uziq
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you don't know the history of the music or the scenes and, again, it's not an edifying conversation to have with you. i really don't feel like recapitulating the last 30 years of history, the detroit-berlin axis, the back-and-forth between scenes, etc. yes, europe definitely has a scene of its own. but, again,  nobody in these musical circles is referring to their music as 'EDM'. that is a bogus term imported from the recent american commercial bubble; it's basically being retroactively applied online. NOBODY involved in the techno scene in berlin or the house scene in hamburg refers to this music as 'EDM'. there are record stores and labels and clubs in germany that are de facto musical institutions at this point -- hard wax, golden pudel -- and you will NEVER see them talk about 'EDM'.

and, unfortunately, the dynamic of new, inventive, underground scenes being commercialized and turned into merely tasteful shopping mall music, like in all that wide-screen 'cinematic' anjuna trash, does cross race lines. the most highly paid DJs in the world are people like Dixon and the Innervisions lot, who just basically play house music with all of the sex and funk and swing sucked right out of it. it's whitewashed stuff for the ibiza bikini crowd to dance to.

i really don't care 'what your experience' has been. you listen to 'the real thing' and all you talk about is 'people must be on drugs or out of their mind to like this', and you substitute the pioneers of the genre for giant, corporate, day-festival events hosted at french chateaux by mililionaire playboys. i'm afraid 'your experience' is firmly at the commercial-consumer end of the spectrum, and you're arriving to this stuff very late, via a long chain of mediation/reception. you're purchasing something that ultimately has been packaged for you in a very specific way. your finger is not 'on the pulse'.



this guy is the truth. not 'ben bohmer'.

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i'm also just SHOOK that you think someone pasting the adagio for strings into a trance VST is 'experimentation'. like oh my god, the most obvious, kitschy, schlocky thing imaginable strikes you as bold experimentation. you really do not know much about contemporary music, larssen.

this is some music that is at the forefront of 'experimentation' with new technologies, including novel synthesis, machine learning/AI, and new form (e.g. polyrhythms, microtuning, looking at non-western musics).











importing a fucking melody from a fucking 1930s adagio and sticking it on 'trance vroom vroom' mode is NOT experimentation.
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I really don't understand your incredibly prickly and rigid attitude towards all this stuff. This kinda proves my point no? It's impossible for you to have a conversation on this stuff without the other party needing to apparently read and dive into the entire cultural history of your little pet musical genre. Commercial consumers not allowed. I must abide by your labellings and interpretations and any deviation is pounced on as 'fucking moronic', 'stupid', illiterate, you name it. Funny to me also that a legendary artist in trance is apparently derivative uninspired shit. Would love to see you have a sit down with the guy, who has been making this music for a living long before you were even born probably. I guess he needs lectures on the history and needs to up his game. Uziq, the editor-cum-self-styled-DJ, knows what the real stuff is.

In many ways you sound like an oldhead in metal who can't shut the fuck up about the early days of thrash and calling everything that came after as commercialised soulless drivel. Ah well, you can insulate yourself in your echo chamber without me interrupting you.

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uziq
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you just have no exposure to this music but make strong pronouncements and have strong opinions. it's a bad combination. you're impressed by tacky things like tiesto's 'adagio for strings' and then quickly dismiss anything outside of your (extremely limited) sphere of exposure as 'music for people out of their heads on drugs'. it's just funny. if i'm a 'type' then very much so are you: a normie.

i'm not a self-styled DJ. i've DJ'd in bars and clubs and lived with promoters for most of my 20s. i used to do live streams for bf2s’ers ffs. half of my friends make their living by producing music and DJ'ing, and putting on parties, hosting radio shows, touring around europe, etc. what's self-styled about it? my whole social life and milieux is structured around music. i’ve bought records and invested 10,000s of hours into this hobby in the last decade or more. i know more about this music than you do, it's really that simple.

you have a really hard time admitting to ignorance on any topic. when someone shows up with more expertise than you, you quickly deflect into 'well, now, you're just being rude'-type mock-affront. it's boring. stop dismissing music as 'drug-taking trash' and substituting your own basic, white-bread idiot variations of the same. go and dig a little deeper. it's really not hard to discover any of this stuff in the era of the internet. it's all just a click away.

you also just seem plainly confused. i never dismissed tiesto’s evident commercial success: i said you’re at the consumer end of the spectrum, picking up on a very certain type of music (true) and that tiesto’s music is hardly ‘experimental’ (also true). importing some strings into a trance song is not avant-garde; actually it’s more like après-garde. that shit is just so obvious that it’s borderline corny. and that’s fine. that’s what tiesto does: huge stadium events for people to throw their hands in the air, etc. all i’ve said above, not controversially, is that you’re at this end of the musical spectrum and don’t know anything about ‘deep house’ or musical originators.

Ah well, you can insulate yourself in your echo chamber without me interrupting you.
this is basically a normie credo. anything that isn't straight-up commercial, bestselling, beatport100-topping music = 'echo chamber'. it's a perfect formulation. never mind that these 'scenes' and communities, networks, record stores, clubs, etc, have existed for literally 40 years at this point. never mind that all the artists i've named are world-touring DJs (notice theo parrish is being interviewed by german TV in that youtube video i linked?) no, it's an 'echo chamber'. anything that larssen hasn't heard of, whilst grazing on the hillsides of commercial culture, is irrelevant! fucking LOL.

