BF2S Forums Machineguns: Bullets by the billions

I like to go support on Mash. City. Perfekt if you are in a good squad. I totaly agree with you M90, cheers

Kung Jew wrote:

Anyone got an opinion on the new SF Support weap unlock vs. PKM and/or SAW when it comes to the aforementioned strategies?  The overall strategy remains appliable, but any fine tuning to what you've posted already?

I haven't got SF, and haven't nicked any unlocks. Sorry. Will eventually revise this post when i get SF and the needed time to do so.

Kung Jew wrote:

Anyone got an opinion on the new SF Support weap unlock vs. PKM and/or SAW when it comes to the aforementioned strategies?  The overall strategy remains appliable, but any fine tuning to what you've posted already?

Well the MG36 is a beautiful gun, but since to get it you've already unlocked the PKM your first reaction is going to be along the lines of "What the hell? This thing is firing pins!". It doesn't have the raw "You are about to die" feel like getting shot at by a PKM does, but it is a very efficient little girl. It also has the option of 3 round bursts, which is interesting.

Since it's based on the G36 system, it handles a lot like the G36C and the G36E. Obviously because it is a full machine gun it is much less accurate, but it gives you an idea of how it will perform. It handles similarly to the SAW, I think, though it has been a while since I used the pure weapons (other than the m24, my precious). Like all MGs, don't bother trying to engage at long ranges, you're better off using cover / tear gas to close the distance to 20 - 40m.

I would say that you don't need to know anything new in particular to handle the MG36. Like always, when you change weapons you need to adjust to how the new weapon handles, but sticking to the same ways of using it as with other guns, you will get the good stuff happening.

In general with MGs, my own experience is roughly:

- Always fire prone or in iron sights. Preferably both. Even at close range and standing up, iron sights will often give you the edge you need. Also, if you're surprised, diving to the ground usually screws up your enemy's aim, and then you can let loose. I also once came up behind a sniper, and instead of knifing, I went prone, lined up carefully, and let 20 bullets into his head. I imagine he was rather startled.

- A good burst length is 6 - 20 rounds. With the PKM you want more like 4-8 because it is more powerful. You probably shouldn't even try to hit them if they are >50m because you may as well just stand on the edge of a river and throw ammo bags into it. A carbine or rifle will beat you easily if you engage it at the wrong range. You want to be close enough that your high rate of fire and amount of ammo makes a difference

- Bluff your enemies. A smart player will try to beat his enemy quickly and effectively by returning fire in the same manner, but a little faster. So if you're single shotting, they will do the same, and if you burst, they will do the same. But if you are bold enough to fire in more continuous streams, they will likely do the same. Soon, they will need to reload and you will still have 60+ bullets to burst into their soft, delicious flesh.

- Engage enemies in your weapon's killing zone. For a machinegun, this is <1m for close range spraying, 5-20m for long bursts, and 20-45m for short bursts. This is all just rule-of-thumb stuff, of course. I base it on feeling that at around 15m, the rate of fire and magazine depth of an MG allows you to put huge amounts of lead into people. Getting kills is all about putting yourself in the situations where you have the best chance of putting the most bullets onto the largest number of targets in the shortest amount of time.

- And finally, it can be tempting to try to lie in wait for people, but:
If you aren't firing, DONT STAY PRONE!
As support you should be either prone and firing, or on your feet running around throwing ammo at people. If you're prone and you aren't firing, you're a sitting duck. Do you want to be a duck? The answer is NO!

Nice job all. Some good information. Am I the only one who noticed the OPs tactics say to not use ADS, He_who_says_Zonk does use ADS?

Also, I have seen this asked in other posts but none of the replies were satisfactory to me and seeing that you folks have a bit more understanding of that which we loving call Bf2.

How do you judge distances when using small arms?

Thanks in advance. Love this game.

God dam boy u got talent mabe not with a gun!!! but u got it with your keyboard?

Nufuhsus wrote:

Nice job all. Some good information. Am I the only one who noticed the OPs tactics say to not use ADS, He_who_says_Zonk does use ADS?

pardon?

How do you judge distances when using small arms?

Thanks in advance. Love this game.

I mostly got an idea of it from fighting around flags... since it says the distance on the flag, and you can see how big someone is next to it, it gives you an idea of how far things are.

Also, on the inf maps (Karkand, Sharqi, Mashtuur) you can get an idea of distances by the number of buildings along the road between you and the enemy.

I don't think knowing the distances in numbers is too important. It's more important to have a feel for what range is too much for your gun. Obviously if you're 100m away from someone and spraying at them with an m249, you aren't going to be getting many hits, and if you're right next to them you'll be getting a lot, so you have to find the balance between them, where if they are any further than X distance, it isn't worth engaging them until you get closer.

divided wrote:

I should make a bunnyhopping/dolphin diving/superman gliding guide.

I should kill you.

RKF77 wrote:

{DS}Serge wrote:

whats the point of this post???

What's the point of yours?

lol  lol  lol  lol   Dude that gave me a good laugh

Something that's not been mentioned and everyone who's anyone already knows - the first stage of sniper training should be to take some time and play as support.

There are two reasons for this - 1) the machineguns have crosshairs which converge (narrow together) as you settle, so if you're running they are far apart and if you are still then they are close together. When teaching n00bs how to shoot properly, to be able to visually SEE the aimerror is invaluable; 2) play as support and really pay attention, because you get 3 indicators for who needs ammo (audible "running dry..", mini-map, and ammobar above team-mates) no matter how well you think you know the maps, by paying attention to those indicators you'll find a friendly sniper who has found a spot you didn't know about before.

Gah, at least DICE was consistent with the damage for the MG36 compared to the other G36's.  Why doesn't it get their accuracy too, though?  People literally mount telescopic scopes on this gun in real life and SNIPE with it...  And where's the semi-auto mode, too?

totally second that!!! but we must remember 1 thing, most people dont play for the well-being of the team, they play for THEMSELVES!!!

divided wrote:

I should make a bunnyhopping/dolphin diving/superman gliding guide.

yes please.... i suck at  superman gliding