tino275
Member
+14|6885

lowing wrote:

Watching the 3rd game of the world series........Did anyone else notice the commercial for Chevy trucks......In Spainish??!!!!
By 2020 or something like that. Spanish speakers will outnumber english speakers in the U.S.A.

But Yes. It does anoy me.
Thump-GoA-
Thump the ARTY finder!!
+31|6933

Naughty_Om wrote:

Yea. lets advertise TO THE MINORITY! wow. and they are "AMERICAN MADE" American engineering.
According to the latest census "white" is almost a minority.  And since America is such a "bend-over backwards" for anybody kind of country, I guess they feel the need to advertise bilingually.  I thought this was America and the language IS English, but again I am wrong.

/rant
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6897|Cherry Pie
Dude, my great grandmother was from Mexico and came here a long time ago with my great grandfather.  (They came the legal way).  But man I freaking hate those border-jumping bastards...

But hey, the Japanese have been flooded with English ever since WWII, so we are doing the same thing to them...   Its a little different though, there aren't millions of Americans jumping on ships to go to Japan and work crappy job and kill Japanese citizens. 

Chupa me el pito!
starman7
Member
+15|6997
In response to the actual topic, I say this.  Either one or the other language should have been subtitled.  All-Spanish things should be restricted to Spanish channels, the rest of TV is for everyone, and the majority know English here (and quite a few only English).

1)  If you come to live and work and stay in a country, learn the language.  This has for the most part been done by all previous immigration waves in America.  I don't care if you learn it before or after you come, just make sure that you're decently fluent in a language within a couple years of moving to a country (English, of course, for America).  I don't care what you speak most of the time, just make sure that you don't demand English-only speakers accomadate you specially.

2)  If you come here to live and work here, for god's sake respect their laws.  My biggest beef is with the border-hoppers (quite often carrying drugs, too), as well as those who demand rights equal to and in some cases greater than lifelong residents.  When the Italians came here, did they demand Social Security checks, did they just come over without following the laws, did they demand bilingual schools?  No.  Bilingual schools are OK for immigration-heavy areas, so long as they try to get you speaking English as well.  Do not expect special breaks.  You will come here like every other damn person gets here, and if you have a beef with it, tough luck.

Note:  I have no problem with legal immigrants who respect the laws and try to assimilate.

3)  Someone before said something about, "Does the military try to learn the language in other countries?".  That is a bad analogy.  Immigrants are those who wish to become residents in a country.  The soldiers are guests of the country.  The Army, Navy, Marines, or Air Force ordered them to stay in a country for a while.  They did not choose to come to that country.



Overall, just learn the language, and don't demand special breaks IF you plan to come to a country and stay there.  I don't care what you do, so long as you respect the laws of the country you are moving to, and don't demand others to learn your language.  This does not apply to visitors, of course.  I don't expect you to learn a whole new language if you're just visiting a country for two weeks.  Then, you are guests of a country, and they have to accomadate you to some degree (though that may require hiring an interpreter).
specxops
Banned
+18|6922|Boca Raton,Florida
mme gusta la calculadoras porque tienen muchos butones.y tu?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6765|Connecticut

Nicholas Langdon wrote:

yes i am full of self loathing deez....
not to beady-eyed bitch though.
lol
Malloy must go
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6916

starman7 wrote:

1)  If you come to live and work and stay in a country, learn the language.  This has for the most part been done by all previous immigration waves in America.  I don't care if you learn it before or after you come, just make sure that you're decently fluent in a language within a couple years of moving to a country (English, of course, for America).  I don't care what you speak most of the time, just make sure that you don't demand English-only speakers accomadate you specially.

2)  If you come here to live and work here, for god's sake respect their laws.  My biggest beef is with the border-hoppers (quite often carrying drugs, too), as well as those who demand rights equal to and in some cases greater than lifelong residents.  When the Italians came here, did they demand Social Security checks, did they just come over without following the laws, did they demand bilingual schools?  No.  Bilingual schools are OK for immigration-heavy areas, so long as they try to get you speaking English as well.  Do not expect special breaks.  You will come here like every other damn person gets here, and if you have a beef with it, tough luck.
your argument is crap man.  and you dont know your history books too much.  Try saying that all immigrants learned the language fluently in the early 20th century in new york.  no.  you had countless examples of immigrants still living and working and speaking the exact same way in the old country.  Following generations eventually assimilated but not the first or second.  Italian and polish and etc still made up a huge amount of the foreign speaking immigrant population.


