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2006-11-06 10:08:36
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

[youte]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HaW_aIyqp0[/youtu]
Damn, look how brave was the lady who was trying to stand between the fire. And those kids need to be introduced to Spongebob. Maybe that will get them off the streets .

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-06 10:08:59)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-11-06 10:14:08
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6815|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

It's not that clear why there's hate from the video.  Can you explain?
2006-11-06 10:18:21
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6828
That video is old and has been posted before.

All I can say is L...O...L. That guy sounds like he needs to go out and have some fun. He seems to have developed a bit of a persecution complex. I'd fully support his defence of his nation if his nation was in East Germany. I'd support his defence of his nation if he was speaking of a nation along the 1948 Israel borders (although I would expect them to recompense those expelled from their homes and farms). Typical arrogance and intransigence from a dyed-in-the-wool Zionist. If he wants to bulldoze peoples homes, collectively punish people, intern people without charge or trial or steal the property and possessions of others then I have NO sympathy for him and as he put it 'could not care less' about him. People like him give decent reasonable Israelis a bad name.

The bottom line is crime does not legitimise retaliatory crime. FULL STOP.

PS Guess what? 1967 is of ZERO relevance to whatever it is he seems to be making a point about, as we have gone through TIME and TIME AGAIN (ad infinitum)...

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2006-11-06 10:24:33
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

It's not that clear why there's hate from the video.  Can you explain?
If you don't get it there's no need to explain anyway.  I would post other videos with explicit images but I don't want a ban.
2006-11-06 10:26:29
CameronPoe
Member
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sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.
It's not that clear why there's hate from the video.  Can you explain?
If you don't get it there's no need to explain anyway.  I would post other videos with explicit images but I don't want a ban.
Good call. We don't want another Ikarti-style ban on our hands. There are gruesome vids out there on both sides of the conflict.

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2006-11-06 10:34:29
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
2006-11-06 10:35:49
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

mafia996630 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
This is a light video, if you know what I mean.
2006-11-06 10:38:15
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7036|d

sergeriver wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I searched for some movies about the life Palestinians are having, but most of them are a bit hard to stand.  This one is not explicit at all, but you can figure why Palestinians hate Israel.

THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
This is a light video, if you know what I mean.
sadly, i do know wot u mean. Them other vids bring tears to my eyes man :'(.
2006-11-06 10:41:54
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

mafia996630 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


THEm LITTLE KIDS SHOULD BE SHOT FOR THROWING STONES AT TANKS, o shit, they do get shot. :s ?.
This is a light video, if you know what I mean.
sadly, i do know wot u mean. Them other vids bring tears to my eyes man :'(.
But still you have people asking to explain what's wrong in this video.
2006-11-06 10:44:52
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6815|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

If you don't get it there's no need to explain anyway.  I would post other videos with explicit images but I don't want a ban.
Ok, since you won't what I see is:
1) Kids throwing rocks and firebombs on Israelis
2) Israelis retailiating
3) Blowing up a house
4) Enforcing curfew

Comments:
1) Are you saying kids should be allowed to throw rocks/bombs at police enforcing a curfew?
2) Israelis are policing an area, and shooting at kids who are doing #1.
3) Why was the house blown up?  It's never explained...so is the reason because they are Palestian or is there another reason?  The assumption is that they are doing it to piss off the Palestians...but is that what happened?

So, although I understand your point, Palestians are living in a jail...but the video doesn't show an example of the perfect reason why "hating the Israelis" is understandable.  It also doesn't explain why the Palestians are allowing harrassment of the Israeli police force, where they are, or why they are there.  So, just as Lisik publishes a propaganda piece, so have you...but the flaw is that in the video you chose, is the violence isn't ONE SIDED.

What I'm saying is you should have posted something a little more definitive as proof to make it absolutely clear...rather than showing a video arguing that the Israeli police harrassment should be allowed.

About Lisik's video...the accent on that guy is hilarious.

Last edited by Pug (2006-11-06 10:46:10)

2006-11-06 10:47:32
CameronPoe
Member
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Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

If you don't get it there's no need to explain anyway.  I would post other videos with explicit images but I don't want a ban.
Ok, since you won't what I see is:
1) Kids throwing rocks and firebombs on Israelis
2) Israelis retailiating
3) Blowing up a house
4) Enforcing curfew

Comments:
1) Are you saying kids should be allowed to throw rocks/bombs at police enforcing a curfew?
2) Israelis are policing an area, and shooting at kills who are doing #1.
3) Why was the house blown up?  It's never explained...so is the reason because they are Palestian or is there another reason?  The assumption is that they are doing it to piss off the Palestians...but is that what happened?

So, although I understand your point, Palestians are living in a jail...but the video doesn't show an example of the perfect reason why "hating the Israelis" is understandable.  It also doesn't explain why the Palestians are allowing harrassment of the Israeli police force, where they are, or why they are there.  So, just as Lisik publishes a propaganda piece, so have you...but the flaw is that in the video you chose, is the violence isn't ONE SIDED.

What I'm saying is you should have posted something a little more definitive as proof to make it absolutely clear...rather than showing a video arguing that the Israeli police harrassment should be allowed.

About Lisik's video...the accent on that guy is hilarious.
Pug. As a teenager in an empoverished region of Texas under hypothetical Chinese occupation might you concede that it is possible that you would take to throwing stones at the soldiers of the invasion force? They do in Northern Ireland. It doesn't warrant a bullet wound up there....

PS You're right - the violence isn't one-sided, it's lopsided.

