it was a quote by Chaz Bufe. I don't think you are understanding what i am trying to get at. The war in Iraq is unjust. To go there thinking you are serving your 'country' is naive. Unless serving your country now means to support the econimic growth by occupying land that has more resources and handing your companies the contract. Yes Sadam was an asshole, yes he needed to be removed, but he had nothing to do with this so called 'war on terror'. Im all for supporting troops if it is a just war. WW2 is an example. But Sadam was in no means a threat like Hitler was. So to blindly follow your egotistical, money grabbing utalitarian government is NOT patriotic. It is the exact opposite. Your foriegn policies are inciting hatred around the world. There are many more things i could say but no doubt the 'patriotic' ones out there will call me a left wing hippe blah blah blah so it isn't worth it. America is just one confused, messed up young country like every other country was and still is in some cases. It's like a spoilt child with big toys. Keep going like this and one day you'll self destruct. Hopefully though, like many spoilt brats, you'll grow up and act more responsibly. This is the last i have to say on this topic because it's not worth getting into a slagging match over it.whittsend wrote:
It is good that we have people willing to serve without regard to their personal safety or political preferences. Without such people, a free society would be impossible.wlater12 wrote:
I can't tell whether you are saying this is a good thing or not.whittsend wrote:
Not to imply that he doesn't have a view, but; he is an American serviceman. He goes where he is told to go, and does what he is told to do. It's called duty.Lest anyone believe that is an actual definition:wlater12 wrote:
DUTY, n. A concept of slaves, a tool of tyrants. Doing what other people want you to do because they want you to do it.His committment to duty allows you the ability to dissent.Merriam-Webster wrote:
Main Entry: 1du·ty
Pronunciation: 'dü-tE also 'dyü-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural duties
Etymology: Middle English duete, from Anglo-French dueté, from Old French deu due
1 : conduct due to parents and superiors : RESPECT
2 a : obligatory tasks, conduct, service, or functions that arise from one's position (as in life or in a group) b (1) : assigned service or business (2) : active military service (3) : a period of being on duty
3 a : a moral or legal obligation b : the force of moral obligation
4 : TAX; especially : a tax on imports
5 a : WORK 1a b (1) : the service required (as of an electric machine) under specified conditions (2) : functional application : USE <got double duty out of the trip> (3) : use as a substitute <making the word do duty for the thing -- Edward Sapir>
synonym see FUNCTION, TASK
- off duty : free from assignment or responsibility
- on duty : engaged in or responsible for an assigned task or duty
- Superior Mind
- (not macbeth)
- +1,755|6966
Do me a favor and don't die or else *shakes fist around like Homer Simpom*
If you can avoid battle, AVOID IT, you don't wanna get post traumatic stress disorder, do ya?
GOOD LUCK! And remember, teamwork wins a battle not 1337 noobtubing .
If you can avoid battle, AVOID IT, you don't wanna get post traumatic stress disorder, do ya?
GOOD LUCK! And remember, teamwork wins a battle not 1337 noobtubing .
I don't think _you_ get what _I'm_ saying. If you choose to serve your country, you don't get to choose where you go and where you don't. It _must_ be that way to ensure civilian control over the military.wlater12 wrote:
it was a quote by Chaz Bufe. I don't think you are understanding what i am trying to get at. The war in Iraq is unjust. To go there thinking you are serving your 'country' is naive. Unless serving your country now means to support the econimic growth by occupying land that has more resources and handing your companies the contract. Yes Sadam was an asshole, yes he needed to be removed, but he had nothing to do with this so called 'war on terror'. Im all for supporting troops if it is a just war. WW2 is an example. But Sadam was in no means a threat like Hitler was. So to blindly follow your egotistical, money grabbing utalitarian government is NOT patriotic. It is the exact opposite. Your foriegn policies are inciting hatred around the world. There are many more things i could say but no doubt the 'patriotic' ones out there will call me a left wing hippe blah blah blah so it isn't worth it. America is just one confused, messed up young country like every other country was and still is in some cases. It's like a spoilt child with big toys. Keep going like this and one day you'll self destruct. Hopefully though, like many spoilt brats, you'll grow up and act more responsibly. This is the last i have to say on this topic because it's not worth getting into a slagging match over it.