Did they demand social security checks. Man get the fuck outta here.  SS didnt even exist prior to the 1930's and the immigration wave was rolling well before that.  thats a shitty argument with holes as big as the ones on swiass cheese. 


oh yeah and lets not forget about our immigrant friend La Cosa Nostra.  or maybe you dont see it as a huge criminal organzation.  god damn man. im fucking speechless.

jesus christ, racism and ignorance go hand in hand with a lot of you BF2sers
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6828
Tıenes que empezar aprendıendo espanol ahorra muchachos!!!
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6765|Connecticut

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

Dont forget where you travellers came from you so called 'Americans'. I love the American way of life even though I do not live there, I live in England and feel we would benefit from your way of thinking, However all the Mexican people want to do is better their own lives with 'THE DREAM' just like your forefathers did when they settled there all them years ago, so its a bit hypocritical of you to state that America is just for Americans.
Mexican people in America dont bother me, I am not racist I hate everyone the same. Illegal Mexicans in America bother me. I applaud those from any country, with exception to France, who want to come to this country legally and work and raise their families so they can have better education etc.. It bothers me when it is not done properly. Now do I agree that the U.S. needs to reform its way of accepting citizenship, absolutely. Still, that is no excuse to do it illegally. America is diverse, that is one of the things that makes it great. One of the others is order, which we have been lacking lately.
Malloy must go
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6724|Bradford UK

deeznutz1245 wrote:

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

Dont forget where you travellers came from you so called 'Americans'. I love the American way of life even though I do not live there, I live in England and feel we would benefit from your way of thinking, However all the Mexican people want to do is better their own lives with 'THE DREAM' just like your forefathers did when they settled there all them years ago, so its a bit hypocritical of you to state that America is just for Americans.
Mexican people in America dont bother me, I am not racist I hate everyone the same. Illegal Mexicans in America bother me. I applaud those from any country, with exception to France, who want to come to this country legally and work and raise their families so they can have better education etc.. It bothers me when it is not done properly. Now do I agree that the U.S. needs to reform its way of accepting citizenship, absolutely. Still, that is no excuse to do it illegally. America is diverse, that is one of the things that makes it great. One of the others is order, which we have been lacking lately.
very very true, the same is happening in England, Free medical/ Free state handouts/ Free housing benefits, thats why we are inundated by refugees like America. Will our 2 nations governments ever let it stop? I do feel for you with the illegals though.
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6724|Bradford UK

rawls wrote:

Da_Killer_NoooooooB wrote:

I don't think he means that American is just for Americans, I think he would me more "If you owe here, then be an American, not a pissy-ass Mexican". I have many friends who are Americans of Mexican heritage, but they are AMERICANS- they came here, saw that English is our working language, did their best to learn it, to fit in as a family- families communicate, & through communication they become tighter.
     I have no use for the piece of crap "immigrants" that come here to work, take the money, then run- "I'm here to make money, send it home, buy a villa, then fuck you Americans- Mexico is better!" O-RLY? Funny, the freedom of speech is here, decent paying jobs are here (but rapidly disappearing, in part thanks to the "Hey, let's go to U.S., make money, live 30 people in one house & accept shit pay, then split - Back to MaMa Mexico!") As long as industry can get these dirt-cheap workers, they can afford to screw the working man. Come here, become an American, respect this country, or GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!
     Don't come here, saying "Americans" like it's a bad thing- Don't like it, leave! Hell, you had to sneak across the border to get here, turn your ass in &  we'll send you back free of charge- Nobody is forcing you to stay, if some one came into my house & said "I'm here, give me food, shelter, the same rights of one of your family, but kiss my ass when it comes to expecting courtesy & respect" Let me tell Ya, I would knock the fuck out of them, & they'd wake up (maybe) somewhere out in the middle of No Man's Land- with an old work boot rammed up there ass to remind them of the time they talked shit to a working man. We have our problems here in the U.S.A., every country has some problems-  But America, she's my Girl, I'm willing to fight & die to defend Her. If you don't feel the same, you don't belong here.
What the hell are you bitching about. Go post this crap in an immigration thread. We are talking about Chevrolet ( an American english speaking company) who created this spanish commercial. Why haven't I read a "fuck Chevy" post. I know why, Americans are not as smart as they think. So quick to jump on a bandwagon even though they don't know where its going.
Or so quick to jump on a chevywagon to mexico!!!
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6832
Still no one feels its Chevy's fault. Blame the world problems on the US? Blame the US's problems on Mexicans? America, you truly are a bunch of retarded Neanderthals. Some times I am glad my family is from Mexico. I'm proud to be American but cmon people, educate yourselves, your making me look bad.

