Lowing - I'm not saying they do nothing. They do contribute. Don't put words in my mouth.lowing wrote:
I guess now that after you pointed out the US was 22nd on that chart, then found pretty high up the chart all of a sudden is irrelevant.CameronPoe wrote:
LOL my mistake.lowing wrote:
Ummmmmmmmmm CAM???.....that is listed in alphabetical order, pal.
Do you see the non-alphabetical list of 'Adjusted Aid Numbers to Factor Private Contributions' - Ireland is above USA as are about another 15 countries (mainly Euro countries).
http://www.globalissues.org/images/cgd- … ed-aid.png
Yeah you got me, the US does absolutely nothing for the world compared to the great contributions of Finland and Ireland.
From trust wikipedia and a ton of other sites, the cell phone was given credit to Dr. Marty Cooper of Motorola. Chicago.Masques wrote:
Nokia (the world's largest moble phone developer) is Finnish, the first fully automatic moble phone system (MTA) was invented in Sweden in 1956, the first commercial public moble phone network (ARP) was launched in Finland in 1971.lowing wrote:
What exactly are they on the fore front of, in regardes to cell phones?? Ok to that point, the US will keep inventing new technology, you can figure out how to turn it into a phone/radio/cdplayer/mp3 player/camera ass wiper.Masques wrote:
South Africa is poor, not wartorn. I doubt such a country would be hosting the 2010 World Cup.
And as to Cam's point about Finland and technology, he never said they invented the phones, he said they're on the forefront of development. Innovation has lagged seriously in the US for some years now and other countries are leading in things like citizens with graduate degrees (per capita).
The US is definitely going through a period of stagnation.
The US isn't going to be inventing anything if these trends keep up:For example, take the US main battle tank the M1A1 Abrams, its armor (Chobham) was developed in the UK and its main weapon (M256 Smoothbore tank gun) was designed and produced in Germany by Rheinmetall AG. The only things on it that are US made are the powerplant and secondary gun (which was originally designed in WWI). Even the transmission and F240 SAW on the tank were developed in Europe (Germany and Belgium respectively).
No but I didn't say you said that. I said compared to Finland and Ireland.and you DID say that!CameronPoe wrote:
Lowing - I'm not saying they do nothing. They do contribute. Don't put words in my mouth.lowing wrote:
I guess now that after you pointed out the US was 22nd on that chart, then found pretty high up the chart all of a sudden is irrelevant.CameronPoe wrote:
LOL my mistake.
Do you see the non-alphabetical list of 'Adjusted Aid Numbers to Factor Private Contributions' - Ireland is above USA as are about another 15 countries (mainly Euro countries).
http://www.globalissues.org/images/cgd- … ed-aid.png
Yeah you got me, the US does absolutely nothing for the world compared to the great contributions of Finland and Ireland.
He invented the cell phone, but mobile technology (ie ARP and MTA) was around before his invention.lowing wrote:
From trust wikipedia and a ton of other sites, the cell phone was given credit to Dr. Marty Cooper of Motorola. Chicago.Masques wrote:
Nokia (the world's largest moble phone developer) is Finnish, the first fully automatic moble phone system (MTA) was invented in Sweden in 1956, the first commercial public moble phone network (ARP) was launched in Finland in 1971.lowing wrote:
What exactly are they on the fore front of, in regardes to cell phones?? Ok to that point, the US will keep inventing new technology, you can figure out how to turn it into a phone/radio/cdplayer/mp3 player/camera ass wiper.
The US isn't going to be inventing anything if these trends keep up:For example, take the US main battle tank the M1A1 Abrams, its armor (Chobham) was developed in the UK and its main weapon (M256 Smoothbore tank gun) was designed and produced in Germany by Rheinmetall AG. The only things on it that are US made are the powerplant and secondary gun (which was originally designed in WWI). Even the transmission and F240 SAW on the tank were developed in Europe (Germany and Belgium respectively).
Go to page 8 for ARP (Autoradiopuhelin)
This lists Cooper's invention, but it also shows that networks were in place in Europe long before the technology became common in the US
Any thoughts on the US brain drain?