Last edited by whittsend (2006-01-06 14:29:16)
Good luck, and stay safe!
Just wondering... Did they teach you bunny hopping and dolphin diving in basic?
Stay safe.
Stay safe.
keep your head down mate
Well untill you have seen someone's shadow on a wall made out of their blood with 3 bullets to the head and 17 to the torso you can kiss my ass. They shot at me enough when i was over there and had a chinese rocket land 25 yards from me that didn't detonate almost made me shit myself. Balad is like the land of mortars....most the time they can't hit shit though. Still was so much fun in that 130 degree heat. Good Luck man cause you will need it. I go back there again next January round about....wooo hooo round two(FUCK ME). I believe in the cause.....i just hate the heat.wlater12 wrote:
OK, i'm probably going to get totally 'flamed' as they say and have alot of random insults thrown my way but i have to ask. What exaclty do you think you are fighting for? Huh, OK, 'flame' away.
The very existence of armaments and great armies psychologically accustoms us to accept the philosophy of militarism. They inevitably increase fear and hate in the world.
Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war in which the folly and wickedness of the government may engage itself?
I'll be leaving soon hopefully. Im trying to get back in the Army. My medical waiver has been turned down 3 times already. So it looks like I might only be able to get back in if I go National Guard. Which is ok, as long as I get back in. I just wanted to go 11B, but my recruiter is pushing me to go 18X and eventually 18B. We'll see, going to 46 weeks of training isn't too much fun. But Special Forces would be fun. If I decide to go 11B, Rangers is were I would try and end up at. Unfortunatley, I have to do basic over again, but its not too bad. Maybe ill see you over there. I would probably be attatched to the 20th Special Forces Group based out of Maryland. Good luck soldier. BTW, what MOS are you?
Last edited by 1tdiestoday (2006-01-11 23:43:30)
Don't bunnyhopp and teamkill. And be careful with hitting teammates with the HMMWV, they'll just die. And no n00btoobing. And watch out for claymores! And no chopperwh0ring! And no planewh0ring.
Reply to Original: Don't fight for the cause, fight for the guy next to you.
Saddamn Hussein was a despot yes, but if he would not be the first stop down that road. This war is about securing Iraqs oil resources, is that defending the US Constitution that you swore to do ?
Saddamn Hussein was a despot yes, but if he would not be the first stop down that road. This war is about securing Iraqs oil resources, is that defending the US Constitution that you swore to do ?
He also swore to obey the orders of the officers appointed over him.
Hmmmm.Horseman 77 wrote:
lol what a mutt.Azr4eL wrote:
Free Iraq! Always with the Iraqy Resistance!No_Way25 wrote:
Well, I'll Be Leaving Again For My Second Tour In Iraq Around The Dec. Time Frame And I Just Wanted To Know If There Was Anyone Else Leaving For A Tour And Will Miss Their Bf2?
Sorry man, I hope ALL of you return SAFE to home... But I think is time to you to RETURN to HOME!!!!
he's probebly at. The University of Vermont with the last hold out of hippies
listening to " Phish "
Dreaming of comunisim
Spending his dad cash
tanking up his dads VW Jetta with his dads Exxon Credidt card.
Getting Fat hippie chick furry unwaxed pussy with hairy armpits, when he does get it.
The rest of the time he wacks it to " Bay Watch "
Never carried a weapon in his life.
Voted for Nader.
So if I carry a gun i will be a better person?
Sorry horseman, but I think you are one of the most narrow-minded person I've ever seen...
Making these kind of stereotypes is just... stupid.
I1m sorry but my family is more important than my country, and getting myself killed for nothing wont help them.
I wont say this if it was to DEFEND my home from AGGRESSORS...
People that actually are proactive in the way we win this war fuckhead!Hakula wrote:
Who the ")#%" wants to go to Iraq?
