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2006-10-14 04:56:48
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7018

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
2006-10-14 05:10:13
Vub
The Power of Two
+188|6750|Sydney, Australia
Have you read the book Brave New World? It presents to us such a world controlled by one government. I guess it's possible, like a global village. Although for it to happen, some things need to be considered:

1. There are many diverse cultures in our world, integrating them all would be like making all the kinds of drinks into muddy water. There would be no more cultural identity, and that would make our world less interesting. It would also detract from the economies of those nations relying on culturally minded tourists.

2. As we already know, not everyone is at peace with everyone else. There will always be people who will fight to keep their religion and customs. This could lead to world instability.

3. Diversity makes the world more interesting. People will find it hard to give that up, even though it may be the best choice for them. Knowing a common language would however help with global communications, reduce misunderstandings between groups and make the global economy easier to run and maintain.

4. Single currency is great for world trade and travel, and this global tender will increase stability in world financial markets, however exchange rates play a vital role in many economies, affecting the balance of payments, export competitiveness, interest rates and investor speculation. Removing the different currencies may reduce incentive for nations to engage in efficient production in order to improve their GDP and hence strengthen their currency (this may or may not be a good thing though).

5. Selection of global leaders will prove difficult, and political correctness to include people of all races will make it an unbelieveably slow process.

6. Each country has different factor endowements and welfare. Making a global society may lead to mass migration into richer areas, leading to severe brain drain and unemployment, and increase the income inequality in society.

7. States have never been willing to give up sovereignty, and without enough incentive they will not join. This may lead to a formation of one superpower and small outliers, causing political and military unrest.
2006-10-14 17:27:39
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6660|North Carolina

Coolbeano wrote:

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
In a way, this would be great for communication and commerce, but you also have to worry about the big government implications that come with it.  I think the sovereignty of countries is a good thing, and I'm usually against the idea of global government (aside from the WTO and the UN -- when it actually accomplishes something).

It would seem that the larger the population is under a single government, the worse off it is.  Government generally respects the interests of the individual more when a small group of culturally similar people are under one government.  The problems the American government is currently facing are reflective of what a global government would be like, since our diversity is both our greatest strength and greatest weakness.

Overall, I prefer the current state of affairs over global society or global government.  Granted, the EU seems to have a bright future....

BTW, great post, Vub.  I agree totally...

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-14 17:28:14)

2006-10-14 17:35:56
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6843|Allentown, PA, USA
Great post Vub, the world just doesnt work that way, competition is what keeps us advancing. As much as anyone wants to not belive it(me included) war time is one of the greatest for advancement(WWII is a great example).
2006-10-14 17:40:43
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6660|North Carolina

Capt. Foley wrote:

Great post Vub, the world just doesnt work that way, competition is what keeps us advancing. As much as anyone wants to not belive it(me included) war time is one of the greatest for advancement(WWII is a great example).
Uh...  I would hope that you wouldn't support war solely for technological advancement.  There are certainly more affordable and safer ways to advance.

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-14 17:41:04)

2006-10-14 18:32:23
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6930|Canberra, AUS
I would prefer the whole world to be an EU/NATO type thing. Lots of different countries but basically one army and one economy. It certainly works for Europe - they are still the most powerful trading bloc in the world.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-10-14 18:37:49
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6660|North Carolina

Spark wrote:

I would prefer the whole world to be an EU/NATO type thing. Lots of different countries but basically one army and one economy. It certainly works for Europe - they are still the most powerful trading bloc in the world.
It works for Europe because they have effectively established several cultural values.  Despite all the differences between their countries, they seem to share certain cultural understandings that are distinctly different from the rest of the world.

Similarly, East Asia could probably do something similar in about a century from now.  However, I don't think we'll ever see a time when say...  East Asia and Europe could feasibly unify.  The world's cultural and economic differences prevent world government from really being a viable option, but honestly, that's probably a good thing.

