Poll

Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or start bombing now?

U.S. shouldn't say anything about others nukes31%31% - 40
The U.N. should provide warheads to those who want them2%2% - 3
We should just nuke them now.25%25% - 33
We should cease all foreign aid and fund Star Wars40%40% - 51
Total: 127
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6801|Global Command
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, … 48,00.html


https://i12.tinypic.com/2nrn250.gif

Oh yes, backwards nations with nukes. Is this a result of our inability to restore order in Iraq or a natural progression?

Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or announce we begin bombing in 48 hours?
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6694|San Antonio, TX
Funding Star Wars would not be enough because you can't assume a terrorsit isn't going to "roll" the nuke accross a border.  It would be nice if there were a way we could just let one of them have one just so we could eventually say "told you so".  But sadly, us being the big villain here, we would more than likely be the target.
SpanktorTheGreat
Bringer of slight pain and mild discomfort.
+1|7087
Iran won't be bothered because the American government needs Iran for their oil pipeline now that the one to be built through Afghanistan is out of the question. North Korea won't be dealt with to quickly because the American government needs it's citizens, South Korea and Japan to be scared so that an American military presence is desired there, because of China.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7028|United States of America
Nuke them. Then we won't have to lose soldiers from our country.
[RDH]Warlord
Quakecon Attendee
+17|6931|SLC, Utah, USA
It's MAD, people.  If a nuke did go off in the US, you'd be assured that the country and all responsible would be gone.  I doubt nuklear retaliation, but imagine all the world armies attacking at once.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6900|IRELAND

American created and used the fucking nukes in the first place and escalated an arms race which nearly brought the planet to total destruction. Causing a hundred satellite wars using other poor countries to do their dirty work. You armed Israel with nukes, destabilizing a whole region and now you think you can dictate to other countries who are only responding to the USA's blatant aggression by getting hold of them too. America basically created a list of potential nuclear nations by drafting up a list, the Axis of Evil, a pretext to invade.
Get over yourselves for fuck sakes. Take about calling the kettle black!!
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6918

JahManRed wrote:

American created and used the fucking nukes in the first place and escalated an arms race which nearly brought the planet to total destruction. Causing a hundred satellite wars using other poor countries to do their dirty work. You armed Israel with nukes, destabilizing a whole region and now you think you can dictate to other countries who are only responding to the USA's blatant aggression by getting hold of them too. America basically created a list of potential nuclear nations by drafting up a list, the Axis of Evil, a pretext to invade.
Get over yourselves for fuck sakes. Take about calling the kettle black!!

Miller wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

I can't wait for the influx of morons who say the US is intentionally arming the insurgency.
The waiting is over!!! You may or may not have armed them, but you trained them.
Trained them? WTF is this?  We don't have people over there helping in the terrorist training camps.  I don't know how you got that we were training them.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6801|Global Command
I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6767

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6918

jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/deathbym0nkeyz/racecard.jpg

Generalizations? Stop trying to be "PC", it is no longer just a "generalization". Can I ask you a question, jonsimon? Do actually believe some of the outlandish things you say, or do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-04 10:20:56)

-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6898|Quebec city, Canada
I voted A

The US intervention in Irak is now a mess.. And I dont want that to be repeated in Iran. I dont think it will nuke USA. Many countries have the nuclear bomb since the cold war and there hasnt been any launch. I think its more a psychological weapon.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6918

-=raska=- wrote:

I voted A

The US intervention in Irak is now a mess.. And I dont want that to be repeated in Iran. I dont think it will nuke USA. Many countries have the nuclear bomb since the cold war and there hasnt been any launch. I think its more a psychological weapon.
Wake up, buddy. If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blame on if they do so.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-04 10:55:28)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6801|Global Command

jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ0bWEnW_WU [/youtube]

Last edited by ATG (2006-11-04 10:34:18)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6677|North Carolina
I had to null vote on this one.  North Korea is fucked up, but not the main threat we face.  We just need to watch them for now.

As for Iran, I think they will likely get nukes, but in a weird sort of way, I think this is a good thing.

Hear me out for a second here.  If you think about it, a lot of the reason why Iran wants nukes is because they fear us attacking them.  However, taking into account that we can reach them with nukes and they can't reach us, then the odds are still in our favor.  Developing nukes in Iran won't take that long, but developing nukes that can actually reach us from Iran is quite another story.

If Iran is allowed to acquire nukes, then they won't be quite as paranoid as they currently are.  They will undoubtedly have more power, but they will also have more liabilities.  They'll have to spend more time guarding their weaponry than in making stupid remarks against Israel.  Ahmadinejad or whoever else is in power will be forced to take a less aggressive tone in the Middle East.

Let's take this a step further, shall we?  Because Iran doesn't currently have nukes, it would look really bad if America nuked them.  People would say that Iran was defenseless against us, so a lot of the world would turn against us if we actually did nuke them at this point.  However, if it became known that they had nukes, then the same sympathy would no longer apply to them.