Only comment I have on the US "brain drain" without even reading your sources is............I agree with you.Masques wrote:
He invented the cell phone, but mobile technology (ie ARP and MTA) was around before his invention.lowing wrote:
From trust wikipedia and a ton of other sites, the cell phone was given credit to Dr. Marty Cooper of Motorola. Chicago.Masques wrote:
Nokia (the world's largest moble phone developer) is Finnish, the first fully automatic moble phone system (MTA) was invented in Sweden in 1956, the first commercial public moble phone network (ARP) was launched in Finland in 1971.lowing wrote:
What exactly are they on the fore front of, in regardes to cell phones?? Ok to that point, the US will keep inventing new technology, you can figure out how to turn it into a phone/radio/cdplayer/mp3 player/camera ass wiper.
The US isn't going to be inventing anything if these trends keep up:
For example, take the US main battle tank the M1A1 Abrams, its armor (Chobham) was developed in the UK and its main weapon (M256 Smoothbore tank gun) was designed and produced in Germany by Rheinmetall AG. The only things on it that are US made are the powerplant and secondary gun (which was originally designed in WWI). Even the transmission and F240 SAW on the tank were developed in Europe (Germany and Belgium respectively).
Go to page 8 for ARP (Autoradiopuhelin)
This lists Cooper's invention, but it also shows that networks were in place in Europe long before the technology became common in the US
Any thoughts on the US brain drain?
I have long felt that America is in a moral, technical, and educational tail spin, I really have no idea what can be done about it. I do wonder if our open border policy that has crippled us is also a factor. Since it is no secret that the majority of people flowing into America has no interest in anything except exploiting it without giving back.
Part of the US technical dominance in the post-WWII era specifically came from the government essentially subsidizing university education in science and engineering (and not just through the GI Bill). By the 1970s those programs were largely eliminated and US technical research has suffered as a result.lowing wrote:
Only comment I have on the US "brain drain" without even reading your sources is............I agree with you.Masques wrote:
He invented the cell phone, but mobile technology (ie ARP and MTA) was around before his invention.lowing wrote:
From trust wikipedia and a ton of other sites, the cell phone was given credit to Dr. Marty Cooper of Motorola. Chicago.
Go to page 8 for ARP (Autoradiopuhelin)
This lists Cooper's invention, but it also shows that networks were in place in Europe long before the technology became common in the US
Any thoughts on the US brain drain?
I have long felt that America is in a moral, technical, and educational tail spin, I really have no idea what can be done about it. I do wonder if our open border policy that has crippled us is also a factor. Since it is no secret that the majority of people flowing into America has no interest in anything except exploiting it without giving back.
The often draconian visa requirements instituted after 9-11 I think dissuaded lots of potential students from entering the US (a large percentage of which usually stay after graduation) and now those students are seeking education elsewhere around the world.
Seal the borders...now!lowing wrote:
Only comment I have on the US "brain drain" without even reading your sources is............I agree with you.
I have long felt that America is in a moral, technical, and educational tail spin, I really have no idea what can be done about it. I do wonder if our open border policy that has crippled us is also a factor. Since it is no secret that the majority of people flowing into America has no interest in anything except exploiting it without giving back.
I cant understand for a moment, why one would complain about the images posted with this thread.ATG wrote:
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REMOVED BY BORIS COMPLAINTS RESIVED! Lest we forget. Here but one reason
Jesus Christ, there were no nudity, no maimed bodies, wtf?
I would encourage everyone to have courage and view the world through an unfiltered lense.
Makes sense, but I would like to know how many of those students DO actually stay and contribute to American innovation, or go back home.Masques wrote:
Part of the US technical dominance in the post-WWII era specifically came from the government essentially subsidizing university education in science and engineering (and not just through the GI Bill). By the 1970s those programs were largely eliminated and US technical research has suffered as a result.lowing wrote:
Only comment I have on the US "brain drain" without even reading your sources is............I agree with you.Masques wrote:
He invented the cell phone, but mobile technology (ie ARP and MTA) was around before his invention.
Go to page 8 for ARP (Autoradiopuhelin)
This lists Cooper's invention, but it also shows that networks were in place in Europe long before the technology became common in the US
Any thoughts on the US brain drain?
I have long felt that America is in a moral, technical, and educational tail spin, I really have no idea what can be done about it. I do wonder if our open border policy that has crippled us is also a factor. Since it is no secret that the majority of people flowing into America has no interest in anything except exploiting it without giving back.
