Because the brits always get my attention with their US verbal attacks.ghettoperson wrote:
What do the Brits have to do with half the ME attempting to make some nukes?SoC./Omega wrote:
If we start bombing the brits and the rest of the world will say "ZOMG THE US ARE SUCH ASSHOLES TO ATTACK MORE PEOPLE, THEY ARE AN EVIL NATION!"ATG wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html
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Oh yes, backwards nations with nukes. Is this a result of our inability to restore order in Iraq or a natural progression?
Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or announce we begin bombing in 48 hours?
Poll
Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or start bombing now?
| U.S. shouldn't say anything about others nukes | 31% | 31% - 40 | ||||
| The U.N. should provide warheads to those who want them | 2% | 2% - 3 | ||||
| We should just nuke them now. | 25% | 25% - 33 | ||||
| We should cease all foreign aid and fund Star Wars | 40% | 40% - 51 | ||||
| Total: 127 | ||||||
It's pretty hard to defend Wthanks_champ wrote:
And pre-emptively attacking them, or threatening to will only give them more reason. The sooner people realise that you can't defeat terrorism with conventional warfare the better off we will be. Conventional warfare causes more terrorism. Just look at the escalating number of terrorist attacks across the globe, and the mess in Iraq.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blaim on if they do so.
Going in gung ho as America does all too often just doesn't work. As George Bush so eloquently put it...
"Fool me once, shame on...... shame on... you..... fool me twice........ um...... well, you aint gonna fool me again!". If he can't remember the saying, he hasn't got a hope in hell of understanding it's lesson.
Oh ok.SoC./Omega wrote:
Because the brits always get my attention with their US verbal attacks.ghettoperson wrote:
What do the Brits have to do with half the ME attempting to make some nukes?SoC./Omega wrote:
If we start bombing the brits and the rest of the world will say "ZOMG THE US ARE SUCH ASSHOLES TO ATTACK MORE PEOPLE, THEY ARE AN EVIL NATION!"
Fuck the US, fuck Bush, fuck you, fuck your foreign policy, etc etc.
True... but that's when we take the neocon approach and nuke the shit out of Iran.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
It is not that simple. Iran can claim they played no part in it (such as claiming it was stolen, etc), since it would be terrorists that carry out the attack. Let's say China attacks us with a Russian-made nuclear weapon. We aren't going to blame Russia, we are going to blame China. However, terrorists make it very difficult to accurately place the blame on the correct party.Masques wrote:
They can, but if they do then it'll be obvious where they came from. Radiation signatures can be pinpointed and we can tell where the nuclear material originated.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Wake up, buddy. If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blame on if they do so.
The problem with neocons is that their outlook is only worthwhile when things have completely gone to shit. Nuking a country outright is never a good idea unless something like what you described has happened. Then, I understand why you would want to nuke them.
Nuking them now in the assumption that the above will happen is just basically a convenient form of genocide.
ATG: "This is what will happen if we don't get serious with Iran and N.K."
ATG could you tell us what you mean by "getting serious with Iran and N.K."?
It's clear from Iraq that talking and acting tough without having a well-thought-out, clear plan not only doesn't work, it makes the problem worse.
ATG could you tell us what you mean by "getting serious with Iran and N.K."?
It's clear from Iraq that talking and acting tough without having a well-thought-out, clear plan not only doesn't work, it makes the problem worse.
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
If I had a say in in, I would say the US shouldn't be nice anymore, I am not a fan of being nice. I am a fan of blowing someones head off if they threaten you or are stupid(aka they threaten you). Darwinian process for the fucking win. Star Wars program restarted, Immediately, fuck the ISS, military build up. Cut the stupid idiots out of the government who dont do shit except sit there with a thumb up there ass and cause problems for the people out in the field doing the work. Iraq? More troops, put 300k troops there and wipe the country, literally wipe the country, blow the head off of every single fucking terrorist there, then break it up into 3 different proveniences, one for the Kurd, one for the Sunni, and one for the Shiite. If you want to spend money on foreign aid, great do it, but do it with your own PRIVATE money, not some governments money so it is a portion of the GDP that we are losing on bum fuck Africa, keep the wealth inside the country.
