The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6773|Los Angeles
If you're like me at all, you've read through the voter information guide and are on the fence about a few issues because you don't know what the real story is. 

I know it's a bit late but if you haven't voted yet and you're on the fence with some of the props, you might find it interesting to see who exactly are the ones funding the "NO ON PROP 85" ads and such.

1) Head to this page
2) Click on the prop you're interested in
3) Click on the name of a committee
4) Click the radio button labeled "Contributions received".

If you're a big nerd like me you can download the excel file and then create a pivot table of the resulting data so you can quickly total up all of the multiple contributions made from specific contributors.

For example, the No On 87 ads trot out the president of the state firefighters' association to tell us to vote down the prop.

But check out who's really behind the committee opposing this prop, who call themselves "CALIFORNIANS AGAINST HIGHER TAXES":

https://img419.imageshack.us/img419/5237/gasls7.jpg

Another easy one: there's a committee called "CALIFORNIANS AGAINST UNACCOUNTABLE TAXES" who is against the 13-cent-per-cigarette-tax prop 86. This web site lets you see who this committee really is.

https://img460.imageshack.us/img460/9748/cigarjp2.jpg

I'd been thinking about voting NO on all of the bond props, because I don't like the idea of throwing more money at inefficient government spending that will likely serve only to fill the pockets of government contractors. But I checked out who's supporting 84, and rather than obvious monetary beneficiaries, you have the Nature Conservancy and the California Conservation Action Fund.

Anyway this may help you avoid making a decision out of a lack of information.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6821|Southeastern USA
yeah, if you don't know what the damn thing is then for god's sake don't vote on it and move to the next, legalese is next to impossible to figure out if you wait to decipher it once you're in the booth knowing there's a line waiting behind you, and few things are more fun than finding out a week later you voted to raise your property tax and increase vacation pay for your state reps cuz you didn't know what the damn thing said
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6773|Los Angeles
Interesting, I sorted through the contributions made to oppose #89, the campaign finance reform bill. Looks like a lot of money from corporations who want to keep the system going by which they can rain money on certain candidates.

https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5425/financewy6.jpg

Yes on 89 for me.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6821|Southeastern USA
all we had up were 5 or so AV tax exemptions for farmers and such, and one bill restricting the use of eminent domain

campaign finance reforms are a sticky subject, seems like those that sponsor them also happen to have convenient loopholes built into them so they can keep dumping money into campaigns as they choose unopposed, not to mention it smacks of freedom of speech restrictions.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6717|The Land of Scott Walker
My understanding of campaign finance reform currently is that it's a load of bs designed to get votes for the bill sponsors.  Painting yourself as the good guy because you "took the money out of politics" is a steaming load of crap.  CFR will just push the donation into the dark and we won't know who is supporting which candidate.  I could care less who contributes to what candidate.  I contribute to the ones I support, any company should be able to if they want.
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6773|Los Angeles

Stingray24 wrote:

My understanding of campaign finance reform currently is that it's a load of bs designed to get votes for the bill sponsors.  Painting yourself as the good guy because you "took the money out of politics" is a steaming load of crap.  CFR will just push the donation into the dark and we won't know who is supporting which candidate.  I could care less who contributes to what candidate.  I contribute to the ones I support, any company should be able to if they want.
Are you familiar with the specific proposition we're talking about, on the ballot in California? I'd guess not, based on your comments.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6717|The Land of Scott Walker

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

My understanding of campaign finance reform currently is that it's a load of bs designed to get votes for the bill sponsors.  Painting yourself as the good guy because you "took the money out of politics" is a steaming load of crap.  CFR will just push the donation into the dark and we won't know who is supporting which candidate.  I could care less who contributes to what candidate.  I contribute to the ones I support, any company should be able to if they want.
Are you familiar with the specific proposition we're talking about, on the ballot in California? I'd guess not, based on your comments.
As I said, nationally my understanding is above.  You posted nothing of the details of the California proposition.  I'm at work, quick posts are fine, web research will be frowned upon.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2006-11-07 10:41:01)

The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6773|Los Angeles

Stingray24 wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

My understanding of campaign finance reform currently is that it's a load of bs designed to get votes for the bill sponsors.  Painting yourself as the good guy because you "took the money out of politics" is a steaming load of crap.  CFR will just push the donation into the dark and we won't know who is supporting which candidate.  I could care less who contributes to what candidate.  I contribute to the ones I support, any company should be able to if they want.
Are you familiar with the specific proposition we're talking about, on the ballot in California? I'd guess not, based on your comments.
As I said, nationally my understanding is above.  You posted nothing of the details of the California proposition.  I'm at work, quick posts are fine, web research will be frowned upon.
Title of the thread is "Interesting site for Californians voting on props today". No need to explain background of props to those people. If you're interested in joining the discussion, the onus is on you to get informed.

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