The often draconian visa requirements instituted after 9-11 I think dissuaded lots of potential students from entering the US (a large percentage of which usually stay after graduation) and now those students are seeking education elsewhere around the world.
damn I missed it!! what was so offensive??ATG wrote:
I cant understand for a moment, why one would complain about the images posted with this thread.ATG wrote:
REMOVED BY BORIS COMPLAINTS RESIVED!
REMOVED BY BORIS COMPLAINTS RESIVED!
REMOVED BY BORIS COMPLAINTS RESIVED! Lest we forget. Here but one reason
Jesus Christ, there were no nudity, no maimed bodies, wtf?
I would encourage everyone to have courage and view the world through an unfiltered lense.
Iraq is a work of art.
http://i12.tinypic.com/30xiplv.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/1zme8o3.jpg
Lest we forget. Here but one reason.
I seriously don't get it. Perhaps a mod will enlighten me.
the deleting mod said
": 11 year old kids on these boards don't need to see these images. I would arriciate if you would try to apply a level of consistency with your decisions. "
and I mean no disrespect, but wtf are you talking about?
commie chipmunk or recoil complained just because they don't like me I'll wager.
http://i12.tinypic.com/30xiplv.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/1zme8o3.jpg
Lest we forget. Here but one reason.
I seriously don't get it. Perhaps a mod will enlighten me.
the deleting mod said
": 11 year old kids on these boards don't need to see these images. I would arriciate if you would try to apply a level of consistency with your decisions. "
and I mean no disrespect, but wtf are you talking about?
commie chipmunk or recoil complained just because they don't like me I'll wager.
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Ok, tell me which of those have not been developed in the EU?lowing wrote:
Before you say it, the US contributes a lot more to this world than war, think about that the next time you turn the lights out in your house (and get into your car to drive to the gas station to fill up for the trip to the airport while talking on your cell phone to let your wife know you are on the way. Once you get into the airport and sit and work on your computer while you wait to board your airplane to Africa to build a house. Probably using tools to do so, invented in the US as well. On the plane you can talk to the guy next to you about how worthless and selfish the US is, since you are free to do so.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is production of such high tech items as tools in Europe aswell
When WW2 started, Finland was a small and poor country. Our neighbour, the Soviet Union, was not poor and was definately not small.lowing wrote:
Well since the whole world fought for the a free Europe, it could be nice if you helped others do the same when they need it. but hey, that is just me being crazy.Gawwad wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm very pleased about the US making the world a better, safer and free-er place.lowing wrote:
Finland fought in WW2 to basically save their own skins, they didn't do much, if anything for the cause in general. Which would lead me to believe that if attacked Finland would defend its self, just like WW2. Which then leads me to beleive, if 911 occured in Finland it would fight back. Please allow us the same concideration. By all means though, sit back and do nothing to help anyone else. History dictates that is what Finland is best at. I won't hold my breathe for the next big contribution Finland will offer to better the world.
Also, I didn't "miss your point", I dispute the fact that you had one.
Btw, you can do other things to help others than to fight wars!
And the example was about my own country since, guess what, it's the country I know the most about. Oh my...
Btw, what cause should Finland had been fighting for?
also as far as contributions to the world ( other than wars) do you really wanna compare the generosity of the US to that of Finland??
When they declared war on us and started to attack, they out numbered the finnish troops atleast 10 to 1.
We barely managed to keep our freedom when we fought the russians with the German armys help. How do you think we could have been fighting for your glorious cause? Has your country ever been attacked by an other country? Has your country ever been attacked by a country that is over ten times larger than your country? There is no change you can fight an other war at the same time.
I suggest you work a little bit with your logic and think before you post this crap...
