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2006-10-18 16:36:42
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6751|Southeastern USA
damn, your right, it's flat too, huh?

let me see, it's 2006, recorded history began about 4000 or something BC, so that's about 6000 years of written (though perhaps with pictures or symbols instead of letters) evidence that it was around more than 2500 years ago, for one

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-10-18 16:39:08)

2006-10-18 16:54:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6606|North Carolina

kr@cker wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

until you can figure out how to regulate the output of the sun, just ride with it, it'll regulate itself
I do believe the suggestion here is to regulate pollution and consumption rather than cosmic rays.
my point being, just like every time this is brought up, that the sun is currently in a cycle of heightened output, hotter sun= hotter earth
another point i always bring up, during mt pinatubo's big eruption in the 90's, it released more pollutants and greenhouse gases than all of mankind combined since the industrial revolution, can you stop volcanic eruptions mr gore?
a new point that the article itself brought up, kilimanjaro started losing it's ice caps 80 years ago, you telling me a few thousand model T's were worse polluters than the millions of IC engines covering the planet today?

besides, if it's all as bad as we're told, then what the hell was up with the record/early snowfall in buffalo, NY last week?
Kracker, this is about accumulation, not any one point in time.  Yes, it is true that volcanoes can contribute tremendously to the greenhouse effect.  However, so do we.  We can slow the process of global warming by consuming and polluting less.  This will also allow us to better adapt to a rapidly growing human population.

Inevitably, the occasional volcanic eruption will occur and possibly edge things in the wrong direction again, but surely attempting to live more responsibly is a good thing on principle anyway, right?

Think of it like this: if we just aimlessly continue to be negligent in our lifestyles, more damage than normal will be done to the atmosphere and our drinking water.  If we actually try to be responsible, we better our lives and ultimately slow warming trends that negatively affect us.  Isn't this the preferred option?

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2006-10-18 17:02:37
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6751|Southeastern USA
I'm not saying go out and start burning tire piles to stay warm this winter, only that
A) it is a naturally occurring event
B) what we contribute to it is immeasurably small on a cosmic scale
C) it's not as bad as you're led to believe


you can't have a few hot days out of a few million years and go about proclaiming it's irrefutable evidence that the sky is falling

I am a conservationist, I donate to national parks (directly, so as not to politicize my donations through sierra club and the like), i wholly support my area's timber industry as they plant ten trees for every one that they cut down, but i feel that to think that we in a few years out of millions can hold such sway over the course of nature is rather arrogant

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2006-10-18 17:10:15
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6959|Argentina

kr@cker wrote:

I'm not saying go out and start burning tire piles to stay warm this winter, only that
A) it is a naturally occurring event
B) what we contribute to it is immeasurably small on a cosmic scale
C) it's not as bad as you're led to believe


you can't have a few hot days out of a few million years and go about proclaiming it's irrefutable evidence that the sky is falling

I am a conservationist, I donate to national parks (directly, so as not to politicize my donations through sierra club and the like), i wholly support my area's timber industry as they plant ten trees for every one that they cut down, but i feel that to think that we in a few years out of millions can hold such sway over the course of nature is rather arrogant
From National Geographic Society:

Global Warming Fast Facts

By 2050 Warming to Doom Million Species, Study Says

Warming to Cause Catastrophic Rise in Sea Level?

Arctic Melting Fast; May Swamp U.S. Coasts by 2099

Climate Change Upped Earth's Vegetation, Study Finds

High-Climbing Ice Expert Gets to Core of Climate Change

Greenland Melt May Swamp LA, Other Cities, Study Says
2006-10-18 17:12:35
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6606|North Carolina

kr@cker wrote:

I'm not saying go out and start burning tire piles to stay warm this winter, only that
A) it is a naturally occurring event
B) what we contribute to it is immeasurably small on a cosmic scale
C) it's not as bad as you're led to believe


you can't have a few hot days out of a few million years and go about proclaiming it's irrefutable evidence that the sky is falling

I am a conservationist, I donate to national parks (directly, so as not to politicize my donations through sierra club and the like), i wholly support my area's timber industry as they plant ten trees for every one that they cut down, but i feel that to think that we in a few years out of millions can hold such sway over the course of nature is rather arrogant
I'm glad you're a conservationist.  I wish more people were.  I donate to my local wildlife reserves, although I don't have that much dough.

Whatever the case, the only thing that makes me feel as strongly about this as I do is the fact that almost no "scientific sources" painted global warming in a skeptical light until about 15 years ago.  That was about the same time that the oil industry suddenly became very interested in funding research.  I think that's more than a coincidence.
2006-10-19 17:28:04
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6959|Argentina
Hey, kr@cker, you were talking about volcanos, read this article.
2006-10-19 17:58:48
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6647|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

Hey, kr@cker, you were talking about volcanos, read this article.
This thread is still going?   2142 is out, you guys need to play it. 

