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CBS 5 Report Inspires New Legislation To Ban ‘Bullet Button’
May 20, 2012 10:00 PM

SACRAMENTO (CBS 5) – The debate over California’s strict gun control laws is about to heat up in Sacramento and it’s all because of what we reported a few weeks ago.

“When I saw the news I was absolutely horrified,” said State Senator Leland Yee, referring to a CBS5 report about the so-called bullet button.

It’s a modification that enables the magazine of a semi-automatic rifle to be removed quickly, with the tip of a bullet. Removable magazines in combination with other features like a pistol grip and telescoping stock are banned under California law. But the bullet button is legal because it doesn’t work with your finger, so the magazine is considered “fixed.”

The modification has allowed military style rifles like the AR-15 to proliferate in the state, something Senator Yee said has got to stop.

“It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion,” said Yee.

That’s why the Senator is introducing a bill to ban the bullet button.

“What I am proposing is to essentially prevent any mechanism that would allow the conversion of an assault weapon into a way that you can fire these magazines upon magazines without effort,” he said.

The senator’s bill is already in the cross-hairs of the Calguns Foundation, the state’s leading gun rights group.

“I am not sure the Legislature has an appetite to bite off something so large,” said Calguns President Gene Hoffman, the creator of the bullet button. “The real reason I designed it was because the original kind of ways to create AR-15s that were California legal were actually quite dangerous on the range.”

He said if a magazine is fixed, which is how California law requires it to be, bullets can jam.

“So the nice thing about the bullet button is that it allows you to remove the magazine and clear the jam,” he said, arguing that it essentially makes them easier to handle.  “They they are lightweight, easy to shoot for women. It’s more accurate.”

Since AR-15s have become the most popular selling firearm in America, he argues they’re now protected under the constitution.

“The reason the second amendment was put into the Bill of Rights is because General Gage wanted to take the Bostonians’ firearms. If Leland Yee wants to be General Gage it will be an interesting outcome,” said Hoffman.

Senator Yee said he’s ready for battle.

“It’s never going to be easy, but by the end of the day we are here in Sacramento to protect the general public and I think that is my priority,” said Yee.

Senator Yee plans to introduce his bill on Monday. As we did when we originally reported this story, we asked the State Department of Justice for comment on the issue. Once again they declined.



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rdx-fx
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Silly Californians.

Ban an inanimate piece of hardware for being "evil", but coddle the violent felons with so many prisoner rights and parole opportunities.

So, according to the Californian thought process, the piece of metal & plastic ("assault rifle") is inherently "evil", but the violent felon is a "misunderstood victim".
Methinks they've been watching too many fantasy films, with evil sentient rings and swords.

I really wish they'd focus on enforcing existing Federal laws, rather than this inane focus on passing more State laws.
Existing US Federal law prohibits possession of a firearm (any firearm) by a person with a criminal record of violence, or psychiatric record of instability/insanity.

Sane, law-abiding people aren't going to purposely shoot other people, regardless if they're using a bolt action .22 or a fully automatic M-16.
Insane, psychotic, violent criminals will use anything they can get their hands on, from an improvised prison shank, or whatever they can get their hands on, regardless of laws.

Look at the military reserves in Switzerland, or Israel, where most households have (had?) a military issue automatic assault rifle in their home.
Now look at their rate of violent crime.
UnkleRukus
That Guy
+236|5189|Massachusetts, USA
We have strict laws in MA too. Still major gun trafficking going in Springfield and Holyoke. Lots in Boston. All illegal guns, rarely any crimes that involve a registered firearm. The problem is extraordinarily strict laws against law abiding citizens.
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Dilbert_X
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So don't live in California.

Its win-win.
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rdx-fx
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So don't live in California.

Its win-win.
True.

Problem is that our D.C. Democrats believe the mantra "As goes California, so goes the Country".
So they use California (and Neu Yawk) as their personal political petri dish, to see how much bullshit they can foist on the country.
UnkleRukus
That Guy
+236|5189|Massachusetts, USA

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So don't live in California.

Its win-win.
True.

Problem is that our D.C. Democrats believe the mantra "As goes California, so goes the Country".
So they use California (and Neu Yawk) as their personal political petri dish, to see how much bullshit they can foist on the country.
People eat that shit up here in MA. It's legal to open carry up here, but no one ever does. The sole reason being they would get cops called on them the minute they walk outside their door by these over protective, hippie, self-righteous, armchair activist, Prius driving dregs of society.
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6869

rdx-fx wrote:

Silly Californians.

Ban an inanimate piece of hardware for being "evil", but coddle the violent felons with so many prisoner rights and parole opportunities.

So, according to the Californian thought process, the piece of metal & plastic ("assault rifle") is inherently "evil", but the violent felon is a "misunderstood victim".
Methinks they've been watching too many fantasy films, with evil sentient rings and swords.

I really wish they'd focus on enforcing existing Federal laws, rather than this inane focus on passing more State laws.
Existing US Federal law prohibits possession of a firearm (any firearm) by a person with a criminal record of violence, or psychiatric record of instability/insanity.

