west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
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_j5689_ wrote:

He has to get the rest of the new stock on it though, he can't figure out how to get the last little wooden bit off of the gas tube so he can replace it with the plastic piece with a rail on top.
http://www.powercustom.com/SKS/installFiberforce.htm
STEP #7 Inspection of Gas Tube Assembly will reveal a small rivet running crosswise through the rear handguard sheet metal cover. Rivet may be difficult to see. Rivet has two ends, the head and the shaft. Be sure to punch out from shaft end. Remove this rivet by using a 1/16" punch or the "punch" provided in your cleaning kit. Eye protection is a must!
https://www.powercustom.com/SKS/images/step7sksrivet.jpg
Sometimes they can be really stubborn and you have to cut or drill to get it removed.



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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6722|US
Interesting grips on the upper right one.
rdx-fx
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+955|6599

Monkey Spanker wrote:

They can come round but rarely do, when they do they usually make an appointment WoMan, It's no stress, we have a lot more relaxed attitude toward the police checking on our weapons than it seems in the US. We are a lot quieter about these things, we use guns as tools not really recreational objects.
Technically, it's supposedly a similar process for suppressor owners in the US.
Subject to inspection, must have safe, must have paperwork in order, etc.

If the country were sane, we'd have the $200 tax stamp & 6 month wait for semi-auto centerfire rifles, and be able to freely buy suppressors at the sporting goods store. Alas, it's apparently part of the US culture to view wanting to be quiet as a sign of malicious intent.

It's a national imperative that we must be loud, dontchaknow - it's in the bible, or the constitution, or the McDonalds menu, or something

"You.. you want your gun to be quieter?! You some sort of deviant, or criminal?!"

I wear noise cancelling ear protection when shooting.
Silencer would extend that courtesy to my neighbors, where my earphones protect just me.

Actually, with the muzzle brake on one of my rifles, you really need regular earplugs and the headset.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2012-07-15 06:23:02)

Monkey Spanker
Show it to the nice monkey.
+284|6259|England

rdx-fx wrote:

Monkey Spanker wrote:

They can come round but rarely do, when they do they usually make an appointment WoMan, It's no stress, we have a lot more relaxed attitude toward the police checking on our weapons than it seems in the US. We are a lot quieter about these things, we use guns as tools not really recreational objects.
Technically, it's supposedly a similar process for suppressor owners in the US.
Subject to inspection, must have safe, must have paperwork in order, etc.

If the country were sane, we'd have the $200 tax stamp & 6 month wait for semi-auto centerfire rifles, and be able to freely buy suppressors at the sporting goods store. Alas, it's apparently part of the US culture to view wanting to be quiet as a sign of malicious intent.

It's a national imperative that we must be loud, dontchaknow - it's in the bible, or the constitution, or the McDonalds menu, or something

"You.. you want your gun to be quieter?! You some sort of deviant, or criminal?!"

I wear noise cancelling ear protection when shooting.
Silencer would extend that courtesy to my neighbors, where my earphones protect just me.

Actually, with the muzzle brake on one of my rifles, you really need regular earplugs and the headset.
I find it quite sad really about the cost of the stamp for suppressors (moderators in the UK) in the US. I also don't understand the reasoning behind it as you said.
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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6722|US
It's all those commie spies and assassins that use 'em, don't you know!
...or at least that's what Congress thought in 1934.
(Back when $200 was more like $3300 today...it's not a ban, just a tax!)

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2012-07-16 23:55:39)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6113|eXtreme to the maX

Monkey Spanker wrote:

I find it quite sad really about the cost of the stamp for suppressors (moderators in the UK) in the US. I also don't understand the reasoning behind it as you said.
A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
rdx-fx
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+955|6599

Dilbert_X wrote:

A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
So does a nice pair of boobs. Don't see anyone outlawing those!

Same for a getaway car, but cars aren't illegal.

Same for ski masks, but they aren't illegal

edit: but discussion is for the other thread...

Last edited by rdx-fx (2012-07-17 04:47:35)

Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|4850|Amsterdam

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
So does a nice pair of boobs. Don't see anyone outlawing those!