Yeah, good find.  Excerpt: Thanks to the microbes, a significant portion of the methane belched from deep below the seafloor by the Haakon Mosby Mud Volcano, for example, never reaches the ocean.  That's good news for many-celled landlubbers worried about global warming. Atmospheric methane is nearly 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide when it comes to trapping heat from the sun.
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So fortunately that type of volcano is not dangerous.  Read this instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano

The Earth is destroying itself!  It must be stopped!  It's belching carbon dioxide (CO2), sulfur dioxide (SO2), hydrogen chloride (HCl), hydrogen fluoride (HF) and ash (pulverized rock and pumice) into the stratosphere!  It's also releasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide which is a deep source of carbon for biogeochemical cycles!  *gasp*  What is the Earth thinking?  Stop contributing to global warming!
2006-10-20 09:35:16
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6959|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Hey, kr@cker, you were talking about volcanos, read this article.
This thread is still going?   2142 is out, you guys need to play it. 

Yeah, good find.  Excerpt: Thanks to the microbes, a significant portion of the methane belched from deep below the seafloor by the Haakon Mosby Mud Volcano, for example, never reaches the ocean.  That's good news for many-celled landlubbers worried about global warming. Atmospheric methane is nearly 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide when it comes to trapping heat from the sun.
-----------
So fortunately that type of volcano is not dangerous.  Read this instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano

The Earth is destroying itself!  It must be stopped!  It's belching carbon dioxide (CO2), sulfur dioxide (SO2), hydrogen chloride (HCl), hydrogen fluoride (HF) and ash (pulverized rock and pumice) into the stratosphere!  It's also releasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide which is a deep source of carbon for biogeochemical cycles!  *gasp*  What is the Earth thinking?  Stop contributing to global warming!
The volcanos are changing the weather?  They do very little compared to humans activities.
Read this.
2006-10-20 10:17:42
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6934|Cambridge, England
there is a 14 page thread about global warming use the search button

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=31479&p=14

The volcanos are changing the weather?  They do very little compared to humans activities.
this is also complete rubbish again check the global warming thread...shows the global carbon emissions, we contribute 3% of 3% of all emissions per year....(approx 0.112%)

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-10-20 10:36:34)

2006-10-20 11:29:10
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6783|SE London

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

there is a 14 page thread about global warming use the search button

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=31479&p=14

The volcanos are changing the weather?  They do very little compared to humans activities.
this is also complete rubbish again check the global warming thread...shows the global carbon emissions, we contribute 3% of 3% of all emissions per year....(approx 0.112%)
That's not rubbish. Volcanoes contribute less than 1%, excluding water vapour, towards greenhouse gases. In fact overall volcanic eruptions contribute significantly towards global cooling. More eruptions would be great. I have listed some sources for this in earlier posts.
2006-10-21 13:30:08
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6934|Cambridge, England
As many people have said it is not ethical to fight global warming with pollution (sulphate particles) I dont believe we should be combating global warming at all....

Researchers have spotted a rare family group of Risso's dolphins off Bardsey Island at the tip of the Lleyn peninsula.

The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society said it was the first time such a group had been seen in the area......

He said the information could be used to develop conservation plans. "This is the first time we have see so many young calves in the same pod, which is incredibly exciting and emphasises the need for ongoing research," he added.
When grass is still cut in October
By Fiona Murray
BBC News Website

Flowers still blooming, tomatoes still ripening in greenhouses, flies still buzzing
This autumn the UK has had a bumper crop of horse chestnuts, perfect for playing conkers.
2 Oct 2006
The hot weather has helped growing conditions for fruit, with supermarkets reporting high demand.
Apples will not be picked for about another month, but farmers say that judging by the berry crop so far it looks like being a record fruit harvest.

Adrian Tatum of Grower magazine said the hot weather means "excellent" production for fruit such as strawberries.

"Demand is higher this year at consumer level, the retailer is demanding more British strawberries, so the hot weather helps in that production flow to meet demand," he said.
BBC News business correspondent Hugh Pym said a hotter climate in the UK could encourage the growing of less traditional fruit, such as apricots, in the future.
were just found in a five minute search

bviously i found a few negatives. These were to do with there being less silage for winter farm animals.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-10-21 13:31:51)

2006-10-21 14:18:11
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6959|Argentina

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

As many people have said it is not ethical to fight global warming with pollution (sulphate particles) I dont believe we should be combating global warming at all....

Researchers have spotted a rare family group of Risso's dolphins off Bardsey Island at the tip of the Lleyn peninsula.

The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society said it was the first time such a group had been seen in the area......

He said the information could be used to develop conservation plans. "This is the first time we have see so many young calves in the same pod, which is incredibly exciting and emphasises the need for ongoing research," he added.
When grass is still cut in October
By Fiona Murray
BBC News Website

Flowers still blooming, tomatoes still ripening in greenhouses, flies still buzzing
This autumn the UK has had a bumper crop of horse chestnuts, perfect for playing conkers.
2 Oct 2006
The hot weather has helped growing conditions for fruit, with supermarkets reporting high demand.
Apples will not be picked for about another month, but farmers say that judging by the berry crop so far it looks like being a record fruit harvest.

Adrian Tatum of Grower magazine said the hot weather means "excellent" production for fruit such as strawberries.

"Demand is higher this year at consumer level, the retailer is demanding more British strawberries, so the hot weather helps in that production flow to meet demand," he said.
BBC News business correspondent Hugh Pym said a hotter climate in the UK could encourage the growing of less traditional fruit, such as apricots, in the future.
were just found in a five minute search

bviously i found a few negatives. These were to do with there being less silage for winter farm animals.
When the ice covers your entrance tell me.

 

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