bogo24dk
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Studies carried out by a European Union-affiliated organization suggest the Israel Air Force used experimental missiles employing uranium against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, the British newspaper The Independent reported on its website on Saturday.

According to the British Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, Doctor Chris Busby, tests carried out on soil taken from craters where Israeli missiles impacted showed 'elevated radiation signatures.'

Busby's report concluded that such results could be caused either by bunker-busting conventional bombs using uranium or a new kind of weapon bearing a "novel small experimental nuclear fission device or other experimental weapon (eg, a thermobaric weapon) based on the high temperature of a uranium oxidation flash."

An Italian television report aired last week made a similar claim, raising the possibility that Israel had used a weapon in the Gaza Strip in recent months, causing especially serious physical injuries, such as amputated limbs and severe burns.

The report claimed the weapon is similar to one developed by the U.S. military, known as DIME, which causes a powerful and lethal blast, but only within a relatively small radius.

The Italian report is based on the eyewitness accounts of medical doctors in the Strip, as well as tests carried out in an Italian laboratory. The investigative team is the same one that exposed, several months ago, the use by U.S. forces in Iraq of phosphorous bombs, against Iraqi rebels in Faluja.

Israel Air Force Maj.-Gen (res.) Yitzhak Ben-Israel, formerly head of the IDF's weapons-development program, told the Italian reporters that "one of the ideas [behind the weapon] is to allow those targeted to be hit without causing damage to bystanders or other persons."

The investigation, by Rai24news, follows reports by Gaza-based doctors of inexplicably serious injuries. The doctors reported an exceptionally large number of wounded who lost legs, of completely burned bodies and injuries unaccompanied by metal shrapnel. Some of the doctors also claimed that they removed particles from wounds that could not be seen in an x-ray machine.

According to those who testified, the wounded were hit by munitions launched from drones, most of them in July.

Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the emergency room at the Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital, in Deir el-Balah, told the reporters that the legs of the injured were sliced from their bodies "as if a saw was used to cut through the bone." There were signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation, but no signs that the dismemberment was caused by metal fragments.

Dr. Juma Saka, of Shifa Hospital, in Gaza City, said the doctors found small entry wounds on the bodies of the wounded and the dead. According to Saka, a powder was found on the victims' bodies and in their internal organs.

"The powder was like microscopic shrapnel, and these are what likely caused the injuries," Saka said.

The Italian investigative team raised the possibility that the IDF is making use of a weapon similar in character to DIME - Dense Inert Metal Explosive - developed for the U.S. military. According to the official website of a U.S. air force laboratory, it is a "focused lethality" weapon, which aims to accurately destroy the target while causing minimum damage to the surrounding.

According to the site, the projectile comprises a carbon-fiber casing filled with tungsten powder and explosives. In the explosion, tungsten particles - a metal capable of conducting very high temperatures - spread over a radius of four meters and cause death.

According to the U.S.-based website Defense-Tech, "the result is an incredibly destructive blast in a small area" and "the destructive power of the mixture causes far more damage than pure explosive." It adds that "the impact of the micro-shrapnel seems to cause a similar but more powerful effect than a shockwave."

The weapon is supposed to still be in the testing phase and has not been used on the battlefield.

The Italian reporters sent samples of the particles found in wounds of injured in the Gaza Strip to a laboratory at the University of Parma. Dr. Carmela Vaccaio said that in analyzing the samples, she found "a very high concentration of carbon and the presence of unusual materials," such as copper, aluminum and tungsten. Dr. Vaccaio says these findings "could be in line with the hypothesis" that the weapon in question is DIME.

On the matter of DIME, Ben-Israel told the Italian reporters that "this is a technology that allows the striking of very small targets."

The report says that the weapon is not banned by international law, especially since it has not been officially tested.

It is believed that the weapon is highly carcinogenic and harmful to the environment.

The non-governmental organization Physicians for Human Rights has written to Defense Minister Amir Peretz requesting explanations for the aforementioned injuries to Palestinians. Amos Gilad, a senior adviser to the minister, is supposed to meet with the group on the matter in the near future.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/780516.html



Israel admits using phosphorus bombs during war in Lebanon

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/777549.html

Last edited by bogo24dk (2006-10-28 10:38:06)

ATG
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Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
Ottomania
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I wasnt shocked
oug
Calmer than you are.
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ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
HAHAHAHAHA ATG you're the master of black humor I'll give you that!!
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mafia996630
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ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
oh well, people die,oh well.

Its just sad . :'(

Last edited by mafia996630 (2006-10-28 11:14:24)

bogo24dk
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ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
I wonder how outrage you would have been right now if it was the other side who used it.
Poseidon
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And the US uses depleted uranium bullets from the A-10 warthog. Oh no.

War's a bitch, eh?
jonsimon
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ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
Not outlawed explictly and totally, yet. Incindiary weapons are banned by the geneva convetions, as are chemical weapons, two characteristics that phosphorus munitions display. Phosphorus is just the US loophole around the ban on napalm after Vietnam. So, depending on how far in denial they are, no, they are not banned. But any reasonable human being must concede they are banned by the Geneva Conventions.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
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Sucks for those people, but war is war, its unforgiving, and bombs dont pick who is next to their targets. 

I have a feeling that some ass hat is gonna call it out and blame this on the U.S. - Obviously we were responsible for their use of those weapons during a war because were responsible for everything
Phantom2828
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{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

Sucks for those people, but war is war, its unforgiving, and bombs dont pick who is next to their targets. 