You do know that the only reason the Cold War didnt get hot was because of nukes right? Jesus Christ man, I used to like you but you keep saying stupider and stupider things all the time.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
whats real funny is.. when they do get nukes and use it on some nation. the whole world is going to come running to the US for more assistance!! who else is going to help... the UN? no matter how much the world hates the US they still need a watchdog to keep things in check. I dont see any other nations stepping up! naw they just sit back and criticize... hoping and praying that the terrorists wont be at there door next.
Cold war? You are living in the past. Right now, everyone can have a nuke and it's not a safe picture. Forgive me for saying such stupid things.Commie Killer wrote:
You do know that the only reason the Cold War didnt get hot was because of nukes right? Jesus Christ man, I used to like you but you keep saying stupider and stupider things all the time.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
Some countries need nukes incase of nuclear war, if you had none it wouldnt be very good to be wiped out.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
Not every country can be trusted to just throw away their nukes.
The same problem again, the UN is worthless and useless, but with an organization working to achieve its goals we should be able to trust.SoC./Omega wrote:
Some countries need nukes incase of nuclear war, if you had none it wouldnt be very good to be wiped out.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
Not every country can be trusted to just throw away their nukes.
Im sorry to say the following but why does america think that they are leading the world ?
That they can do anything ?
Only they can have nukes nobody else ?
Wtf ?
Usa should stop thinking like we are the worlds leadership or something like this...get rid of this and forget it.
Dont make more conflicts likea llways.
Assault on Iraq yeah ofc fighting against the dictator Saddam...yeah yeah and why ? Because there is something what the leadership wants...its called black gold (oil)
If america is the best and the justice and helps everyone why didnt they helped Hungary in 1956 when the nation was fighting for his freedom against the communists ??
America or the whole europe just said: good luck and no help...why ?
There was nothing what useful or good for them...if Hungary had Oil i bet Usa would help us in 1956.
After the revolution fail because 200.000 russian soldiers and more then 2000 russian tanks fighted against us in Budapest the communist dictator killed thousands...
A lot of Hungarians emigrated to other countrys like the Usa.
So sorry again but this is a fact..
That they can do anything ?
Only they can have nukes nobody else ?
Wtf ?
Usa should stop thinking like we are the worlds leadership or something like this...get rid of this and forget it.
Dont make more conflicts likea llways.
Assault on Iraq yeah ofc fighting against the dictator Saddam...yeah yeah and why ? Because there is something what the leadership wants...its called black gold (oil)
If america is the best and the justice and helps everyone why didnt they helped Hungary in 1956 when the nation was fighting for his freedom against the communists ??
America or the whole europe just said: good luck and no help...why ?
There was nothing what useful or good for them...if Hungary had Oil i bet Usa would help us in 1956.
After the revolution fail because 200.000 russian soldiers and more then 2000 russian tanks fighted against us in Budapest the communist dictator killed thousands...
A lot of Hungarians emigrated to other countrys like the Usa.
So sorry again but this is a fact..
We should begin a naval blockcade on N.K.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
ATG: "This is what will happen if we don't get serious with Iran and N.K."
ATG could you tell us what you mean by "getting serious with Iran and N.K."?
It's clear from Iraq that talking and acting tough without having a well-thought-out, clear plan not only doesn't work, it makes the problem worse.
We should consider offering a huge reward for the destruction of Irans facilities, or bunker bust 'em if they don't come clean.
The U.S. should announce its abandonment of nuclear arms under the condition that they be outlaws worldwide.
Well venom, in 1959 USA was already pouring billions of dollars in bringing up the German economy. Well, probably the reason why the USA couldn't helped is that if they crossed the iron curtain it might bring up a nuclear war and end the world.
