BF2S Forums A Very Special Thread About Religion, by ATG

I consumed the book in like 2 days.
Highly recommended!

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

There is just too much information to process here. I think it would help a lot if i had read the book, but as it stands, im dumbfounded.

This is the little i understand, but am not sure if it's correct:
History is false, the Freemasons know this and they are creating a New World Order...?

The perception is they are creating a New World Order, or have been trying, for 1000 years.

The point is to get what ever people are willing to discuss the foundations of religious beliefs.

The videos were thrown in mostly for entertainment value. I'd suggest reading the wikipedia part, thats the best info.

Last edited by ATG (2006-10-15 23:24:51)

Cmon Ikarti;
Thats exactly the kind of post I was not looking for.

Your a former Catholic, The Hiram Key addresses the first pope and the order of succession. Most people don't know about how it came to be that there was a pope, how he is/was selected and why.
That alone makes buying the book worthwhile.

At least visit the wikipedia link before posting.
A reminder;



Challenge;
I'd like to see a flame free thread were Christians and other people of faith discuss the origins of Christanity, Islam and the Jewish beliefs.

As one of the newer religions it has been subject to more scrutiny than others, often by people looking to prove what they already feel.

A key point in the book, is the political manipulation of the masses using religion as a tool to control them. According to Masonry, Jesus was teaching a rebirth, and refered to his followers as the living, and non believers as the dead ( origins of 'born again' ).  According to this history, the ressurection was a metaphorical thing, not something meant to be taken literally. The remnants of the 12 apostiles and the first pope conspired to make it a literal thing. The right of succession, or who would be the next pope was recognized s the key to power, and the book  goes into detail of these versions of history and how that came to be.


And to head this off at the pass;
Yes I've read the Bible.  I was raised a Mormon and read most of the Doctrine in Covenants and Pearl of Great Price ( or whatever their called ), as well as history books on world religions, anthropology and pre historical medicines, mining and commerce.
I was Mormeon enough to attend the West Jordan Temple dedication and do the baptism for the dead, but, I've always been too analytical for my own good and cannot, as of yet, accept any religion as the one true religion.

I was raised Catholic (to an extent) and went to a private Catholic school, but I was that kid that always asked the "hard" questions of the nuns (many a demerit and detention was enjoyed by myself). Religion is essentially a non-entity for me. I really could care less if there's some higher being out there somewhere. I've never seen him/her/it/them so...whatever.

I'm not going to disparage anyone else's adherence to a particular faith. Go to church/synagogue/temple/mosque/the woods outback or have a massive fucking ten commandments monument on your front lawn. Just don't knock on my door at 8am on sunday trying to convert me.

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

So the first Pope and remaining Apostles created the resurrection as a way to control the masses. If thats the case, i have two questions:
1) What sort of political agenda could they have in 50 AD? Why the need to control the masses?

-money and power

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

2) After following a supposedly religious teacher around for a couple of years, the corruption that the apostles would have to show to gain power by falsifying Jesus's story seems out of character and far fetched. So what could be their possible motivation to exhibit such a change in character?

-money and power

I'm surprized/ impressed you're the one who posted these videos ATG! Not that I go along with them but still, they don't exactly fit your profile.

To the point: I don't know much about Masons (and I doubt anyone can claim he does), never read a book about them, all I know comes from articles like that wikipedia link you posted. What I do know, is that everything about them is cloudy as hell, and my guess is that they want it to be so.

Some time ago I discovered Alex Jones while I was looking for info about 9/11. So I watched some of his documentaries. They seemed great at first, what with citing of red flag incidents etc, but then he would go on to talk about masonry, and the grove and all that...

It sounds to me that these people, whoever they are, are trying to mix religion with politics and history with fiction in an attempt to confuse things even more that they are.

If there is such a plan as New World Order, I suppose there's orthological ways of dealing with it, without getting mixed up in all this mumbo jumbo stuff about symbols and goat-like figures and satan and crap. The latter I guess are only there to discredit those who might attempt to deal with the situation.

BTW, the swastica for example is an ancient Greek symbol, which was later used also by Hinduism and many other civilizations that has nothing to do with fascism, it's a symbol of peace, harmony and balance.

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

So the first Pope and remaining Apostles created the resurrection as a way to control the masses. If thats the case, i have two questions:
1) What sort of political agenda could they have in 50 AD? Why the need to control the masses?
2) After following a supposedly religious teacher around for a couple of years, the corruption that the apostles would have to show to gain power by falsifying Jesus's story seems out of character and far fetched. So what could be their possible motivation to exhibit such a change in character?

If i have interpreted that wrong, my bad.

They didn't create the resurrection, they transformed it from the allegory to the literal.

1)  Tithe and taxation and the right to pick the future popes.

2) It didn't take all twelve, it took one. The motivation was survival and power.

ATG wrote:

My mom escaped a polygamist marriage when I was five.

I am the oldest of my dads 32 kids. Thank God she bailed.

So...sorta X sorta mormon.

You aren't a Barlow are you? 

I lived in Salt Lake for 10 months as a non Mormon and that ranks upon the most hellish experiences I've ever had.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

ATG wrote:

Yes.
3rd to be exact.

Haha, I was just kidding dude.  I know the Barlows are a well known polygamist family, and even dated a Barlow for a few years.

This is just too weird.  I think I hear Twilight Zone music in the background. 

Funny< I usually hear the flying trapeeze circus music in my head.

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ATG wrote:

The perception is they are creating a New World Order, or have been trying, for 1000 years.

The point is to get what ever people are willing to discuss the foundations of religious beliefs.

The videos were thrown in mostly for entertainment value. I'd suggest reading the wikipedia part, thats the best info.

Throughout history, there have been secret societies with powerful government connections.  The Rosicrucians come to mind.  Nowadays, one of the more public but still powerful ones is the Project for the New American Century.

Still, I wouldn't say that I believe the Masons control everything.  A New World Order has been the goal of several organizations, but the only feasible version of it involves the influence of multinational corporations.  There is somewhat of a Oil World Order, for example.  Big Oil's connection to the military industrial complex greatly affects our foreign policy.  It's not as simple as people think though.  It mostly has to do with careful planning, and a slow process of deciding which regimes benefit their interests and which do not.

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-16 16:26:53)