Sane, law-abiding people aren't going to purposely shoot other people, regardless if they're using a bolt action .22 or a fully automatic M-16.
Insane, psychotic, violent criminals will use anything they can get their hands on, from an improvised prison shank, or whatever they can get their hands on, regardless of laws.

Look at the military reserves in Switzerland, or Israel, where most households have (had?) a military issue automatic assault rifle in their home.
Now look at their rate of violent crime.
well they have a homogenous society for one and a lower socio-economic gap.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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UnkleRukus wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So don't live in California.

Its win-win.
True.

Problem is that our D.C. Democrats believe the mantra "As goes California, so goes the Country".
So they use California (and Neu Yawk) as their personal political petri dish, to see how much bullshit they can foist on the country.
People eat that shit up here in MA. It's legal to open carry up here, but no one ever does. The sole reason being they would get cops called on them the minute they walk outside their door by these over protective, hippie, self-righteous, armchair activist, Prius driving dregs of society.
if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.  Do you also walk around with a helmet on in case a brick of frozen shit falls out of an airplane?  I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.  But perhaps you need to understand that a lot of people feel unsafe with a dude walking around with a holstered weapon. 

People here get shot by the police for holding hairbrushes, hoses, knife handles, elderly grandparents, etc.  It may work in bumfuck Montana where there is 1 stoplight per town, but open carry just doesn't fly where there are concentrated populations.

RDX: do you like being associated with Obama's (or any other politicians you disagree with) political platforms?  One senator does not equal 'Californians'.  You can clearly notice that in the article by the fact there is a lobby group called "Calguns" aka a group of Californians that fight for gun rights in California.

All Americans are fat
All Californians are pinko hippies
All people who make generalizations should be castrated.

herp derp.

And LOL if you think California is pro-prisoner.

And double LOL if you think there's any significant correlation between individual gun owners and overall violent crime rates.  That's very low on the totem pole of causality.
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5541|Fuck this.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

UnkleRukus wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

True.

Problem is that our D.C. Democrats believe the mantra "As goes California, so goes the Country".
So they use California (and Neu Yawk) as their personal political petri dish, to see how much bullshit they can foist on the country.
People eat that shit up here in MA. It's legal to open carry up here, but no one ever does. The sole reason being they would get cops called on them the minute they walk outside their door by these over protective, hippie, self-righteous, armchair activist, Prius driving dregs of society.
if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.  Do you also walk around with a helmet on in case a brick of frozen shit falls out of an airplane?  I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.  But perhaps you need to understand that a lot of people feel unsafe with a dude walking around with a holstered weapon. 

People here get shot by the police for holding hairbrushes, hoses, knife handles, elderly grandparents, etc.  It may work in bumfuck Montana where there is 1 stoplight per town, but open carry just doesn't fly where there are concentrated populations.

RDX: do you like being associated with Obama's (or any other politicians you disagree with) political platforms?  One senator does not equal 'Californians'.  You can clearly notice that in the article by the fact there is a lobby group called "Calguns" aka a group of Californians that fight for gun rights in California.

All Americans are fat
All Californians are pinko hippies
All people who make generalizations should be castrated.

herp derp.

And LOL if you think California is pro-prisoner.

And double LOL if you think there's any significant correlation between individual gun owners and overall violent crime rates.  That's very low on the totem pole of causality.
I can't see how you're against this:

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her face
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KEN-JENNINGS
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i would let her shoot me in the leg
Reciprocity
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ROGUEDD wrote:

I can't see how you're against this:

with all the money she saved on orthodontics you'd think she could afford something nicer than a ruger sr40.
Hurricane2k9
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i'd let her openly carry my cock in her mouth

I'm thinking of finally buying a gun. Ruger 10/22. I wanna get practice in at the range first before I do so though.

I got to fire an FNC in class the other day (with blanks), it was cool.
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RTHKI
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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ofc not

One of my classmates got to fire a 12-gauge with blanks. Ripped a big hole into a piece of cardboard... don't fuck around with blanks I guess.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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ROGUEDD wrote:

I can't see how you're against this:

Cute, but the average person is not smart or responsible enough to be carrying a gun.

Half the population is of below average intelligence - you want them carrying guns?
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RAIMIUS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

I can't see how you're against this:

Cute, but the average person is not smart or responsible enough to be carrying a gun.

Half the population is of below average intelligence - you want them carrying guns?
While I half agree with you, restricting freedom to the lowest common denominator isn't the way to go.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.
Nowhere did I mention open carry.
My argument was in favor of responsible ownership, and pointing out the insanity of banning specific weapons as "evil".

Where I live, if you see someone with a large caliber rifle, the first assumption is they're going hunting or shooting.
Police here don't "shoot first, ask questions later"

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.
It's not so much about safety here.
We just don't really have home invasions or home robberies here.