Dude absolute best of luck to you over there, I just did a tour over the summer. I was at Al Asad airfield with almost all Marines (I am USAF), I made alot of good friends over there, and some drinking buddies when we returned. I could tell you all day long to stay low and all that. But the thing to remember is to stay safe and always, even if it sounds completely retarded and stupid, do what your CO tells you, it may be stupid or retarded, but hes telling you to keep you alive at the expense of his own life. I made the most of my time, and thats all you should be thinking about. Take pics of family, keep us updated. and if you IM me your E-mail addy over there, I will send you screenshots of the new booster packs and all that! Keep us up to date and stay safe, come home in one piece. America is behind you and we support you!
- Little Rock AFB 314 LRS wishes you best of luck
Your family is a part of this country, its not about importance or priorities here. Its about what you love and hold dear. You like the ability to sit in your room and play BF2? Well you think that we would even have BF2 if more people were like you in WWII? What if Hitler won? Your ass would be speaking German and English would be your second language, if you were even allowed to have that! What if more people were like you and we didnt have those wonderful SOCOM troops during the Cold War? How far would the Iron Curtain's shroud affected us? And you know what a good DEFENSE is only comparable to a good OFFENSE. I bet you were one of those Americans that called for blood on September 11th 2001, and here you are 5 years later whining how we need to leave Iraq because troops are getting killed, and people are suffering. Well its NARROW minded people like you that does not see all the good we are doing over there. Watch CNN and you get lies son. You dont have the first god damn clue what it means to serve your country! Iraqi Security Forces are all but up and ready to go, we are still hot on Osamas tracks (ok maybe not), but regardless of what you believe and all the crap you hear on the news is often prettied up to get ratings, thats the cold hard truth son. And am I not mistaken but have we had an attack on US soil since 2001? I think not! Yeah the cowards attacked London, but something is being done about it, and I promise now that they got a wake up call, and if im not mistaken we are backed by them more now than ever! Get your facts straight, dont comment on a subject you have no idea about, you aint got the first clue of what it means and what it takes to serve your country that has given you more freedom than you know what to do with and you take for granted on a daily basis. So sit on your butt and play games, enjoy your freedom, but dont forget about the boys sweating their ass off and working 12-18 hour days with little to no days off, good hot showers, sand/dust storms, sleep deprived, sleeping in dirt holes, sick, missing wives children, son/daughters first steps, their child being born, etc. These men all sacrifice so you can do this. And i sincerely hope you take what i have said into serious consideration all of you that smart off to this troop taking 4 months to a year or more off his life to make sure people are safe. God bless!Hmmmm.
So if I carry a gun i will be a better person?
Sorry horseman, but I think you are one of the most narrow-minded person I've ever seen...
Making these kind of stereotypes is just... stupid.
I1m sorry but my family is more important than my country, and getting myself killed for nothing wont help them.
I wont say this if it was to DEFEND my home from AGGRESSORS...
Always remember, Marines never die. If you die, you'll be in a world of shit! (To quote one of my favorite movies).
I hate this "war," (It's really not a war, as Bush never went and got Congressional approval to go to formally declare War on anything), I hate the people who instigated it, and the people who made it happen.
But I support your entry into our Armed Forces, despite whatever mission you are sent to carry out. You go serve, and the rest of us will do our own battles here to bring you guys home.
I hate this "war," (It's really not a war, as Bush never went and got Congressional approval to go to formally declare War on anything), I hate the people who instigated it, and the people who made it happen.
But I support your entry into our Armed Forces, despite whatever mission you are sent to carry out. You go serve, and the rest of us will do our own battles here to bring you guys home.
Chill man!
Shit
I think we can talk this through in a more civilized manner.
"Your family is a part of this country, its not about importance or priorities here."
Still, I'd rather die for my family than for my country, and yes there are priorities.My family is much more important.Call me a coward or whatever you want, but that's how it is.If your country is the attacker you have the choice to join the army or not, it is just you who could die.If you are protecting your country you dont have a choice because your family is in danger also.
"Well you think that we would even have BF2 if more people were like you in WWII? What if Hitler won? Your ass would be speaking German and English would be your second language, if you were even allowed to have that!"