Same for a getaway car, but cars aren't illegal.

Same for ski masks, but they aren't illegal

edit: but discussion is for the other thread...
Well, we might as well legalise everything then, because everything can be used to harm others if paired with the malicious intent of its user.
It's the same as with what you can and can't bring on an airplane. You have to draw a line somewhere and silencers would seem like a good place to do so. Name one use for them that doesn't involve harming other people.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6006|Vortex Ring State

Kampframmer wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
So does a nice pair of boobs. Don't see anyone outlawing those!

Same for a getaway car, but cars aren't illegal.

Same for ski masks, but they aren't illegal

edit: but discussion is for the other thread...
Well, we might as well legalise everything then, because everything can be used to harm others if paired with the malicious intent of its user.
It's the same as with what you can and can't bring on an airplane. You have to draw a line somewhere and silencers would seem like a good place to do so. Name one use for them that doesn't involve harming other people.
well like said earlier, they're used for recreational shooting, other shooting without producing loud noises of gunfire.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6113|eXtreme to the maX

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
So does a nice pair of boobs. Don't see anyone outlawing those!

Same for a getaway car, but cars aren't illegal.

Same for ski masks, but they aren't illegal

edit: but discussion is for the other thread...
Go convince your govt.

Silencers for firearms are clearly more useful for committing murder than a car.
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ROGUEDD
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13rin wrote:


Here's mine.  Posted some 160 pages ago.
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Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!
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Secret organization of assassins plotting to bring down the government.
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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6722|US

Kampframmer wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

A silencer makes it much easier to commit crimes and get away with it.
So does a nice pair of boobs. Don't see anyone outlawing those!

Same for a getaway car, but cars aren't illegal.

Same for ski masks, but they aren't illegal

edit: but discussion is for the other thread...
Name one use for them that doesn't involve harming other people.
Not giving yourself long-term hearing damage.
Not pissing off the neighbors.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2012-07-17 12:40:51)

Monkey Spanker
Show it to the nice monkey.
+284|6259|England
How much does it cost you for your stamp on a suppressor in your state  Raimus?
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rdx-fx
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+955|6599

Kampframmer wrote:

Name one use for them that doesn't involve harming other people.

RAIMIUS wrote:

Not giving yourself long-term hearing damage.
Not pissing off the neighbors.
Easier to hear commands from range safety

Easier to communicate & coordinate with spotters, other shooters near you

Better situational awareness with lighter earplugs in

Better marksmanship (people develop flinches and poor trigger control, more from the blast and noise and less from the actual recoil "kick")

More pleasant shooting experience, with less noise and blast

When shooting predators & varmints, a suppressed weapon tends to cause the pack of animals to move towards the suppressed weapon
(They hear the crack of the bullet nearby, but not the boom of the weapon)

You can hear hits on steel targets at range (furthest target I've heard "ring" from a hit is 1200 yards)

Personally, I think an overly loud firearm is more a tool of posturing and intimidation, and thus more useful in a criminal context.
Nothing like a burst from an assault rifle to let a group of people know "we're in charge now, do as we say!"
(Think of any Hollywood bank robbery movie - generally a bunch of loud shouting, and bursts of weapons fire to take command of the victims)

To put it another way, how many people have been robbed by someone wielding a bow and arrow (in the last 200 years)?
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6722|US

Monkey Spanker wrote:

How much does it cost you for your stamp on a suppressor in your state  Raimus?
$200 and a couple months of waiting.  The process is a federal thing, although some states ban them completely.
I would own one, except that my job requires me to move rather frequently, and I don't want to deal with the paperwork (notifying the ATF when I cross state lines with them) and states that ban them (forcing me to leave it in secure storage somewhere else or sell it).
rdx-fx
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+955|6599

RAIMIUS wrote:

$200 and a couple months of waiting.  The process is a federal thing, although some states ban them completely.
I would own one, except that my job requires me to move rather frequently, and I don't want to deal with the paperwork (notifying the ATF when I cross state lines with them) and states that ban them (forcing me to leave it in secure storage somewhere else or sell it).
Supposedly, you can put the suppressor on Trust paperwork, and anyone that is a member of the Trust is able to possess the suppressor.

