ATG's point is that alot of people need to realize that, yes, war is bad, yes, bad things happen in war, there is only speculation they were nukes, and no, they are not illegal, would it make you feel any better if these people were shot in the gut with .223 and died slowly over a matter of hours?
Is occupation of the West Bank, Shebaa Farms, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem outlawed by international treaty?ATG wrote:
Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?
If not, then oh well.
If not... wait a minute: it is illegal!
International treaties seem to get used when suited and ignored when it doesn't suit on this forum.
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+1 if i could to a few of u's. Well i was in lebanon when this war was on, but i am christian nad was not in any of these aereas, but i did see qquite a few bombs being dropped at a place called balbeck. And as a australian born lebananese person i say good on israel for bombing, beacause hezoballah recked lebanon them and there stupid ways, i was there n israel dropped thousands of papers sayin evacuate we have nothing against the lebanese people jus hezoballah n we are goin to attack targets in your area. You think any of them listened! hezoballah ruined my holiday and i know for a fact they kept civillains near and arpund them so when israel uav;s they see 5 gun men out side n 10 people in sidethe building so htey bomb it then later on hezob claims israel attacked civillans, if nesrallah didnt have iran he woulda been Gone! end of story iran and syria are help his gay ass!
We've covered this before; Canaanites were either slaughtered or assimilated into the Israelites when they invaded. How can Palestinians have come from them when they were dead or Israelites?Bertster7 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where the Jews came from initially. It's not something I've ever looked into, I think Abraham was supposed to be from Mesapotamia. I do know it wasn't Canaan. The Jews immigrated to Canaan in about 1300BC.
Palestinians were Philistines not Canaanites; Philistines were from Greece/Turkey so they weren't the original inhabitants either... so neither party owned the land first, they both stole it. How about we throw everyone out of the region? Is there any point in trying to use this argument further?
Minor point: Canaanites were a group of Phoenicians, all Canaanites were Phoenicians but not all Phoenicians were Canaanites.Bertster7 wrote:
The Caananites, or Phoenicians were the original occupants of the land. It is the Palestinians and not the Jews who can trace their ancestry back to these people.
war is war.
If lebanon used it i dont care, if israel used it i dont care.
the best would be if somebody nuked them all.
If lebanon used it i dont care, if israel used it i dont care.
the best would be if somebody nuked them all.
And you base your historic information of Caananites on what ?Jainus wrote:
We've covered this before; Canaanites were either slaughtered or assimilated into the Israelites when they invaded. How can Palestinians have come from them when they were dead or Israelites?Bertster7 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure where the Jews came from initially. It's not something I've ever looked into, I think Abraham was supposed to be from Mesapotamia. I do know it wasn't Canaan. The Jews immigrated to Canaan in about 1300BC.
Palestinians were Philistines not Canaanites; Philistines were from Greece/Turkey so they weren't the original inhabitants either... so neither party owned the land first, they both stole it. How about we throw everyone out of the region? Is there any point in trying to use this argument further?Minor point: Canaanites were a group of Phoenicians, all Canaanites were Phoenicians but not all Phoenicians were Canaanites.Bertster7 wrote:
The Caananites, or Phoenicians were the original occupants of the land. It is the Palestinians and not the Jews who can trace their ancestry back to these people.
Here something you may want to read :
efore the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800BC, the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanities.
"Between 3000 and 1100BC, Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan… Those would remain in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century AD] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks an old Canaanite tribes."
Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright,
"Their Promised Land".
The Present –day Palestinians` ancestral heritage
"But all these [different peoples who had come into Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree…And that parentry was Canaanite…[the Arab invaders of the 7th century AD] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabised that we cannot tell whether Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years… Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 100 BC to the wiping out of Juda in 586 BC, we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
Canaanites had already been invaded by the Israelites by this stage; the Canaanites as a people had been assimilated. And in any case the Romans expelling the Jews happens 1000years after the Israelites arrived; how does this help your case?bogo24dk wrote:
Here something you may want to read :
efore the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800BC, the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanities.
"Between 3000 and 1100BC, Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan… Those would remain in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century AD] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks an old Canaanite tribes."
Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright,
"Their Promised Land".
Arab invaders of 7th century AD... as in 1700years after the event. Your stating your case against the Israelites well here.bogo24dk wrote:
The Present –day Palestinians` ancestral heritage
"But all these [different peoples who had come into Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree…And that parentry was Canaanite…[the Arab invaders of the 7th century AD] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabised that we cannot tell whether Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
OK... how does this help your argument? None of the three quotes that you have supplied deal in the slightest with the Israelite invasion. The first two happen long after the Jewish Kingdom had collapsed and the third serves no purpose other than to tell us the length of time that you Zionist kingdom ruled... whats your point?bogo24dk wrote:
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years… Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 100 BC to the wiping out of Juda in 586 BC, we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
The Israelites invaded and if you like stole the land. The Palestinians are descended from Philistines (where they get their name from) who originated in Greece / Turkey so when they came to the land, they stole it as well. So for all the people who want to scream and shout about stolen land; it belonged to neither of them and the further into history you want to go the more ludicrous these claims become.
Israelites invaded and it was a bloody invasion (as the conquests of the time tended to be);
Sihon refused [the] Israelites passage, went out to fight and was defeated (Numbers 21:21-26). All his cities were destroyed. Men, women and children were slain (Deuteronomy 2:26-36). Israel took possession of his land.
Og of Bashan fought Israel (21:33-35). Sixty cities along with many walled and unwalled villages were destroyed. Men, women and children were all slain (Deuteronomy 3:1-11)
Midian was destroyed for tempting Israel into idolatry (Numbers 31:3-19). All Midianite cities and encampments were burned. Only female virgins were allowed to live. [and why do we all think that female virgins were allowed to survive? To start the Canaanites anew? Would have been difficult without any men now wouldn't it... so where would these men have come from? Have a think and get back to me]
There is hope for your cause however; the Amorites in Jazer were 'dispossessed' (Numbers 21:32) and no further details are recorded. Which could mean that they survived but given the wholesale slaughter, how likely do you think this is?
Even if we assume that they escaped, where did they go and given what some anti-Israel people on this forum have said about abandoning their land, do the Canaanites (if they survived and it is a big if) still have a claim? This thread would suggest not as the Jews that fled hundreds of years later somehow managed to forfeit their right, surely the same applies to everyone? Or do we ignore this little detail because it blows a fucking huge hole in their argument?
By the looks of things my basis of historical information is a little bit better than yours, especially as your "information" doesn't begin until well after the events your trying to disprove/influence.bogo24dk wrote:
And you base your historic information of Caananites on what ?