Wait a minute...I said if it was to protect my country I agree to join the army.Hitler ran over almost all of Europe, if I was there I'd have joined the forces for sure to defend.You know my country was never strong enough to attack someone. The last time we attacked someone was maybe in the 12th century.We had nothing but rebellions which were usually a failure.
"I bet you were one of those Americans that called for blood on September 11th 2001, and here you are 5 years later whining how we need to leave Iraq because troops are getting killed, and people are suffering."
Uhmm, where did I say that?And by the way...I'm Hungarian
"Watch CNN and you get lies son."
Quote from myself from the France Supports Terrorist States topic:
Perhaps you are doin good things there (Idid not say you didn't), but it does not affect me.
If you are right then you should also be thankful for us hungarians, because for example a hungarian person discovered vitamin C(Szentgyörgyi Albert), a hungarian person (Neumann János) laid down the basics of computers, a hungarian person put and end to common toddler death (Semmelweis Ignác) etc.
Was anyone thankful for that?I dont think so...
"you aint got the first clue of what it means and what it takes to serve your country that has given you more freedom than you know what to do with and you take for granted on a daily basis."
Ummm, you are wrong. My country did not give me my freedom.When we were occupied by the russian forces there was only one rebellion in 1956, after that,nothing. In 1990 the russian forces drew back in 1990 and the new government stated that Hungary is a republic from now on and that's all.
"So sit on your butt and play games, enjoy your freedom, but dont forget about the boys sweating their ass off and working 12-18 hour days with little to no days off, good hot showers, sand/dust storms, sleep deprived, sleeping in dirt holes, sick, missing wives children, son/daughters first steps, their child being born, etc. These men all sacrifice so you can do this. And i sincerely hope you take what i have said into serious consideration all of you that smart off to this troop taking 4 months to a year or more off his life to make sure people are safe. God bless!"
I did not ask them to go there. Anyway My country has nothing to do with this whole scene, so I dont see why should I be thankful for them. They gave nothing to me.If you would like to go then be my guest but
dont expect any emphaty from me and dont expect me to be thankful because whatever you do has nothing to do with me.
I forgive for those swearings you made and the bad attitude, because you did not know that im not from the US...happens to anyone.
But still, I dont think carrying a gun would make me a better person.
And those who did not serve in the army are not generally "hippies listening to Phish, spending daddy's money etc..."
THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
Shit
I think we can talk this through in a more civilized manner.
"Your family is a part of this country, its not about importance or priorities here."
Still, I'd rather die for my family than for my country, and yes there are priorities.My family is much more important.Call me a coward or whatever you want, but that's how it is.If your country is the attacker you have the choice to join the army or not, it is just you who could die.If you are protecting your country you dont have a choice because your family is in danger also.
"Well you think that we would even have BF2 if more people were like you in WWII? What if Hitler won? Your ass would be speaking German and English would be your second language, if you were even allowed to have that!"
Wait a minute...I said if it was to protect my country I agree to join the army.Hitler ran over almost all of Europe, if I was there I'd have joined the forces for sure to defend.You know my country was never strong enough to attack someone. The last time we attacked someone was maybe in the 12th century.We had nothing but rebellions which were usually a failure.
"I bet you were one of those Americans that called for blood on September 11th 2001, and here you are 5 years later whining how we need to leave Iraq because troops are getting killed, and people are suffering."
Uhmm, where did I say that?And by the way...I'm Hungarian
"Watch CNN and you get lies son."
Quote from myself from the France Supports Terrorist States topic:
"Well its NARROW minded people like you that does not see all the good we are doing over there."(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
Has anyone seen "Wag the dog"?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
yes i do agree w/ u, news agency's are showing things on what the journolist think that happened, u dont get the real perspectiveB.Schuss wrote:
France sold weapons to Iraq ? Guess what, some of the weapons the Iranians have were delivered by the USA. No nation has a clean sheet on the weapons deals issue.
I agree w/u.
Perhaps you are doin good things there (Idid not say you didn't), but it does not affect me.
