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Of course... and nuclear power is worthless too. So is any alternative to oil. After all, none of these things can measure up to the productivity of the current systems in place. Who would ever think that ESCR could ever improve with time and technology?Stingray24 wrote:
Read my other thread. ESCR is worthless. ASCR has been extremely successful. No need for ESCR when ASCR already does everything they are trying to achieve wtih ESCR. Period.Turquoise wrote:
If that's the extent of the ban, and nothing else, then that's ok. I just don't want them cutting us off from an entire research method.
...and we all know how much Parkinson's disease is worth. What an investment, I tell ya....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There's a descriptive phrase for that here: "milking it for all it's worth."Bubbalo wrote:
Further, why not go off his medication to show people what Parkinson's is like?
Republicans are taking advantage of these people with fear of terror. Using them to try to win elections by convincing them to support continual war which has not made America any safer. And making the other party out as if they are murdering those attacked by terrorists because they don't support war. The reality is Republicans support warfare that's been proven to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.Stingray24 wrote:
The truth hurts. Democrats are taking advantage of these people with terrible diseases. Using them to try to win election by convincing them to support ESCR which has not made anything even resembling material useful to cure disease. And making the other party out as if they are murdering those with diseases like this because we don't support ESCR. The reality is we support the research that's been proven to have results - ASCR.
Talk to the researchers who are making huge strides in ASCR right now. It's breakthrough research that isn't talked about, but ESCR is when it isn't resulting in jack. It's like having an engine that runs perfectly and spending billions on developing an engine that does the exact same thing. Not does it better, just comes up with the same result after wasting a bunch of money and time. Doesn't make sense. ESCR is not a better way to do what ASCR is already achieving.Turquoise wrote:
Of course... and nuclear power is worthless too. So is any alternative to oil. After all, none of these things can measure up to the productivity of the current systems in place. Who would ever think that ESCR could ever improve with time and technology?Stingray24 wrote:
Read my other thread. ESCR is worthless. ASCR has been extremely successful. No need for ESCR when ASCR already does everything they are trying to achieve wtih ESCR. Period.Turquoise wrote:
If that's the extent of the ban, and nothing else, then that's ok. I just don't want them cutting us off from an entire research method.
I'm not even talking about Parkinson's in particular. The fact of the matter is, it's a dirty political stunt to parade people suffering from disease, disorder, poverty or just bad luck; the end goal being to render oneself politically inviolate. An extreme example would be:Turquoise wrote:
...and we all know how much Parkinson's disease is worth. What an investment, I tell ya....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There's a descriptive phrase for that here: "milking it for all it's worth."Bubbalo wrote:
Further, why not go off his medication to show people what Parkinson's is like?
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Thats it exactly, most people can't afford the treatment he is getting. Him being off the meds is a more realistic portrait of how the disease affects normal people. If he really did stop taking meds just for the ad...thats pretty fucking commendable in my books.[RDH]Warlord wrote:
I don't think Michael is totally blameless. If he would come out and say that this is the result of getting off his (most likely very expensive) treatment
but it also led some of the people i've talked to about it to believe that there were NO treatments or medicine available at all, because republicans blocked them allPRiMACORD wrote:
Thats it exactly, most people can't afford the treatment he is getting. Him being off the meds is a more realistic portrait of how the disease affects normal people. If he really did stop taking meds just for the ad...thats pretty fucking commendable in my books.[RDH]Warlord wrote:
I don't think Michael is totally blameless. If he would come out and say that this is the result of getting off his (most likely very expensive) treatment
Do you really think being off meds with parkinsons is a walk in the park?
You know... in the end, this is really what this all comes down to. The human mind is capable of rationalizing anything, and because of this, truth become relative. It kind of gets rid of the point of activism.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Then again, what political stunt isn't dirty to some degree?
don't you know? your opinion is biased, so it doesn't count.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
I dont care whos doing what, If you read the bill, Its really about cloneing eggs and embryos. Then harvesting cells. Im in favor of this. Being on the conservative side i have an agenda here that goes against it,. I suffer from a sever spinal cord injury and believe with all my heart that ONLY Embryonic stemcells will help. Not adult cells but New and developing cells. Wheather or not Fox knows the Bills Guts makes no difference to me, as long as it gets passed and possibly gets some action in other states I might have a chance at a semi normal life some day. Call it selfish call it immoral, i dont care. I want my fucking life back.
I Know, But I call it selfish, But im willing to live with that.Reciprocity wrote:
don't you know? your opinion is biased, so it doesn't count.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
I dont care whos doing what, If you read the bill, Its really about cloneing eggs and embryos. Then harvesting cells. Im in favor of this. Being on the conservative side i have an agenda here that goes against it,. I suffer from a sever spinal cord injury and believe with all my heart that ONLY Embryonic stemcells will help. Not adult cells but New and developing cells. Wheather or not Fox knows the Bills Guts makes no difference to me, as long as it gets passed and possibly gets some action in other states I might have a chance at a semi normal life some day. Call it selfish call it immoral, i dont care. I want my fucking life back.
Yup I researched the Bill, Now, if there was a way to regulate it to Not go beyond the embryonic stage(doubtful probably) Then i would be totally for it 100%, as of now im on the 80% side of it. But without the freedom and money to do the research of embryonic stemcell trials and the like, Me and others with Sever problems will never know. It goes without saying, that Yes Im selfish in this, But why shouldnt I be? had my live snatched out from under me, served my country, been abandoned, went to work again , got hurt(broke back) then they ruined me. So yah, I want something possative in my life soon.kr@cker wrote:
look, i'm not trying to be mean onex, but the fact still stands that there are 72 successful treatments with ASC's (think i said 76 earlier, but i was wrong), and 0 esc treatments (in fact, ESC research has only been successful at causing brain tumors), I'm afraid you've been misled. You do, however, not only know but acknowledge the bill is more about human cloning than anything else, which is more than I can say for the bunch that made the ad.
Yes there free to fund, But my problem is, without Govt behind it, I cant get into trials and get Ins to pay. The red tape would be too much. But instead of debateing it Ill just stand behind my reasons and leave it at that. Its just a personal reason I myself would like to see something done. Nothing more nothing less.kr@cker wrote:
ESC is NOT banned, and private firms are free to fund it all they want to
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