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-10-26 08:31:33)

Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6995|Eastern PA

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I agree to an extent, what about that Mexican man (cant remember name) who proposed a National Anthem in Spanish? That bothers me. I am not trying to insult you or argue, I am simply saying there is a line being crossed by some (not all). It is unfortunate for the thousands or more legit immagrants who have busted their ass the legal way, and have become more patriotic than some idiots who were born here, have some prick like the one I mentioned ruin their reputations. The mere notion of proposing a country shares their national anthem with another version is obsurd and not going to be tolerated no matter what we have declared as a language, or havent for that matter.
Thus far the Star-spangled Banner has been translated into Yiddish (by European Jewish immigrants, German (in 1861), Acadian French (Cajun) (by Louisiana Cajuns), and apparently American Samoa wanted to adopt it at one point (with accompanying Samoan translation of course).

At this juncture who gives a fuck if it's translated into Spanish, or Russian, or Hindi, or even Arabic. It's a fucking song and I think the US is more durable than some words on a sheet and if not, then you have much more to worry about than whether or not there's a Spanish version of the Star-Spangled Banner.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6765|Connecticut

Masques wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I agree to an extent, what about that Mexican man (cant remember name) who proposed a National Anthem in Spanish? That bothers me. I am not trying to insult you or argue, I am simply saying there is a line being crossed by some (not all). It is unfortunate for the thousands or more legit immagrants who have busted their ass the legal way, and have become more patriotic than some idiots who were born here, have some prick like the one I mentioned ruin their reputations. The mere notion of proposing a country shares their national anthem with another version is obsurd and not going to be tolerated no matter what we have declared as a language, or havent for that matter.
Thus far the Star-spangled Banner has been translated into Yiddish (by European Jewish immigrants, German (in 1861), Acadian French (Cajun) (by Louisiana Cajuns), and apparently American Samoa wanted to adopt it at one point (with accompanying Samoan translation of course).

At this juncture who gives a fuck if it's translated into Spanish, or Russian, or Hindi, or even Arabic. It's a fucking song and I think the US is more durable than some words on a sheet and if not, then you have much more to worry about than whether or not there's a Spanish version of the Star-Spangled Banner.
Its just a song? I see you have provided links for me that I wont bother to check. Perhaps I provide a link for every single Soldier, Sailor, Airmen and US Marine that have died for this country and its song. Dont tell an American it is just a "Fucking Song" you prick.
Malloy must go
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Banned
+630|6916|The Netherlands

Ryjoen wrote:

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Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6995|Eastern PA

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Its just a song? I see you have provided links for me that I wont bother to check. Perhaps I provide a link for every single Soldier, Sailor, Airmen and US Marine that have died for this country and its song. Dont tell an American it is just a "Fucking Song" you prick.
America is more than it's national anthem, or flag, or any of the other superfluous shit that people attach their patriotism to.

If the national anthem were done away with, would the US cease to exist? If the flag changed would the US cease to exist? Did the US crumble in 1861 when the national anthem was translated into German?