Lowing should be working in the White House, he has finally connected the war in Iraq with American border security.
production yes, but where did the technology come from?? It is easy to RE-invent shit after someone did the hard work..IE........boeing and airbusGawwad wrote:
Ok, tell me which of those have not been developed in the EU?lowing wrote:
Before you say it, the US contributes a lot more to this world than war, think about that the next time you turn the lights out in your house (and get into your car to drive to the gas station to fill up for the trip to the airport while talking on your cell phone to let your wife know you are on the way. Once you get into the airport and sit and work on your computer while you wait to board your airplane to Africa to build a house. Probably using tools to do so, invented in the US as well. On the plane you can talk to the guy next to you about how worthless and selfish the US is, since you are free to do so.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is production of such high tech items as tools in Europe aswell
You are doing nothing but proving my point. We were not directly threatened by Germany, but our friends and allies were. The point being, I guess it is a good thing we choose to get involved in world affairs isn't it? Ever notice that we always are trying to help out the "little guy"?Gawwad wrote:
When WW2 started, Finland was a small and poor country. Our neighbour, the Soviet Union, was not poor and was definately not small.lowing wrote:
Well since the whole world fought for the a free Europe, it could be nice if you helped others do the same when they need it. but hey, that is just me being crazy.Gawwad wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm very pleased about the US making the world a better, safer and free-er place.
Btw, you can do other things to help others than to fight wars!
And the example was about my own country since, guess what, it's the country I know the most about. Oh my...
Btw, what cause should Finland had been fighting for?
also as far as contributions to the world ( other than wars) do you really wanna compare the generosity of the US to that of Finland??
When they declared war on us and started to attack, they out numbered the finnish troops atleast 10 to 1.
We barely managed to keep our freedom when we fought the russians with the German armys help. How do you think we could have been fighting for your glorious cause? Has your country ever been attacked by an other country? Has your country ever been attacked by a country that is over ten times larger than your country? There is no change you can fight an other war at the same time.
I suggest you work a little bit with your logic and think before you post this crap...
If you can't see the connection to the war on terror with border security then YOU are truly a....................liberal.Reciprocity wrote:
Lowing should be working in the White House, he has finally connected the war in Iraq with American border security.
Liberalism, it's a mental DISORDER!!lowing wrote:
If you can't see the connection to the war on terror with border security then YOU are truly a....................liberal.Reciprocity wrote:
Lowing should be working in the White House, he has finally connected the war in Iraq with American border security.
Hmmmmmm ok.Gawwad wrote:
Ok, tell me which of those have not been developed in the EU?lowing wrote:
Before you say it, the US contributes a lot more to this world than war, think about that the next time you turn the lights out in your house (and get into your car to drive to the gas station to fill up for the trip to the airport while talking on your cell phone to let your wife know you are on the way. Once you get into the airport and sit and work on your computer while you wait to board your airplane to Africa to build a house. Probably using tools to do so, invented in the US as well. On the plane you can talk to the guy next to you about how worthless and selfish the US is, since you are free to do so.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is production of such high tech items as tools in Europe aswell
airplane.............america
cell phone tech............america
oil refining................america
car mass production........america
computer technology and operating systems............america
Lowing ever heard of the Airbus A380 - the largest airborne passenger carrier in the entire world. Or Concorde - the fastest plane in the entire world until it retired from service. European developed. Ever heard of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamorghini, Mercedes or BMW. Cars of immeasurable quality and performance compared against American models. We also CLEARED UP THE CELL PHONE ISSUE EARLIER: the first mobile networks were in operation in Sweden and Finland (short memory?).lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmm ok.Gawwad wrote:
Ok, tell me which of those have not been developed in the EU?lowing wrote:
Before you say it, the US contributes a lot more to this world than war, think about that the next time you turn the lights out in your house (and get into your car to drive to the gas station to fill up for the trip to the airport while talking on your cell phone to let your wife know you are on the way. Once you get into the airport and sit and work on your computer while you wait to board your airplane to Africa to build a house. Probably using tools to do so, invented in the US as well. On the plane you can talk to the guy next to you about how worthless and selfish the US is, since you are free to do so.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is production of such high tech items as tools in Europe aswell
airplane.............america
cell phone tech............america
oil refining................america
car mass production........america
computer technology and operating systems............america
The world's first oil refinery opened at Ploieşti, Romania in 1856.
Please lowing. Stop beating a dead horse.
America invented a shitload of things:
Nuclear energy
Cars
Planes
First internet.
Need more to say?
Nuclear energy
Cars
Planes
First internet.
Need more to say?
Yup the EU nations did refine a lot of these technologies.................but..................on the backs of the those that invented themCameronPoe wrote:
Lowing ever heard of the Airbus A380 - the largest airborne passenger carrier in the entire world. Or Concorde - the fastest plane in the entire world until it retired from service. European developed. Ever heard of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamorghini, Mercedes or BMW. Cars of immeasurable quality and performance compared against American models. We also CLEARED UP THE CELL PHONE ISSUE EARLIER: the first mobile networks were in operation in Sweden and Finland (short memory?).lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmm ok.Gawwad wrote:
Ok, tell me which of those have not been developed in the EU?
