{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6834|Florida
I searched to see if any topics of this had been posted yet, but I didnt see it.

Apparently North Korea apologized for their nuke test, and said they arent planning on testing a second one.  According to the article, they apologized, and had said this all to a Chinese envoy, or someone of the Chinese government or media.  Maybe Kim finally realized "Ahhh shit, I screwed up royally here...everyone hates me now".  Or maybe this is just some type of scam to get us to talk to them again.  Same as always, they do as much stuff to try and get our attention it seems.

AP wrote:

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Il expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to a Chinese delegation and said Pyongyang would return to nuclear talks if Washington backs off from its financial sanctions, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.

Kim told the Chinese delegation that he conveyed his regrets to Beijing for the nuclear test, the newspaper reported.

The delegation led by State Councilor Tang Jiaxuan met Kim on Thursday and returned to Beijing later that day -- ahead of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's arrival in the Chinese capital Friday.

China is viewed as a key nation in efforts to persuade the North to disarm, as it is the isolated communist nation's main trading partner.

North Korea has long insisted that the U.S. desist from a campaign to sever its ties to the international financial system. Washington accuses Pyongyang of complicity in counterfeiting and money laundering to sell weapons of mass destruction.

The North has refused since last November to return to the nuclear talks, which also include China, Japan, Russia and South Korea. Pyongyang has sought bolster its negotiating position by a series of provocative actions, test-firing a barrage of missiles in July and performing its first-ever nuclear test October 9.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6905

I'll be your friend...

EDIT: Dammit, I need a beer, I spelt friend wrong....

Last edited by ghettoperson (2006-10-20 10:54:27)

dislexiclawyer
Member
+11|6700|Missouri
Its like in Mars Attacks when the alien emperor shakes hands with the president, then his hand turns into a robot spider and kills the president. I think we should replace Kim's head with the taco bell dog's head.

But yeah I would be weary of this, it doesn't sound right.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6853|Seattle

"Awe according to Pwan...."

https://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/70c7d9beab.jpg
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Deadman
Member
+34|6698|England
I think It's all some kind of twisted propaganda.
But what do I know.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

He regrets? Does anyone seriously think he did not know the consequences before hand?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California
Ok, either China's leaders laid the smackdown on Kim in their recent meeting and scared the shit out of kimmy, or it's just a poor, poor ploy to try and retract his bluff at getting what he wants after trying to get something for acting tough.

My guess is China used some serious language to get him to grow up a little.  Good on China!
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6853|Seattle

IRONCHEF wrote:

Ok, either China's leaders laid the smackdown on Kim in their recent meeting and scared the shit out of kimmy, or it's just a poor, poor ploy to try and retract his bluff at getting what he wants after trying to get something for acting tough.

My guess is China used some serious language to get him to grow up a little.  Good on China!
In other words, we did a great job of pressuring China into laying the smack down on 'lil kim.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California
No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7030|North Hollywood
lil kim is a master of psyOps. We stand no chance!
SGT.Slayero
Member
+98|6721|Life in a vacuum sucks
i will b ur friend



check ur xfire

Last edited by SGT.Slayero (2006-10-20 11:25:33)

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6834|Florida
I find it hard to take this guy seriously
https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i143/christurner85/kim_jong_il.jpg

"Why is everyone so fuckin' stupid", Ill make a nuke and show you how I fewal.......ahhhh damn it, Im sawy, will the U.S. be my fwiend and talk to me again?"

Im curious to know what this guy is up to.  I kind of agree with Ironchef, I think its a ploy to try and get what he wants out of us and the rest of the world.  He wants us to get rid of the financial restrictions we have on him.....well, buddy, I hate to break it to ya, but if you didnt live like a king while your civilians live like slaves, and you didnt act like a tard all the time and make threats to us....you know, we might just be a little more friendly to ya.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6853|Seattle

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
...Like you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the whitehouse or who talked to who or who said what. Don't act like you know everything dewd, you don't. That's pure ignorance. You can only speculate, just like the rest of us. I'm pretty god damn sure the international community has laid some serious pressure on China to get serious with him.
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Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6902

King_County_Downy wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
...Like you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the whitehouse or who talked to who or who said what. Don't act like you know everything dewd, you don't. That's pure ignorance. You can only speculate, just like the rest of us. I'm pretty god damn sure the international community has laid some serious pressure on China to get serious with him.
Didn't you hear? IRONCHEF knows everything:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't read any articles lately saying that North Korea actually sold weapons or technology to anyone.  Did you read that or something?  or do you also not know what you're talking about?

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh, and I'd love for you to cite some of the "science" that proves evolution.  Then I'd love for you to tackle the truth that scientist are just dumb, slow, vain men and women trying to discover how God created things, seasons, time and space.  They get it now and then, but mostly they are dealing with adversaries beyond their understanding.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Again, is there proof or a theory.  Judging by your citations, I see that you don't know.  Discovery channel and Nat'l Geographic channel are television producers and they play films created by people reporting things both true and not.  But if that's the proof you need, then by goly, continue to live in ignorance.
Just report him for trolling, because that's all he's doing. He's attempting to derail this thread.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-10-20 11:42:40)

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6834|Florida
Fancy....................I gotta hand it to ya.....you rule.