There's nothing wrong with being patriotic, nor being proud of one's country, but national anthems and flags and whatnot are only vague representations of any given state. Changing them does not shake the foundations of the state (which I thought was supposed to be the people and its laws, but apparently it a set of lyrics).
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6765|Connecticut

Masques wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Its just a song? I see you have provided links for me that I wont bother to check. Perhaps I provide a link for every single Soldier, Sailor, Airmen and US Marine that have died for this country and its song. Dont tell an American it is just a "Fucking Song" you prick.
America is more than it's national anthem, or flag, or any of the other superfluous shit that people attach their patriotism to.

If the national anthem were done away with, would the US cease to exist? If the flag changed would the US cease to exist? Did the US crumble in 1861 when the national anthem was translated into German?

There's nothing wrong with being patriotic, nor being proud of one's country, but national anthems and flags and whatnot are only vague representations of any given state. Changing them does not shake the foundations of the state (which I thought was supposed to be the people and its laws, but apparently it a set of lyrics).
The difference is this. The links you provided me support no evidence that anyone proposed to legislature that the anthem be sung at all public events after the English version.....like the Mexican gentleman did. Also, I am not saying our country wouldnt be able to carry on. Im saying its fucking rude. If I came to your Country on the day you celebrate your indepence and lowered your flag and wiped my ass with it Im sure the nation as a whole would continue with life. Would it piss YOU off? If you have any fuzz on your nutz then it should. Same principle. Its not a "fucking song" bro, it is FUCKING PRIDE.
Malloy must go
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6828
Navajo and Mınneconjou should be compulsory languages for ALL ımmıgrants.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6995|Eastern PA

deeznutz1245 wrote:

The difference is this. The links you provided me support no evidence that anyone proposed to legislature that the anthem be sung at all public events after the English version.....like the Mexican gentleman did. Also, I am not saying our country wouldnt be able to carry on. Im saying its fucking rude. If I came to your Country on the day you celebrate your indepence and lowered your flag and wiped my ass with it Im sure the nation as a whole would continue with life. Would it piss YOU off? If you have any fuzz on your nutz then it should. Same principle. Its not a "fucking song" bro, it is FUCKING PRIDE.
Shit on it, burn it, who fucking cares? If you went further and tried to actually harm myself or someone close to me (or in my immediate location) you'd have a big fucking problem. But I don't give a shit about some flag or song.

I care more about what legislation my government is passing or what my compatriots are doing overseas than some random asshole making a spectacle of himself with a flag. A flag or song doesn't matter, people and what they do matter.
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|6939

CameronPoe wrote:

Navajo and Mınneconjou should be compulsory languages for ALL ımmıgrants.
Why Navajo?  The Cherokee are currently the largest group of American Indians...
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6832
And still no one has come out and said fuck chevy for making this commercial. I can count the IQ level of my fellow Americans on one fucking hand!
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6962|Tampa Bay Florida
Who the hell cares?  Why does anyone care?  We're America, god damnit.  You can say what you want.  Ever been to Little Havana in Miami?  I think your head would implode if you went to that place, lowing.....

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-10-26 12:18:02)

eagles1106
Member
+269|6856|Marlton, New Jersey.

Ty wrote:

It's amazing how people kid themselves how tolerant they are.
We have ads in Maori here. My school qualification certificate was in Maori, and most Maori don't speak Maori!
You get over it. It dosn't matter. It's just a show that they are diverse.

Why are you pissed off by this? It's an ad you can't understand, Hell, MOST ads I don't understand. Did you know that Chevy didn't just sell their cars to english-speaking Americans? Yeah! Shock horror! There's nothing wrong with advertising in the language of the minority. Sure you want get the message from the ad heir running, that's the company's loss, why be outraged? The fact that a simple thing like an ad can awaken such anger in you suggests that, (and I don't want to use this word,) you are incredibly racist.

I am honestly disgusted.
Not saying that youre wrong or that anybody in here is right and im not trying to be mean but.
I believe this is why there is a little option called languages in most tv's that you click and magically the language turns to whatever you so desire?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6822|Southeastern USA
!no es bueno!
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6828

rawls2 wrote:

And still no one has come out and said fuck chevy for making this commercial. I can count the IQ level of my fellow Americans on one fucking hand!
Surely you should be commendıng Chevy for doıng somethıng extremely amerıcan, extremely capıtalıstıc - tryıng to suck ın a partıcular target market from other competıtors. No?

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