I'm 6'2", 200 lbs - I'm more likely to not use a firearm.
My wife is 5'2", 110 lbs - she is the one that is likely to use a firearm if threatened.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

People here get shot by the police for holding hairbrushes, hoses, knife handles, elderly grandparents, etc.
Then your police are grossly overreacting, if they're shooting innocent people.

Yesterday, I took a rifle into the local sporting goods store.
Verified it was unloaded at the front desk, carried it back to the gun section to see how much I could sell it for.
Nobody in the store called the police, nobody thought I was there to rob the place, and the only comments I got were 'nice rifle. what is it?' type questions.

Again, that shows the difference in perceptions between here and there.

A firearm is a tool, a piece of equipment.
A machine gun in the hands of responsible owner is harmless, a .22 pistol in the hands of a felon is a threat.
The person wielding it is the key difference.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

All people who make generalizations should be castrated.
What about people that misread what others have written, and go off on their own rant, having no relation to what they're responding to?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

And LOL if you think California is pro-prisoner.
Very pro-prisoner rights, pro-parole

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

And double LOL if you think there's any significant correlation between individual gun owners and overall violent crime rates.  That's very low on the totem pole of causality.
That was exactly the point I implied


Again, sane, responsible people aren't going to shoot (or threaten) other people, regardless of which firearm they're holding - .22 pistol or .50 BMG machine gun.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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rdx-fx wrote:

Very pro-prisoner rights, pro-parole
For cost reasons, that is all.
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13rin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cute, but the average person is not smart or responsible enough to be carrying a gun.

Half the population is of below average intelligence - you want them carrying guns?
I'd argue that many all ready are.
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ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5541|Fuck this.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.
So you'd feel safer knowing that anyone around you, at any time, could be carrying, and you would never know? (concealed carry)

Do you also walk around with a helmet on in case a brick of frozen shit falls out of an airplane?  I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.  But perhaps you need to understand that a lot of people feel unsafe with a dude walking around with a holstered weapon.
What if I feel unsafe when I see someone walking a large dog. Should we not allow dog walking anymore? I feel unsafe when I know that, if someone pulled a knife on me, neither I, nor anybody around me could do anything but call the police and hope they arrive before someone gets stabby.
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UnkleRukus
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ROGUEDD wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.
So you'd feel safer knowing that anyone around you, at any time, could be carrying, and you would never know? (concealed carry)

Do you also walk around with a helmet on in case a brick of frozen shit falls out of an airplane?  I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.  But perhaps you need to understand that a lot of people feel unsafe with a dude walking around with a holstered weapon.
What if I feel unsafe when I see someone walking a large dog. Should we not allow dog walking anymore? I feel unsafe when I know that, if someone pulled a knife on me, neither I, nor anybody around me could do anything but call the police and hope they arrive before someone gets stabby.
That's how MA law is. Unless you've been threatened personally, you cannot intervene. Even if it's your wife, or kids in your own home.

If some gang banger is robbing the convenience store you're in and shoots the clerk, you can't do anything until the gang banger points his gun at you.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|5541|Fuck this.

UnkleRukus wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.
So you'd feel safer knowing that anyone around you, at any time, could be carrying, and you would never know? (concealed carry)

Do you also walk around with a helmet on in case a brick of frozen shit falls out of an airplane?  I get that sometimes it makes you feel safer - I really do understand that.  But perhaps you need to understand that a lot of people feel unsafe with a dude walking around with a holstered weapon.
What if I feel unsafe when I see someone walking a large dog. Should we not allow dog walking anymore? I feel unsafe when I know that, if someone pulled a knife on me, neither I, nor anybody around me could do anything but call the police and hope they arrive before someone gets stabby.
That's how MA law is. Unless you've been threatened personally, you cannot intervene. Even if it's your wife, or kids in your own home.

If some gang banger is robbing the convenience store you're in and shoots the clerk, you can't do anything until the gang banger points his gun at you.
Which is why I don't live is Mass.
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UnkleRukus
That Guy
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ROGUEDD wrote:

UnkleRukus wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

if I saw a guy with a gun on his hip I'd probably call the police too (and they'd probably shoot him here in OC CA).  You want to walk around with a gun on your hip, join the police force.  It's not needed.
So you'd feel safer knowing that anyone around you, at any time, could be carrying, and you would never know? (concealed carry)


What if I feel unsafe when I see someone walking a large dog. Should we not allow dog walking anymore? I feel unsafe when I know that, if someone pulled a knife on me, neither I, nor anybody around me could do anything but call the police and hope they arrive before someone gets stabby.
That's how MA law is. Unless you've been threatened personally, you cannot intervene. Even if it's your wife, or kids in your own home.

If some gang banger is robbing the convenience store you're in and shoots the clerk, you can't do anything until the gang banger points his gun at you.
Which is why I don't live is Mass.
Damn good reason why I want to move out of MA. Besides the relatively high taxes.
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west-phoenix-az
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It may work in bumfuck Montana where there is 1 stoplight per town, but open carry just doesn't fly where there are concentrated populations.
Open carry works fine here
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