I have a feeling that some ass hat is gonna call it out and blame this on the U.S. - Obviously we were responsible for their use of those weapons during a war because were responsible for everything
QFT
Major_Spittle
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WTF were they expecting, Nerf?
mafia996630
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No one wants to give a shit now, but it will come to bite you in the arse, : )))))))))))))))))))))). Remember last time ?
spray_and_pray
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pffft the A-10 warthog's cannon uses depleted uranium see anyone complaining about that? Cruise missles radiate an area no one complains actually the beggining cruise missle attack on Baghdad lifted radiation levels above the safe level in London. So seriously woop dee doo.
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The use of phosphorous isn't banned by the Genava Conventions specifically. It is illegal to use it in civilian areas but not against military targets.

However, if a civilian population allows a terrorist group to base itself out of a civilian area, it ceases to be a civilian area and can be attacked. It's pure logic, lost no doubt on the majority of the children who use this forum.

It's like when Muslims use a mosque to fire on US troops - the moment the mosque is used for military purposes, it ceases to be a mosque and becomes a valid military target.
GunSlinger OIF II
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jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
Not outlawed explictly and totally, yet. Incindiary weapons are banned by the geneva convetions, as are chemical weapons, two characteristics that phosphorus munitions display. Phosphorus is just the US loophole around the ban on napalm after Vietnam. So, depending on how far in denial they are, no, they are not banned. But any reasonable human being must concede they are banned by the Geneva Conventions.
loophole? lol

if the United States wanted to use Napalm still, we would.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-10-28 11:20:24)

golgoj4
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{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

Sucks for those people, but war is war, its unforgiving, and bombs dont pick who is next to their targets. 

I have a feeling that some ass hat is gonna call it out and blame this on the U.S. - Obviously we were responsible for their use of those weapons during a war because were responsible for everything
Well if you sell it to the guy knowing hes gonna use it....

See: Osama Bin Laden.

See: N. Korean Nuclear reactors sold to them by US company (rummy was on the board)

See: Iraqi kurds gassed by weapons given to Saddam by US.

I gotta say, maybe we should just keep out shit for ourselves? Oh wait, business would never stand for that.

My point is our weapons export policies will always make it a valid question if we are part of someone military supply chain.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
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golgoj4 wrote:

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

Sucks for those people, but war is war, its unforgiving, and bombs dont pick who is next to their targets. 

I have a feeling that some ass hat is gonna call it out and blame this on the U.S. - Obviously we were responsible for their use of those weapons during a war because were responsible for everything
Well if you sell it to the guy knowing hes gonna use it....

See: Osama Bin Laden.

See: N. Korean Nuclear reactors sold to them by US company (rummy was on the board)

See: Iraqi kurds gassed by weapons given to Saddam by US.

I gotta say, maybe we should just keep out shit for ourselves? Oh wait, business would never stand for that.

My point is our weapons export policies will always make it a valid question if we are part of someone military supply chain.
So.......we sell Isreal's military weapons......we provide an ally weapons....what a concept....its nothing new.  We dont dictate when/where they use them.
Souls
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They targeted civilains with Katusha rockets.  Wheres your outrage about that?  I say if the enemy targets your civilains theirs are open season. Too bad Israel didn't have a few B-52's in their inventory.
TDRE666
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jonsimon wrote:

ATG wrote:

Are these types of munitions outlawed by international treaty?

If not, then oh well.
Not outlawed explictly and totally, yet. Incindiary weapons are banned by the geneva convetions, as are chemical weapons, two characteristics that phosphorus munitions display. Phosphorus is just the US loophole around the ban on napalm after Vietnam. So, depending on how far in denial they are, no, they are not banned. But any reasonable human being must concede they are banned by the Geneva Conventions.
This just in:  The international community will now rely on some guy on the internet's interpretation of the Geneva Conventions to determine the legality of international conflict in the future.  Thank you for your time.
GunSlinger OIF II
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golgoj4 wrote:

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

Sucks for those people, but war is war, its unforgiving, and bombs dont pick who is next to their targets. 

I have a feeling that some ass hat is gonna call it out and blame this on the U.S. - Obviously we were responsible for their use of those weapons during a war because were responsible for everything
Well if you sell it to the guy knowing hes gonna use it....

See: Osama Bin Laden.

See: N. Korean Nuclear reactors sold to them by US company (rummy was on the board)

See: Iraqi kurds gassed by weapons given to Saddam by US.

I gotta say, maybe we should just keep out shit for ourselves? Oh wait, business would never stand for that.

My point is our weapons export policies will always make it a valid question if we are part of someone military supply chain.
get real man, we never supplied saddam with NBC weapons.  look towards countries like france that supplied that technology
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iphtnax wrote:

The use of phosphorous isn't banned by the Genava Conventions specifically. It is illegal to use it in civilian areas but not against military targets.

However, if a civilian population allows a terrorist group to base itself out of a civilian area, it ceases to be a civilian area and can be attacked. It's pure logic, lost no doubt on the majority of the children who use this forum.

It's like when Muslims use a mosque to fire on US troops - the moment the mosque is used for military purposes, it ceases to be a mosque and becomes a valid military target.
+1

Usually when firing missiles or any other weapon, the intent is to kill people and break stuff.  That's war.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Stingray24 wrote:

Usually when firing missiles or any other weapon, the intent is to kill people and break stuff.  That's war.
LOL.  too bad the majority of people in this section of the forum fail to realize that.
CameronPoe
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I wouldn't expect anythıng less from the cunts...
Stingray24
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CameronPoe wrote:

I wouldn't expect anythıng less from the cunts...
We already know you hate Israel.  Anything else?
CameronPoe
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Stingray24 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I wouldn't expect anythıng less from the cunts...
We already know you hate Israel.  Anything else?
I hate people eatıng wıth theır mouths open.

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