Basically, we have verified through the recent Lebanese conflict with Israel that both Syria and Iran have been funding or otherwise aiding Hezbollah.  We have verified that both of these countries have supported terror in various forms.  We have the evidence necessary to justify an attack on either of these countries, but we don't have the necessary international support for it.

If Iran was to become a nuclear country, they'd have to stop funding or otherwise supporting Hezbollah, because they would be seen as being powerful enough to be a threat by the rest of the world outright.  At this point, Iran would have a lot to lose with this new prominence in the world.  The liability that is attached to this prominence was best demonstrated by China's recent bitchslap to North Korea.  China basically said to North Korea, "You're a big boy now, and if you keep this shit up, we're going to beat the shit out of you."

The world's responses to Iran would be quite different if they become a nuclear country.  People wouldn't dismiss them as easily as before, and paradoxically, this prominence would allow Iran to start associating with the big players in the nuclear realm.  Ultimately, I think that's what Iran really wants.  They're afraid of America, but simultaneously, they are very patriotic about their own country.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7028|United States of America

jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
I believe he means radicals, not the whole fucking region.

Last edited by Miller (2006-11-04 10:40:41)

Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6918

Miller wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
I believe he means radicals, not the whole fucking region.
Don't try logic and reasoning with jonsimon. It's much easier for him to just yell "that's racist!" and move on.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/deathbym0nkeyz/racist.gif

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-04 10:42:19)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6801|Global Command
" Islamofacist " does mean extremist.

The "Muslim Street "  witnessed in the video link I gave represent Islam as a whole as much as the KKK represents America as a whole.
SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6813|Omaha, Nebraska!

ATG wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html


http://i12.tinypic.com/2nrn250.gif

Oh yes, backwards nations with nukes. Is this a result of our inability to restore order in Iraq or a natural progression?

Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or announce we begin bombing in 48 hours?
If we start bombing the brits and the rest of the world will say "ZOMG THE US ARE SUCH ASSHOLES TO ATTACK MORE PEOPLE, THEY ARE AN EVIL NATION!"
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6994|Eastern PA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Wake up, buddy. If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blaim on if they do so.
They can, but if they do then it'll be obvious where they came from. Radiation signatures can be pinpointed and we can tell where the nuclear material originated.
renejak
Member
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

I suspect more there would be dancing in the muslim street.
But...if we let them have it sooner or later the world will find out what it means to let Islamofacist have a nuke.
The problem with these people as the see a nuclear doomsday scenario as something they want.
Once again more unfounded racist and discriminatory generalizations about muslims from ATG.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/ … cecard.jpg

Generalizations? Stop trying to be "PC", it is no longer just a "generalization". Can I ask you a question, jonsimon? Do actually believe some of the outlandish things you say, or do you just argue for the sake of arguing?
Well said.....just my thought.....................
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6801|Global Command
wow, almost 25% of those voting say nuke their asses now.
Fascinating!
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7028|United States of America
I say nuke everyone but the US. Then no one but libs will complain, and we can handle libs.  We have been for how long?

Last edited by Miller (2006-11-04 10:54:31)

Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6918

Masques wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Wake up, buddy. If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blame on if they do so.
They can, but if they do then it'll be obvious where they came from. Radiation signatures can be pinpointed and we can tell where the nuclear material originated.
It is not that simple. Iran can claim they played no part in it (such as claiming it was stolen, etc), since it would be terrorists that carry out the attack. Let's say China attacks us with a Russian-made nuclear weapon. We aren't going to blame Russia, we are going to blame China. However, terrorists make it very difficult to accurately place the blame on the correct party.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-04 10:55:11)

ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6921

SoC./Omega wrote:

ATG wrote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2436948,00.html


http://i12.tinypic.com/2nrn250.gif

Oh yes, backwards nations with nukes. Is this a result of our inability to restore order in Iraq or a natural progression?

Should the U.S. sit and a let it happen or announce we begin bombing in 48 hours?
If we start bombing the brits and the rest of the world will say "ZOMG THE US ARE SUCH ASSHOLES TO ATTACK MORE PEOPLE, THEY ARE AN EVIL NATION!"
What do the Brits have to do with half the ME attempting to make some nukes?
thanks_champ
Member
+19|6794

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

If Iran gets nukes, they can easily supply them to terrorists (they are a terrorist nation, you know). Terrorists will not hesitate to use nukes and there will be no country to accurately pin the blaim on if they do so.
And pre-emptively attacking them, or threatening to will only give them more reason. The sooner people realise that you can't defeat terrorism with conventional warfare the better off we will be. Conventional warfare causes more terrorism. Just look at the escalating number of terrorist attacks across the globe, and the mess in Iraq.

Going in gung ho as America does all too often just doesn't work. As George Bush so eloquently put it...
"Fool me once, shame on...... shame on... you..... fool me twice........ um...... well, you aint gonna fool me again!". If he can't remember the saying, he hasn't got a hope in hell of understanding it's lesson.

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