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2006-11-06 10:53:53
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6815|Texas - Bigger than France
True, but do you think you'd keep you're kids off the streets?  Personally, I wouldn't be in the streets nor would I allow my kids out throwing stones and FIREBOMBS at the police.

A second question:
Is it possible that the Palestinians are worse off because outside influences have not allowed the opportunity for peace to pervail?

Isn't blame a two way street?
2006-11-06 10:54:24
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6803|The lunar module
Oy vey.

Defendant: 'Dear Judge, I've been beaten, abused and cursed upon since I was a small child. Don't you see that THE BASTARDS HAD IT COMING?'

Judge: 'Is this an insanity plea?'

Oy Vey.
2006-11-06 10:58:30
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6828

Pug wrote:

True, but do you think you'd keep you're kids off the streets?  Personally, I wouldn't be in the streets nor would I allow my kids out throwing stones and FIREBOMBS at the police.

A second question:
Is it possible that the Palestinians are worse off because outside influences have not allowed the opportunity for peace to pervail?

Isn't blame a two way street?
I don't follow. Outside influences? And yes the whole of the middle east is one BIG blame game.
2006-11-06 11:02:44
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|6948|Belgium
No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)




Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
2006-11-06 11:05:25
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

May I make suggestion for multiple youtube vids? Please just post the links. If this trend continues it will lagg the pages down. Especially when the video's are being quoted. (When you quote the vids take a letter out of the bbcode to ensure they don't keep popping up in ppl's faces.)

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-06 11:05:50)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-11-06 11:10:53
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7030|Argentina

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)




Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
Beautiful movie.  Free Palestine.  +1.
2006-11-06 11:15:02
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6854|SE London

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
Nice vid. I didn't know that about the Palestinian fields becoming Israeli property if they don't plow them.
2006-11-06 11:17:38
CameronPoe
Member
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Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
Nice simple explanatory video (if a little obviously biased). +1
2006-11-06 11:19:18
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6815|Texas - Bigger than France
Outside influences - Islamic radicals, fighting for the Palestinians instead of diplomacy.  About the US supply efforts...difficult situation, because we can't leave 'em hanging, but we shouldn't have been tolerating what we have already.

What I'm saying is:
-The Israelis shouldn't be shooting at kids if they believe it will be quelling violence.  It does not do anything except make their job harder.
-The kids should not be throwing anything at the Israelis.  There is plenty of people who are armed in the region that handle this function for them.
-The people in the region are told not to break curfew, and it's common sense not to provoke the police.

So don't tell me it's okay to have kids in the streets throwing stuff at the police, with the argument that they can't be blamed for it.  They understand there is possible repercussions of what they are doing.

I'm not seeing anything in the video except the results of breaking curfew and provocation.  It doesn't prove or disprove the idea why Israelis are hated.
2006-11-06 11:24:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6874|132 and Bush

Whoa!! Wou want to talk about weird as hell. I just posted this before this story broke.

Kmarion wrote:

Damn, look how brave was the lady who was trying to stand between the fire..
(Top of this page)
Israeli troops kill 2 women in GazaBEIT HANOUN, Gaza (Reuters) - Israeli troops shot and killed two Palestinian women acting as human shields between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen during a clash at a Gaza mosque on Friday, witnesses said, before the gunmen escaped.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&a … east_dc_38

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-06 11:25:04)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-11-06 11:28:20
Lisik
Member
+74|6773|Israel

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUfB00Lo5s[/yotube]

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
this video is good made, but the problem that jews did not left Israel after Romans and crusaders! and another problem that all who lived on that are since Romans and crusaders(bedues or kurds for example), did not remember the great nation of Palestinians... anyone here was in Negev desert(were Palestinians kasams today falls) and saw Bedouin? bedues serve in idf and also kill Palestinian terrorists, because they don't know who the hell is "grates nation of Palestine"!


and i do not support kids and woman killings, but when u got AK fire from the house and the only way to get inside its to use grenade.... rush inside and find dead kid.... its pretty unfair when they say that kid was bloody murdered by israeli wars machine.

its known... no terrorists - no war machines!
2006-11-06 11:29:45
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6815|Texas - Bigger than France

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
Ok, that's makes more sense for hating the Israeli's than a video of street violence.  Thanks.
2006-11-06 11:31:59
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6854|SE London

Lisik wrote:

Pierre wrote:

No blood here, only tears... (Pug, also an answer to your question)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUfB00Lo5s[/yotube]

Lisik, and others, try to understand that hate only reproduces more hate, violence only creates more violence. 

Also understand that people who have nearly nothing, who's kids don't have a normal education, who have to live their daily lifes in constant fear, who've seen their parents and grandparents in the same situation and see no changes in the future, have nothing to loose and are ready to accept anything, even death.

Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians support Hamas, and voted them in Parliament?
this video is good made, but the problem that jews did not left Israel after Romans and crusaders! and another problem that all who lived on that are since Romans and crusaders(bedues or kurds for example), did not remember the great nation of Palestinians... anyone here was in Negev desert(were Palestinians kasams today falls) and saw Bedouin? bedues serve in idf and also kill Palestinian terrorists, because they don't know who the hell is "grates nation of Palestine"!


and i do not support kids and woman killings, but when u got AK fire from the house and the only way to get inside its to use grenade.... rush inside and find dead kid.... its pretty unfair when they say that kid was bloody murdered by israeli wars machine.

its known... no terrorists - no war machines!
And the assasinations and bombings by Zionists that led to the establishment of Israel as a state, they were what? Not acts of terrorism, surely?
2006-11-06 11:36:10
Yaocelotl
:D
+221|6923|Keyboard
As I'm seing things, jews are like shit, they exist but nobody wants them around lol

 

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