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is production of such high tech items as tools in Europe aswell
airplane.............america
cell phone tech............america
oil refining................america
car mass production........america
computer technology and operating systems............america
The world's first oil refinery opened at Ploieşti, Romania in 1856.
Please lowing. Stop beating a dead horse.
you give me the airbus a380...............I give you the B747.........30 years agolowing wrote:
Yup the EU nations did refine a lot of these technologies.................but..................on the backs of the those that invented themCameronPoe wrote:
Lowing ever heard of the Airbus A380 - the largest airborne passenger carrier in the entire world. Or Concorde - the fastest plane in the entire world until it retired from service. European developed. Ever heard of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamorghini, Mercedes or BMW. Cars of immeasurable quality and performance compared against American models. We also CLEARED UP THE CELL PHONE ISSUE EARLIER: the first mobile networks were in operation in Sweden and Finland (short memory?).lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmm ok.
airplane.............america
cell phone tech............america
oil refining................america
car mass production........america
computer technology and operating systems............america
The world's first oil refinery opened at Ploieşti, Romania in 1856.
Please lowing. Stop beating a dead horse.
lets not forget the fact that your airline industry was built on the backsof a boeing fleet their Cam
cars of immeasurable quality for 200,000 dollars.............How about the little guy??
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everything you DO, HAVE, or work with, is from technology developed in the US less gun powder .......remember thatlowing wrote:
you give me the airbus a380...............I give you the B747.........30 years agolowing wrote:
Yup the EU nations did refine a lot of these technologies.................but..................on the backs of the those that invented themCameronPoe wrote:
Lowing ever heard of the Airbus A380 - the largest airborne passenger carrier in the entire world. Or Concorde - the fastest plane in the entire world until it retired from service. European developed. Ever heard of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamorghini, Mercedes or BMW. Cars of immeasurable quality and performance compared against American models. We also CLEARED UP THE CELL PHONE ISSUE EARLIER: the first mobile networks were in operation in Sweden and Finland (short memory?).
The world's first oil refinery opened at Ploieşti, Romania in 1856.
Please lowing. Stop beating a dead horse.
lets not forget the fact that your airline industry was built on the backsof a boeing fleet their Cam
cars of immeasurable quality for 200,000 dollars.............How about the little guy??
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No lowing is trying to make the point that America is the only country on earth that contributes anything to the world, which is a blatant lie. Europe is at the forefront of technology just like the US. The worlds only particle accelerator is in Switzerland for a start. Plus - one or two of your claims are erroneous:cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
America invented a shitload of things:
Nuclear energy
Cars
Planes
First internet.
Need more to say?
Some European inventions/contributions:
Calculus
Hydraulic Crane
Television
Carburretor
Wind-up Radio
Automobile (Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot - France - NOT AN AMERICAN)
Petrol-powered automobile (Karl Benz - Germany - NOT AN AMERICAN)
Transformer
Wattmeter
Programmable Computer (Charles Babbage - England - NOT AN AMERICAN)
AC Electric Motor
Turbogenerator
Non-reflective glass
3-point Seat Belt
Hovercraft
Aqualung
Artificial Kidney
Refrigerator
Spectacles
Motion Picture Camera
Submarine
Electrocardiogram
Pacemaker
Contact Lenses
Penicillin
Fuel Cell
Vacuum Pump
Printing Press
Airplane (Karl Jatho - Germany - NOT AN AMERICAN - 4 months before the Wright Brothers)
Nitrogen Based Fertilizer
Nylon
Parachute
PVC
Wrench
BASIC programming language
Torpedo
Radio
Dynamite
Von Neumann computer architecture
Blowtorch
Ballpoint pen
Safety Match
Padlock
X-Ray Machine
Saxophone
Helicopter
Battery
Steam Engine
Microwave Radar
To name a few...
Seriously guys - Europe GAVE birth to USA. Don't forget that. And Lowing your 'we did things off the back of everything the US developed' is nonsense based on my quick trawl through European inventions in Wiki.
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