Kmarion wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

I find it hard to take this guy seriously
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i143/ … ong_il.jpg
People take him seriously just like people take this psychotic clown seriously..
http://www.askmen.com/men/business_poli … h_150e.JPG
Go climb the fence at the Whitehouse, see if they take you seriously.
Ha ha, that would be humorous to see.  I wouldnt call Bush a psychotic clown....hes far from psychotic.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6794|Long Island, New York
"and said Pyongyang would return to nuclear talks if Washington backs off from its financial sanctions"

That's ridiculous. The US would have never even imposed or thought about sanctions if they returned to the table for talks.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California

King_County_Downy wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
...Like you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the whitehouse or who talked to who or who said what. Don't act like you know everything dewd, you don't. That's pure ignorance. You can only speculate, just like the rest of us. I'm pretty god damn sure the international community has laid some serious pressure on China to get serious with him.
I'm sorry, did i say "I know we didn't do jack?"  No, I said "I doubt..."  THis is an opinion that suggests speculation.  Because like you said, i don't know.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6965|Wilmington, DE, US
Not another e-thugging
l41e
Member
+677|6904

Ikarti wrote:

Not another e-thugging
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
...Like you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the whitehouse or who talked to who or who said what. Don't act like you know everything dewd, you don't. That's pure ignorance. You can only speculate, just like the rest of us. I'm pretty god damn sure the international community has laid some serious pressure on China to get serious with him.
Didn't you hear? IRONCHEF knows everything:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't read any articles lately saying that North Korea actually sold weapons or technology to anyone.  Did you read that or something?  or do you also not know what you're talking about?

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh, and I'd love for you to cite some of the "science" that proves evolution.  Then I'd love for you to tackle the truth that scientist are just dumb, slow, vain men and women trying to discover how God created things, seasons, time and space.  They get it now and then, but mostly they are dealing with adversaries beyond their understanding.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Again, is there proof or a theory.  Judging by your citations, I see that you don't know.  Discovery channel and Nat'l Geographic channel are television producers and they play films created by people reporting things both true and not.  But if that's the proof you need, then by goly, continue to live in ignorance.
Just report him for trolling, because that's all he's doing. He's attempting to derail this thread.
Everytime you quote me with out of context citations, and fail to contribute to threads, you are being a troll, plain and simple.  So how bout growing up and adding to the discussion instead of trying to get karma for copying and pasting me all day?  Surely you have your own opinions and facts?  Or are you scared to share them for fear of reprisal?
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6756|Los Angeles

King_County_Downy wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

No, I doubt we did jack.  China did what China wanted to do, at it's own rate, totally independent of us.  They have their security council seat, they have ALL power over NK (we don't have ANY power over NK), and they know Kim better than us because they still deal diplomatically with NK.  Of course, I'm sure Rice will take the credit for it as if we had ANYTHING to do with it.
...Like you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the whitehouse or who talked to who or who said what. Don't act like you know everything dewd, you don't. That's pure ignorance. You can only speculate, just like the rest of us. I'm pretty god damn sure the international community has laid some serious pressure on China to get serious with him.
Personally I don't pretend to know everything but I have been following NE Asian affairs for a decade, lived in Seoul for almost 5 years, and speak Korean fluently. And in my humble opinion, Ironchef is most likely correct.

If you have been following the US-Pyongyang and Beijing-Pyongyang bilaterals, the 6-party talks, and know the history of the American military footprint in NE Asia for the past decade, you'll understand that Beijing has always stuck bananas in its ears when Japan and the US has tried to influence its policies toward North Korea. That includes with Clinton.

Has Christopher Hill and Bush been asking China for years now to get tougher on NK? Of course. Yet nothing significant has happened as a result. Anything Beijing is doing now has got to be a direct result of the nuclear testing. NK is causing instability and China doesn't like it.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|6883|Canada
china didnt want NK to test nukes, cuz if there was a conflict b/c of it, China would have to deal with all the refugees. they were not thinking about the world, just them.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California
Yep, which is why China started building it's wall on the border the day of the test...long before anyone even got their press releases out.  China knows that it is in control of NK..and if NK has nukes, then that could offset China's grip on NK.  China made NK what it is, but it seems Kim has been an ungrateful hoe to his pimp, and now china got it's bitch slap on kimmy finally.  Kim probably wet himself after that meeting! lol
smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|6887|USA
china sent a stronly worded letter in all caps!
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6853|Seattle

smtt686 wrote:

china sent a stronly worded letter in all caps!
Do they make squigle capslock? I gotta get that

And I'm still not buying the fact that America's pressure on China has made little or no effect on what was said to NK.
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