If you are right then you should also be thankful for us hungarians, because for example a hungarian person discovered vitamin C(Szentgyörgyi Albert), a hungarian person (Neumann János) laid down the basics of computers, a hungarian person put and end to common toddler death (Semmelweis Ignác) etc.
Was anyone thankful for that?I dont think so...
"you aint got the first clue of what it means and what it takes to serve your country that has given you more freedom than you know what to do with and you take for granted on a daily basis."
Ummm, you are wrong. My country did not give me my freedom.When we were occupied by the russian forces there was only one rebellion in 1956, after that,nothing. In 1990 the russian forces drew back in 1990 and the new government stated that Hungary is a republic from now on and that's all.
"So sit on your butt and play games, enjoy your freedom, but dont forget about the boys sweating their ass off and working 12-18 hour days with little to no days off, good hot showers, sand/dust storms, sleep deprived, sleeping in dirt holes, sick, missing wives children, son/daughters first steps, their child being born, etc. These men all sacrifice so you can do this. And i sincerely hope you take what i have said into serious consideration all of you that smart off to this troop taking 4 months to a year or more off his life to make sure people are safe. God bless!"
I did not ask them to go there. Anyway My country has nothing to do with this whole scene, so I dont see why should I be thankful for them. They gave nothing to me.If you would like to go then be my guest but
dont expect any emphaty from me and dont expect me to be thankful because whatever you do has nothing to do with me.
I forgive for those swearings you made and the bad attitude, because you did not know that im not from the US...happens to anyone.
But still, I dont think carrying a gun would make me a better person.
And those who did not serve in the army are not generally "hippies listening to Phish, spending daddy's money etc..."
THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
Last edited by (HUN)Rudebwoy (2006-01-18 18:12:31)
Here is the primary thing though. We went to war to defend out country from cowardly attacks on innocent civilians. They killed women and children, people who had just started to see what life had to offer. Now imagine if someone had flown two planes into one of your most important establishments killing thousands with out reason. You would definately want war and call for their blood. Its human nature to want vengeance for killing innocent people. The damage we have done to their organization though is substantial. We have kept them on the move, frozen countless accounts, killed or captured, and kept them from attacking american civilians. While yes we have lost lives in the war they have lost alot more than we have. Just think about that, in a way we are defending out families and upholding the oath we took on our enlistment or commission. I know any country if they had the power to do so would do what we are doing. And FYI....the oil is not in US controll. Its now in the Iraqi Governments control.
Straight and simple to the point is, if your country is in danger, your family will fall right behind it. Your country should then be placed in that priority spot by default. If those assholes break the countries barriers, they eventually reach home, to your family. Will they, more than likely not, because all of Europe would stop that, and even we would step in, just to say we were involved. Dont take what I said too seriously dude, not to be mean, but I dont expect you to understand, im not being sarcastic at all, I really am not trying to be an ass. I mean I know how it feels to serve, I know what its like and how to do it. Because I know that things like 9/11 have a massive domino effect, as it proved, and if I want to keep my family safe I keep my country safe, even if that does mean i do a job pushing pallets, loading and balancing aircraft. I dont really feel like going into a massive speel about what i do, I just got off shift. But...we push really heavy stuff on really big airplanes! HOOORAH!!
Allright man, I accept your point.
You are right that I dont really know how a war really goes.You are right that I dont know what it takes to serve my country.
But the question that triggered this whole argument was: Does this make me a bad guy?A coward? An ignorant ass?
I was just reacting to Horseman77's post on those people who did not fight.
But Im glad we could settle this.
I've never said that I have a problem with you guys.Never.It is just sometimes weird what your president does.
I dont know what is really going on, noone knows (as you said: "Watch CNN and you get lies son!")
and noone knows the real one and only reason you are fighting for.
But maybe that person who wrote this (maybe in this topic, I dont know) has a good point:"Dont fight for the cause, fight for the man next to you."
You are right that I dont really know how a war really goes.You are right that I dont know what it takes to serve my country.
But the question that triggered this whole argument was: Does this make me a bad guy?A coward? An ignorant ass?
I was just reacting to Horseman77's post on those people who did not fight.
But Im glad we could settle this.