Have never done it myself, so I am a touch foggy on the details.
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6396
That is correct
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Monkey Spanker
Show it to the nice monkey.
+284|6259|England

RAIMIUS wrote:

Monkey Spanker wrote:

How much does it cost you for your stamp on a suppressor in your state  Raimus?
$200 and a couple months of waiting.  The process is a federal thing, although some states ban them completely.
I would own one, except that my job requires me to move rather frequently, and I don't want to deal with the paperwork (notifying the ATF when I cross state lines with them) and states that ban them (forcing me to leave it in secure storage somewhere else or sell it).
Christ that's ridiculous here in the UK it's £26 for the moderator(suppressor) license, if you already hold a Firearms Certificate the paperwork will take 28 days max then off you go & buy one, simple really. All handled by the local police.

Last edited by Monkey Spanker (2012-07-17 15:41:16)

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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6396
It is stupid. You have to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration (approval) process for each NFA (National Firearm Act) item that requires registration:
- Silencers/suppressors
- Short barrel rifles (SBR): barrels shorter than 16 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Short barrel shotguns (SBS): barrels shorter than 18 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Machine guns (which must have been registered before the 1986 cut off, can't own anything newer)
- Destructive Devices: grenades, explosive missiles, bombs, etc.
- Any Other Weapons (AOW): pen guns, cane guns, etc.

If you have a registered item and decide to sell it, the buyer will need to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration process. You cannot transfer the item to the buyer until they have the stamped form in hand. If the item is stolen or destroyed you have to pay the tax and go through the registration process for the replacement item.

The approval wait time can vary, but I believe it's currently between 4 and 6 months for most people/states. Federal examiners are issued by state, so states with a lot of people applying have a longer wait time. Also some examiners are slower and/or more picky than others.

While all that sucks, the rest of gun purchasing and ownership is great for most of the country. Here in Arizona for example you don't need a permit to buy, carry openly, or carry concealed. None of your guns, except the NFA items above, have to be registered. There is no waiting period, unless there is a issue with the background check. If you have a Concealed Weapon Permit you don't have to do the background check when purchasing firearms, which speeds up the purchase and eliminates the chance for delay.

So I could go to the store right now, pick something out, complete the "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record", show my CCW or have them call in for a background check, pay for the item, and walk out the door with my new gun. The whole process can take less than 10 minutes. Or I could find someone wanting to sell their firearm and buy it from them, no paperwork or dealers required. The "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record" doesn't get sent to the feds, but the dealer is required to keep it for 20-years. When the dealer calls in the background check they don't give the firearm make, model, or serial number.

No permits, forms, or paperwork is required to buy ammo or reloading components.

I'd like the NFA tax and registration process eliminated, but I don't see that happening any time soon. It would be nice if at least it was a one time approval and you could own as many items as you want under the one approval.
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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6396

Monkey Spanker wrote:

Christ that's ridiculous here in the UK it's £26 for the moderator(suppressor) license, if you already hold a Firearms Certificate the paperwork will take 28 days max then off you go & buy one, simple really. All handled by the local police.
So do the police issue a form that you give to the dealer when you purchase the silencer?

Here you have to find the item you want, before you can even do the paperwork. The paperwork has to include the make, model, serial number, and description. So basically you have to find the item, pay for it, send the paperwork to the feds, then wait many months for their approval. Once you receive the approval (stamped form) you can go to the dealer and get your item.
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Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,053|6630|Little Bentcock

west-phoenix-az wrote:

It is stupid. You have to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration (approval) process for each NFA (National Firearm Act) item that requires registration:
- Silencers/suppressors
- Short barrel rifles (SBR): barrels shorter than 16 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Short barrel shotguns (SBS): barrels shorter than 18 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Machine guns (which must have been registered before the 1986 cut off, can't own anything newer)
- Destructive Devices: grenades, explosive missiles, bombs, etc.
- Any Other Weapons (AOW): pen guns, cane guns, etc.