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Larssen
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And the person who always knows more is invariably you, of course! You, who so readily 'admits to ignorance', who is this unlimited fountain of knowledge, always accessible and open for discussion. Have you not noticed that the only moments you believe the discussion is actually 'edifying' and good, are exclusively moments in which we agree or are very close to agreeing?

Confession: I know very little about any electronic music and 90% of it does very little for me aside from the odd club or festival visit or particular mood. I came into this with a bit of a different intent, purposefully mirroring your own dismissiveness, then loaded out copious ad hominems in your own style, to lastly just asking up front: ok, so write up why this deserves all the praise. As expected with the first two approaches the reaction is very defensive and sour, but even a simple not-too-strongly worded question only has you return in a mildly lighter stage of a sour mood. Whatever one writes it's obvious that if one disagrees with you they have to walk on the most fragile of eggshells. This is not me diverting into a mock-affront but trying the absolute hardest to pry open your eyes to your own ironic narrow mindedness, your ineffectiveness at enthusing or actually convincing others (rather the opposite happens) and the foul effect of the personal jabs/dismissiveness so frequently unloaded.

Cue here a comment of yours on internet-psychology whatever - your posting history and interaction with others is certainly a reflection of whatever goes on in that mind, and a long storied history of borderline internet bullying doesn't reflect all that well. It's endlessly curious to me, but I'll leave it at that.
uziq
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'internet bullying' lmao.

well at least we have a confession, in the music thread, that you don't know much at all about the music you've been berating and arguing about for 10 pages. that could have saved a lot of hassle, eh?

Have you not noticed that the only moments you believe the discussion is actually 'edifying' and good, are exclusively moments in which we agree or are very close to agreeing?
no, i call a conversation edifying when two people have at least a semblance of familiarity with a topic. when a person who knows nothing tries to argue that something is 'bad' with a person who knows something, it can only devolve into a teacher-student dynamic, in the very best case scenario. it would be like me trying to argue with a polish person about polish grammar whilst only being able to say 'hello' and 'goodbye'. it's not edifying because there's just no grounds for enlightening conversation, not because 'uzique doesn't like it'. i mean, you don't even know the basics of music production, you don't even know what a producer does and what a DJ does, and what distinguishes them ... and yet you expect a long conversation about the intricacies of deep house? haha. you evidently think people can sit down in front of music software and just summon up a tune, even if you call the results 'bleeps and bloops' or whatever. errr you really do not have even the beginning of a clue, sorry.

and oh, right, you fumbling around and misusing terms like 'making music on dj software' and 'deep-prog house' was actually you, um, being meta- and ironic, and trying out a thought-experiment on me, to test my response ... riiiiight. fucking lol, i'm deddddd.

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Can we do Christmas music now?
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Can we do Christmas music now?
I don't get people who put on the same folksy Christmas albums they've owned for like 40 years. Just hearing it puts your brain into recursive recollection. What a headache.
Shahter
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
unnamednewbie13
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That scene was so excessive for a movie marketed heavily towards children. Who wants to take their 8-year-old to go see their superhero slaughter a bunch of other kids and then melt on the shores of Lava Falls. It went from X-Men to Hellraiser at the flip of a switch.
Shahter
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agreed. the music piece, though, is very powerfull even without sw context, imo.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That scene was so excessive for a movie marketed heavily towards children. Who wants to take their 8-year-old to go see their superhero slaughter a bunch of other kids and then melt on the shores of Lava Falls. It went from X-Men to Hellraiser at the flip of a switch.
I believe seeing Vader get toasted counts as a big pay off for having to watch 9 hours of children sci-fi. It is what people signed up for in 1999. Revenge of the Sith was in fact the best Star Wars of the prequel trilogy because it actually was pretty dark in theme instead of a marvel movie like the Abrams trilogy. Same with Rogue One.

I would pay good money to be able to binge watch a Stars Wars sequel trilogy by Lucas. Just to see what he came up with.
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unnamednewbie13
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Marvel movies have had mood swings for years, repeatedly killing off characters and then rebooting them just like in the comic books. I would actually expect dark for the sake of dark there.

It was just so weird to see the prequels go from Jar Jar Binks and toys marketed to gradeschoolers, to Anakin becoming a murderous sweat goblin and literally boiling in his own skin. I think the camera could have at least been a bit more tasteful in how much was shown. Less is more, y'know?

A lot of music through the franchise does make cool playlist contributors for gaming, though.
uziq
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uziq
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god tier.



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uziq
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g-g-g-g-god tier

uziq
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[passes away]

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this was on the discography i bought....yeah
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uziq
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larssen probably thinks mash-ups and remixes are 'inspired genius' on the level of MIDI mapping adagio for strings into a trance synthesiser.

'wow, they found two songs from totally different genres but which are at the same speed ... and played them over the top of one another!'

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