sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina
This is a video from Danish band Outlandish.  Zionism is making good Jews look bad, because Judaism doesn't support terrorism and killing as Zionism is.

Lisik
Member
+74|6759|Israel

Bertster7 wrote:

Lisik wrote:

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUfB00Lo5s[/yotube]

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
this video is good made, but the problem that jews did not left Israel after Romans and crusaders! and another problem that all who lived on that are since Romans and crusaders(bedues or kurds for example), did not remember the great nation of Palestinians... anyone here was in Negev desert(were Palestinians kasams today falls) and saw Bedouin? bedues serve in idf and also kill Palestinian terrorists, because they don't know who the hell is "grates nation of Palestine"!


and i do not support kids and woman killings, but when u got AK fire from the house and the only way to get inside its to use grenade.... rush inside and find dead kid.... its pretty unfair when they say that kid was bloody murdered by israeli wars machine.

its known... no terrorists - no war machines!
And the assasinations and bombings by Zionists that led to the establishment of Israel as a state, they were what? Not acts of terrorism, surely?
its looks like forgot a small parth of your own history! u promis jews u will help, and then u run for arabs oil... so who u think will defend on jews? borat? he did! his mother still living in north of israel!
jonsimon
Member
+224|6753
lol "[the palestinians] slaughtered TENS of jews [before the state of Israel]!"

lol OMG tens of jews! that's like, 20! 20 whole jews!

All I hear is 3 minutes so far of a jew pointing out why 'the jewish people' suck because they can't play nice with anyone else.
Lisik
Member
+74|6759|Israel
if you count from zero tens its alot... but the point how its connecting with year 1967?

Last edited by Lisik (2006-11-06 12:14:23)

wreck®
Member
+10|6644
The original posters video has one extremely valid point. People tend to look at Israels actions with amnesia unable to think beyond 5 minutes. Instead of looking for emotional knee jerk reactions its better to look critically into the history and time line for how things came to be. Saying Israel is "punishment for the holocaust" is a statement of total historical ignorance.

Ask the question why did the United Nations design and suggest then approve of the 1948 partition ? Because of 40 years of killing Jews who legally migrated there. Why did the Jews get settlements after the Yom Kippur war? Because of the Arab refusal to accept the outcome of the 1948 war they launched so they launched 2 more wars in 67 and 73 that killed thousands of Jews. Why do the Jews have some oppressive police action in the West Bank and Gaza strip today? Because after 40 years of riots and killings 3 major wars and 2 intifada's of suicide bombings and 100 years or so of violence Israel has completely lost all trust and faith in their neighbor not trying to kill them.

Only the exspulsion and/or death of every Jew in the Middle East would pacify the violence.
herrr_smity
Member
+156|6886|space command ur anus
the Jews killed Jesus they must die
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|6933|Belgium

Lisik wrote:

this video is good made, but the problem that jews did not left Israel after Romans and crusaders! and another problem that all who lived on that are since Romans and crusaders(bedues or kurds for example), did not remember the great nation of Palestinians... anyone here was in Negev desert(were Palestinians kasams today falls) and saw Bedouin? bedues serve in idf and also kill Palestinian terrorists, because they don't know who the hell is "grates nation of Palestine"!


and i do not support kids and woman killings, but when u got AK fire from the house and the only way to get inside its to use grenade.... rush inside and find dead kid.... its pretty unfair when they say that kid was bloody murdered by israeli wars machine.

its known... no terrorists - no war machines!
Lisik, while it is important to know the historical facts of this conflict, as many posters in various treads have pointed out, it is by itself not giving a solution to the conflict, merely a way to better understand it.

So it is worth knowing that the Jewish people lived in the area in the past, but you'll have also have to take into account that other people lived there as well, and already were there during the last century.  If one should accept the fact that the area belongs to Jewish people only because Jewish people were living there in the past and were there first, one should also be prepared to give Australia back to the Aboriginals, and North America to the native Indian Tribes, and all descendents of the former immigrants (mostly Europeans) would have to go back to where they came from (which would create a new problem, for which country would accept GWB?).

So you see, we have a problem here:  the state of Israel is never going to disappear or be forced to vanish, no matter what some Arab fanatics as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or people from the Hezbollah are declaring, but OTOH the Palestinian people living in refugee camps for 60 years now will not go away either and they will not loose their aspirations on their homeland, no matter what brute force the Israeli army is using (unless your country is willing to go ahead with your own version of the "Endlösung").