If you have a registered item and decide to sell it, the buyer will need to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration process. You cannot transfer the item to the buyer until they have the stamped form in hand. If the item is stolen or destroyed you have to pay the tax and go through the registration process for the replacement item.

The approval wait time can vary, but I believe it's currently between 4 and 6 months for most people/states. Federal examiners are issued by state, so states with a lot of people applying have a longer wait time. Also some examiners are slower and/or more picky than others.

While all that sucks, the rest of gun purchasing and ownership is great for most of the country. Here in Arizona for example you don't need a permit to buy, carry openly, or carry concealed. None of your guns, except the NFA items above, have to be registered. There is no waiting period, unless there is a issue with the background check. If you have a Concealed Weapon Permit you don't have to do the background check when purchasing firearms, which speeds up the purchase and eliminates the chance for delay.

So I could go to the store right now, pick something out, complete the "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record", show my CCW or have them call in for a background check, pay for the item, and walk out the door with my new gun. The whole process can take less than 10 minutes. Or I could find someone wanting to sell their firearm and buy it from them, no paperwork or dealers required. The "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record" doesn't get sent to the feds, but the dealer is required to keep it for 20-years. When the dealer calls in the background check they don't give the firearm make, model, or serial number.

No permits, forms, or paperwork is required to buy ammo or reloading components.

I'd like the NFA tax and registration process eliminated, but I don't see that happening any time soon. It would be nice if at least it was a one time approval and you could own as many items as you want under the one approval.
That is so ass backwards..
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,053|6630|Little Bentcock

west-phoenix-az wrote:

It is stupid. You have to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration (approval) process for each NFA (National Firearm Act) item that requires registration:
- Silencers/suppressors
- Short barrel rifles (SBR): barrels shorter than 16 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Short barrel shotguns (SBS): barrels shorter than 18 inches or overall length shorter than 26 inches
- Machine guns (which must have been registered before the 1986 cut off, can't own anything newer)
- Destructive Devices: grenades, explosive missiles, bombs, etc.
- Any Other Weapons (AOW): pen guns, cane guns, etc.

If you have a registered item and decide to sell it, the buyer will need to pay the $200 tax and go through the registration process. You cannot transfer the item to the buyer until they have the stamped form in hand. If the item is stolen or destroyed you have to pay the tax and go through the registration process for the replacement item.

The approval wait time can vary, but I believe it's currently between 4 and 6 months for most people/states. Federal examiners are issued by state, so states with a lot of people applying have a longer wait time. Also some examiners are slower and/or more picky than others.

While all that sucks, the rest of gun purchasing and ownership is great for most of the country. Here in Arizona for example you don't need a permit to buy, carry openly, or carry concealed. None of your guns, except the NFA items above, have to be registered. There is no waiting period, unless there is a issue with the background check. If you have a Concealed Weapon Permit you don't have to do the background check when purchasing firearms, which speeds up the purchase and eliminates the chance for delay.

So I could go to the store right now, pick something out, complete the "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record", show my CCW or have them call in for a background check, pay for the item, and walk out the door with my new gun. The whole process can take less than 10 minutes. Or I could find someone wanting to sell their firearm and buy it from them, no paperwork or dealers required. The "Over-the-counter firearm transaction record" doesn't get sent to the feds, but the dealer is required to keep it for 20-years. When the dealer calls in the background check they don't give the firearm make, model, or serial number.

No permits, forms, or paperwork is required to buy ammo or reloading components.

I'd like the NFA tax and registration process eliminated, but I don't see that happening any time soon. It would be nice if at least it was a one time approval and you could own as many items as you want under the one approval.
That is so ass backwards..
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I wouldn't mind a .410, so I'm thinking about grabbing this. Thoughts, anyone?

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PUBLIC DEFENDER POLYMER .410 GA. 2.5" / .45 LC REVOLVER

I know right off it's going to have a bit of a kick because of its low weight, but that's never bothered me before.

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