I've never said that I have a problem with you guys.Never.It is just sometimes weird what your president does.
I dont know what is really going on, noone knows (as you said: "Watch CNN and you get lies son!")
and noone knows the real one and only reason you are fighting for.
But maybe that person who wrote this (maybe in this topic, I dont know) has a good point:"Dont fight for the cause, fight for the man next to you."
Good luck, and be careful
Good luck and be careful : those damned insurgents "RPG-7 whore" a lot (they even managed to shot down a chooper with one of these antiquities) Always rely on your teamates and your trustfully M16A2 !
Just remember, if anyone gets in a tank before you, call 'em an armour whore and try to get them banned from RL, if that's..possible.
Hopefully we won't hear anything on the news about some freakishly excited soldier that seems to be jumping around firing his tube at everything in site.
I'm an 16 year old Aussie, not planning on doing miiltary service but I might do reserves, *probably*, anyway, what are you? Army, Navy or Air Force?
Hopefully we won't hear anything on the news about some freakishly excited soldier that seems to be jumping around firing his tube at everything in site.
I'm an 16 year old Aussie, not planning on doing miiltary service but I might do reserves, *probably*, anyway, what are you? Army, Navy or Air Force?
Dont forget to watch out for the children.
Too bad most of the people fighting in Iraq are brainwashed into thinking a self-centered point of view, it's just my opinion but you don't invade another country over something like 9/11, you should have done it to get rid of Saddam, but it seems that was a fallback plan instigated by Bush in case WMD's were found.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Your family is a part of this country, its not about importance or priorities here. Its about what you love and hold dear. You like the ability to sit in your room and play BF2? Well you think that we would even have BF2 if more people were like you in WWII? What if Hitler won? Your ass would be speaking German and English would be your second language, if you were even allowed to have that! What if more people were like you and we didnt have those wonderful SOCOM troops during the Cold War? How far would the Iron Curtain's shroud affected us? And you know what a good DEFENSE is only comparable to a good OFFENSE. I bet you were one of those Americans that called for blood on September 11th 2001, and here you are 5 years later whining how we need to leave Iraq because troops are getting killed, and people are suffering. Well its NARROW minded people like you that does not see all the good we are doing over there. Watch CNN and you get lies son. You dont have the first god damn clue what it means to serve your country! Iraqi Security Forces are all but up and ready to go, we are still hot on Osamas tracks (ok maybe not), but regardless of what you believe and all the crap you hear on the news is often prettied up to get ratings, thats the cold hard truth son. And am I not mistaken but have we had an attack on US soil since 2001? I think not! Yeah the cowards attacked London, but something is being done about it, and I promise now that they got a wake up call, and if im not mistaken we are backed by them more now than ever! Get your facts straight, dont comment on a subject you have no idea about, you aint got the first clue of what it means and what it takes to serve your country that has given you more freedom than you know what to do with and you take for granted on a daily basis. So sit on your butt and play games, enjoy your freedom, but dont forget about the boys sweating their ass off and working 12-18 hour days with little to no days off, good hot showers, sand/dust storms, sleep deprived, sleeping in dirt holes, sick, missing wives children, son/daughters first steps, their child being born, etc. These men all sacrifice so you can do this. And i sincerely hope you take what i have said into serious consideration all of you that smart off to this troop taking 4 months to a year or more off his life to make sure people are safe. God bless!Hmmmm.
So if I carry a gun i will be a better person?
Sorry horseman, but I think you are one of the most narrow-minded person I've ever seen...
Making these kind of stereotypes is just... stupid.
I1m sorry but my family is more important than my country, and getting myself killed for nothing wont help them.
I wont say this if it was to DEFEND my home from AGGRESSORS...
Most people would reply saying it's in retaliation to 9/11, they killed women and children etc., oh so, it's really bad if THEY do it, but it's ok if you recklessley bombard a city filled with civilians? Oh sure, there's justification in that.
Yeah, anyway, Good Luck, stay low and all that other stuff, don't come back in a casket, which you probably won't.
From a former 11B, take care of yourself, check your six and hope you and all the other men and women return home soon. Until then all us folks in blue have got your back.