See my point? Since this is a no win situation, the only solution for this conflict is to talk with your opponent and try to negotiate to solve your problems.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6904
How can you guys continue arguing this and not feel the need to puke? You've already discussed this 100 times over. There's nothing new here.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-06 14:31:31)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6796|Long Island, New York

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

How can you guys continue arguing this and not feel the need to puke? You've already discussed this 100 times over. There's nothing new here.
Lisik likes to beat the horse even after it's dead. Then again so do many others.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6839|SE London

Lisik wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Lisik wrote:


this video is good made, but the problem that jews did not left Israel after Romans and crusaders! and another problem that all who lived on that are since Romans and crusaders(bedues or kurds for example), did not remember the great nation of Palestinians... anyone here was in Negev desert(were Palestinians kasams today falls) and saw Bedouin? bedues serve in idf and also kill Palestinian terrorists, because they don't know who the hell is "grates nation of Palestine"!


and i do not support kids and woman killings, but when u got AK fire from the house and the only way to get inside its to use grenade.... rush inside and find dead kid.... its pretty unfair when they say that kid was bloody murdered by israeli wars machine.

its known... no terrorists - no war machines!
And the assasinations and bombings by Zionists that led to the establishment of Israel as a state, they were what? Not acts of terrorism, surely?
its looks like forgot a small parth of your own history! u promis jews u will help, and then u run for arabs oil... so who u think will defend on jews? borat? he did! his mother still living in north of israel!
I assume you are talking about the Balfour declaration. Which was horrendously abused by Jewish immigrants, who misinterpreted it. Not that it was difficult to misinterpret, only being about 3 lines long.
The Balfour declaration allowed Jews to immigrate to Palestine provided that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". The civil rights of the existing non-Jewish communities were infringed upon, so the Jewish settlers should, under the terms of the declaration, have lost all rights to the land. They did not and when tighter restrictions were placed upon Jewish immigration in 1939, they were most displeased and ignored the restrictions, immigrating illegally.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6818

mafia996630 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
Those kids should be at home bieng taught by their mother. Not on the streets.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6818
Why do you people even argue with Lisik. You all cry for palestinians yet none of you are palestinian. Non of you could ever possibbly understand what it  is to be either Israeli or Palestinian. Yet you bash this poor kid who lives with the threat of death everyday. A real threat. Not non of this "Well. I've been there so I know."
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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rawls2 wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
Those kids should be at home bieng taught by their mother. Not on the streets.
1. Mother is probably dead
2. Mother probably don't know shit anyway
3. Mother probably prefers her kids to fight the invaders rather then learn maths
4. Kid probably wants revenge for the death of his father/brother/relative

Last edited by mafia996630 (2006-11-06 15:12:02)

rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6818
Looks like Palestinian's have bigger problems than Israel by your outlook.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6813

rawls2 wrote:

Why do you people even argue with Lisik. You all cry for palestinians yet none of you are palestinian. Non of you could ever possibbly understand what it  is to be either Israeli or Palestinian. Yet you bash this poor kid who lives with the threat of death everyday. A real threat. Not non of this "Well. I've been there so I know."
Life for the likes of JahManRed and IG-Calibre in Northern Ireland probably wasn't exactly a picnic. I would be familiar with the shit in the north myself, plus I got a small glimpse of what is like when I went to Palestine & Israel. But you're right: we are worlds apart from them in understanding how shitty their lives must be.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-11-06 15:45:40)

SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6799|Omaha, Nebraska!

Lisik wrote:

Jews don't upset me though
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

rawls2 wrote:

Why do you people even argue with Lisik. You all cry for palestinians yet none of you are palestinian. Non of you could ever possibbly understand what it  is to be either Israeli or Palestinian. Yet you bash this poor kid who lives with the threat of death everyday. A real threat. Not non of this "Well. I've been there so I know."
Then Americans talk about America, Irish talk about Ireland, French's talk about France, Israelis talk about Israel and so on.  No debate at all.
This guy is living in Israel, not in Palestine, so he's doing better than any Palestinian for sure.  And you know what he is not even right.  I respect Judaism as a religion, most of my family is Jewish, but I hate Zionists and how they make life miserable to Palestinians.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7030|PNW

PBAsydney wrote:

Anybody else noticed the BM-13 from the BF1942 intro movie?
I noticed quite a few images from various games.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6828|Portland, OR, USA
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6819
Can't Lisik be banned for spam or something?  He keeps making these topics over and over again.
Point&Shoot
Tank Whore
+52|6805|Canada
One would think the internet an amazing invention allowing the free flow of ideas and information.

But it still doesn't make the truth any clearer.  I'm sure if you went to Palestine or Israel and lived on each side for a year, you still wouldn't know what the truth is.

Kids throw rocks at Israel's soldiers...kids get shot.
Israel tries to enforce peace in Palestine...Hamas bombs Israel's civilians.
etc...

No matter what side you argue for, there will always be evidence to the contrary, and evidence to support your argument.

If you pick a side you only add fuel to a bloody situation with no peaceful resolution.

Learn something from the US, stay out of other people's problems.  Of course the US has yet to learn that, but we could learn from their mistakes.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6819
Israel doesn't try to enforce peace in Palestine: they try to suppress resistance.  There's a difference.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7030|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

Can't Lisik be banned for spam or something?  He keeps making these topics over and over again.
Ban people on that and you'd have to shut down half of DST for spammed hate-america/hate-arab/hate-gun/hate-religion nonsense.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6819
How many people have opened up consecutive topics on the same subject (with the possible exception of Ikarti who's been banned anyway).  Not many.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7030|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

How many people have opened up consecutive topics on the same subject (with the possible exception of Ikarti who's been banned anyway).  Not many.
Would you be of the same opinion if Lisik was a trod-upon Palestinian?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-11-06 22:38:28)

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