BF2S Forums Resolved: The US saved Western Europe with the Marshall Plan.

Ireland didn't benefit from no Marshsall plan.

CameronPoe wrote:

Ireland didn't benefit from no Marshsall plan.

Except for $133 million in 1947 dollars. That's $1.26 billion in today's dollars. Interest free. But I can't imagine how they would have benefited from it.

DesertFox423 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Ireland didn't benefit from no Marshsall plan.

How did it not benefit from recieving $133 million?

Don't force Cameronpoe to admit the generosity of America, and CERTAINY don't force him to admit Ireland accepted aid from America.

Also the OP is strictly speaking incorrect because, despite the fact the Americans were very generous, the contributions from them did not alone 'preserve Western European society and culture' - the hard work and spirit of rebirth of Europeans took Europe forward as well. Europeans had to be at least as repsonsible as the Americans for the preservation of their culture and society. The Americans helped but they were not solely responsible. As such the OP is too narrowly defined. If you stated it as: ' THe Marshall Plan helped Europe greatly in recoveing from the carnage of WWII' then I would have no problem voting for 'In Favour' but unfortunately you didn't.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-11-05 09:25:28)

I agree with POE on everything he said, nice one.

commissargizz wrote:

I agree with POE on everything he said, nice one.

ummmmmmm even that part where Cam says Ireland was not involved in the Marshall Plan?...........Do yourself a favor don't follow him over a cliff.........Ireland accepted 133 million bucks from that plan.....very easy t ofind if you wanna look it up.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

commissargizz wrote:

I agree with POE on everything he said, nice one.

ummmmmmm even that part where Cam says Ireland was not involved in the Marshall Plan?...........Do yourself a favor don't follow him over a cliff.........Ireland accepted 133 million bucks from that plan.....very easy t ofind if you wanna look it up.

My mistake we did receive some aid yes and thank you. I find it odd given that nothing had to be 'reconstructed' given that we didn't take part in WWII.

Yes, that is very interesting indeed.  Almost as interesting as to why your country accepted it if it didn't need it.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

commissargizz wrote:

I agree with POE on everything he said, nice one.

ummmmmmm even that part where Cam says Ireland was not involved in the Marshall Plan?...........Do yourself a favor don't follow him over a cliff.........Ireland accepted 133 million bucks from that plan.....very easy t ofind if you wanna look it up.

My mistake we did receive some aid yes and thank you. I find it odd given that nothing had to be 'reconstructed' given that we didn't take part in WWII.

I think I just had an aneurysm!!!  I cant believe what I am reading.

Havok wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

ummmmmmm even that part where Cam says Ireland was not involved in the Marshall Plan?...........Do yourself a favor don't follow him over a cliff.........Ireland accepted 133 million bucks from that plan.....very easy t ofind if you wanna look it up.

My mistake we did receive some aid yes and thank you. I find it odd given that nothing had to be 'reconstructed' given that we didn't take part in WWII.

Yes, that is very interesting indeed.  Almost as interesting as to why your country accepted it if it didn't need it.

Hey - would you turn down free money from someone for reasons unspecified?

CameronPoe wrote:

Havok wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

My mistake we did receive some aid yes and thank you. I find it odd given that nothing had to be 'reconstructed' given that we didn't take part in WWII.

Yes, that is very interesting indeed.  Almost as interesting as to why your country accepted it if it didn't need it.

Hey - would you turn down free money from someone for reasons unspecified?

Reasons unspecified?  You admitted yourself that it was for reconstruction!
EDIT: And even if it was unspecified, the least you could do is stop bitching that the US never helped your country.

Last edited by Havok (2006-11-05 10:54:09)

CameronPoe wrote:

The Marshall Plan didn't have anything to do with Ireland. Simple as. The rest of Europe yes. Ireland no.

How can you say that after he just proved that we gave you 1.26billion dollars of todays money in 1947. Exactly how didnt that help or involve you?

"The Marshall Plan (from its enactment, officially the European Recovery Program (ERP)) was the primary plan of the United States for rebuilding the allied countries of Europe and repelling communism after World War II. The initiative was named for United States Secretary of State George Marshall and was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan.

The reconstruction plan was developed at a meeting of the participating European states in July 1947. The Marshall Plan offered the same aid to the Soviet Union and its allies, if they would make political reforms and accept certain outside controls. In fact, America worried that the Soviet Union would take advantage of the plan and therefore made the terms deliberately hard for the USSR to accept. The plan was in operation for four fiscal years beginning in July 1947. During that period some $13 billion of economic and technical assistance—equivalent to around $130 billion in 2006—was given to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.

By the time the plan had come to completion, the economy of every participant state, with the exception of Germany, had grown well past pre-war levels. Over the next two decades, Western Europe as a whole would enjoy unprecedented growth and prosperity. The Marshall Plan has also long been seen as one of the first elements of European integration, as it erased tariff trade barriers and set up institutions to coordinate the economy on a continental level. An intended consequence was the systematic adoption of American managerial techniques.

In recent years historians have questioned both the underlying motivation and the overall effectiveness of the Marshall Plan. Some historians now believe that the benefits of the Marshall Plan actually were the result of new laissez faire policies that allowed for markets to stabilize through economic growth. Furthermore, some criticize the plan for establishing a precedent of solving the problem of failing economies abroad by offering aid from US taxpayers."

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_plan)

Quid pro quo.

Last edited by Pierre (2006-11-06 02:12:39)