I hear Al Quida is recruiting in Baghdad. Care to make the trip? After converting to Islam, you'll fit right in.Commie Killer wrote:
If I had a say in in, I would say the US shouldn't be nice anymore, I am not a fan of being nice. I am a fan of blowing someones head off if they threaten you or are stupid(aka they threaten you). Darwinian process for the fucking win. Star Wars program restarted, Immediately, fuck the ISS, military build up. Cut the stupid idiots out of the government who dont do shit except sit there with a thumb up there ass and cause problems for the people out in the field doing the work. Iraq? More troops, put 300k troops there and wipe the country, literally wipe the country, blow the head off of every single fucking terrorist there, then break it up into 3 different proveniences, one for the Kurd, one for the Sunni, and one for the Shiite. If you want to spend money on foreign aid, great do it, but do it with your own PRIVATE money, not some governments money so it is a portion of the GDP that we are losing on bum fuck Africa, keep the wealth inside the country.
I'd rather see this scenario occur than have the world hate us for the interim.nem420hunter wrote:
whats real funny is.. when they do get nukes and use it on some nation. the whole world is going to come running to the US for more assistance!! who else is going to help... the UN? no matter how much the world hates the US they still need a watchdog to keep things in check. I dont see any other nations stepping up! naw they just sit back and criticize... hoping and praying that the terrorists wont be at there door next.
WW2.Turquoise wrote:
I'd rather see this scenario occur than have the world hate us for the interim.nem420hunter wrote:
whats real funny is.. when they do get nukes and use it on some nation. the whole world is going to come running to the US for more assistance!! who else is going to help... the UN? no matter how much the world hates the US they still need a watchdog to keep things in check. I dont see any other nations stepping up! naw they just sit back and criticize... hoping and praying that the terrorists wont be at there door next.
I'm sure Iran feels the same way, which is why it's hypocritical for us to condemn their nuclear program.SoC./Omega wrote:
Some countries need nukes incase of nuclear war, if you had none it wouldnt be very good to be wiped out.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
Not every country can be trusted to just throw away their nukes.
Most definitely... and if you'll notice, we were on top afterwards. When it really comes down to that kind of warfare, America usually comes out the best. Whereas imperialism and nation building are usually things that destroy a nation (like how Iraq is sucking us dry).cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
WW2.Turquoise wrote:
I'd rather see this scenario occur than have the world hate us for the interim.nem420hunter wrote:
whats real funny is.. when they do get nukes and use it on some nation. the whole world is going to come running to the US for more assistance!! who else is going to help... the UN? no matter how much the world hates the US they still need a watchdog to keep things in check. I dont see any other nations stepping up! naw they just sit back and criticize... hoping and praying that the terrorists wont be at there door next.
Nukes are here to stay. No blockade, bombardment, or international agreement will rid the world of them. This is why more and more countries are trying to get them.ATG wrote:
The U.S. should announce its abandonment of nuclear arms under the condition that they be outlaws worldwide.
I can't believe you support them when they have a clear threat to you by supplying nukes to terrorists.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure Iran feels the same way, which is why it's hypocritical for us to condemn their nuclear program.SoC./Omega wrote:
Some countries need nukes incase of nuclear war, if you had none it wouldnt be very good to be wiped out.sergeriver wrote:
Nukes should be banned for every country in the world, US included. You can't accuse someone of doing the same thing you do.
Not every country can be trusted to just throw away their nukes.
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Good point about backwards nations, btw based on that why does America have nukes? jkATG wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html
http://i12.tinypic.com/2nrn250.gif
Oh yes, backwards nations with nukes. Is this a result of our inability to restore order in Iraq or a natural progression?
Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or announce we begin bombing in 48 hours?
none of those countries since the USSR has been communist, a know supplier of terrorists, and in the axis of evil! rofl at axis of evil.-=raska=- wrote:
I voted A
The US intervention in Irak is now a mess.. And I dont want that to be repeated in Iran. I dont think it will nuke USA. Many countries have the nuclear bomb since the cold war and there hasnt been any launch. I think its more a psychological weapon.
But seriously NK and iran are both deadly scary. Russia is starting new talks with egypt, who was their ally back in the day, anti-US.
im scared shitless. we will most likely blow ourseleves up within the next 10 years unless someone steps up to the plate and does something about it.