouth is the best you could do..maybe some pony express riders. Kinda makes me think that as bad as the MSM is now, we still really rely on them for...EVERYTHING! kinda scary!SysTray wrote:
If the whole public of the united states was irate at the fact they lost their freedom of speech, I'm sure they'd want something done about it, which you could do with guns. If someone took away your right to own a gun, what are you going to do about it? Start a formal protest? That'll do a lot against the US Army that you speak of.
And as said previously, "they" are armed too, and they'll have the unobstructed communications..unless george souros somehow launched some independent and unblockable satelites! lol
Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-10 15:54:43)
You seem very sure of this,perhaps you need to look just under my name where it ways "from..."apollo_fi wrote:
Of course.jord wrote:
Of course it does.apollo_fi wrote:
Your gun does not prevent your arrest
If i shoot a policeman in the face he won't be arresting me.
In the specific case that there's one of you and one of the policemen.
Unfortunately, there's always,
...always...
more than one of the policemen. The second policeman will shoot you in the face.
Yes,if i have a gun 5 English police won't stop me,after i shoot them all in the face.
Lol, bingo, .jord wrote:
You seem very sure of this,perhaps you need to look just under my name where it ways "from..."apollo_fi wrote:
Of course.jord wrote:
Of course it does.
If i shoot a policeman in the face he won't be arresting me.
In the specific case that there's one of you and one of the policemen.
Unfortunately, there's always,
...always...
more than one of the policemen. The second policeman will shoot you in the face.
Yes,if i have a gun 5 English police won't stop me,after i shoot them all in the face.
Point taken.
But will shooting and killing 5 police officers get you back your freedom of speech? Or will you confront the president/MP and demand your free speech be restored at the point of your gun...as laserbeams are trained at your temples and between your eyes? loljord wrote:
Yes,if i have a gun 5 English police won't stop me,after i shoot them all in the face.
speech first, guns second.
Freedom of speech, no use to bear arms (on Iceland that is) unless you like hunting.
Last edited by PBAsydney (2006-11-10 16:00:56)