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-14 18:38:39)

2006-10-14 18:43:59
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina
Absolute Utopia.  Yugoslavia, USSR, Czechoslovakia, and next Iraq are proof that people don't want to live together under the same roof.
2006-10-14 18:56:47
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6906|USA

Coolbeano wrote:

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
no thanks, I have no interst in adopting EU life style, I like my women shaved and showered. They might wanna try another American staple........deoderant.
2006-10-14 18:58:57
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

lowing wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
I like my women shaved and showered.
You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
2006-10-14 19:01:25
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6906|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
I like my women shaved and showered.
You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
That would include my wife, and all the daily eye candy we enjoy on a daily basis.
2006-10-14 19:02:07
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


I like my women shaved and showered.
You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
That would include my wife, and all the daily eye candy we enjoy on a daily basis.
You dog...
2006-10-14 19:05:57
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6906|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
That would include my wife, and all the daily eye candy we enjoy on a daily basis.
You dog...
deep down, aren't we all? lol
2006-10-15 08:03:42
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6843|Allentown, PA, USA

Turquoise wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

Great post Vub, the world just doesnt work that way, competition is what keeps us advancing. As much as anyone wants to not belive it(me included) war time is one of the greatest for advancement(WWII is a great example).
Uh...  I would hope that you wouldn't support war solely for technological advancement.  There are certainly more affordable and safer ways to advance.
Did I say that in my post? No, war is bad, war is a last resort when other things can not solve the problem. Watching a person die is never good, I have seen it happen, I saw someone get shot and die before. But when the entire world rallies behind one cause then there usualy is a boom in advancement.
2006-10-15 08:05:32
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6843|Allentown, PA, USA

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


That would include my wife, and all the daily eye candy we enjoy on a daily basis.
You dog...
deep down, aren't we all? lol
What is that thing that is gonna have Mexico, Canada, and the USA all together in a society kinda like the EU? NASJA or something?
2006-10-15 19:08:53
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6906|USA

Capt. Foley wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


You dog...
deep down, aren't we all? lol
What is that thing that is gonna have Mexico, Canada, and the USA all together in a society kinda like the EU? NASJA or something?
I have no idea what you are talkin' about.
2006-10-15 20:03:42
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6700|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Possible?

It worked in smaller scenarios, such as Germany and Italy, but really only due to nationalist and culturally indentical ideals... then they both went on to become the Axis Powers of World War I but that's not the point.

It seems to be working for the European Community and the EU. But that is still for quite similar cultures.

Is it possible to integrate a single language, single currency, etc?


Discuss.
I like my women shaved and showered.
You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
Muslim?  I thought that was the Mormons.  They all start to blend together after awhile.  Multiple wives, 70 virgins . . .
2006-10-16 06:00:45
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6782|Portland, OR USA
I think in a certain respect we are already in a global society, just not a unified government.  It is folley to think that the decisions of one nation do not have a ripple effect, or that we do not rely on each other in some manner or another.  In my opinion, this IS a society.  I do not think such a thing as a unified government is possible at this point given the diversity of regional interests and the diametric opposition among so many elements on the globe even in neighboring nations, let alone on opposite sides of the planet.  I do not think such a system could be maintained through any means other than overwhelming force, which is not a system I would be a proponent of myself.
2006-10-16 06:15:31
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


I like my women shaved and showered.
You have more than one?  Very Muslim.
Muslim?  I thought that was the Mormons.  They all start to blend together after awhile.  Multiple wives, 70 virgins . . .
I can't handle only one.
2006-10-16 06:23:09
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6971

lowing wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

lowing wrote:


deep down, aren't we all? lol
What is that thing that is gonna have Mexico, Canada, and the USA all together in a society kinda like the EU? NASJA or something?
I have no idea what you are talkin' about.
North American Security Joint Agreement. What they had in GRAW where Canada, USA and Mexico becomes one unified military.
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2006-10-16 06:27:46
BVC
Member
+325|6951
I think its possible, but the biggest hurdles will be integrating different spheres...east, west, middle-east.

Within the west, for example, theres the EU for trade...and english is becoming more commonplace, and less the domain of the "traditional" english-speaking countries (UK/Ireland/Australia/New Zealand/Canada/USA/etc)...actually I think the biggest barrier to a global society will be warring "blocs" with race/wealth being the primary common factor.
2006-10-16 06:36:45
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7027|PNW

Faceless automatons, waiting to die.
2006-10-16 06:56:41
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6810
Humans are fairly tribal like it or not. Whether it be your language, colour, race, creed or nationality, many of us wear these unique traits as badges of honour and identity. It will be many many hundreds of years before a true 'global society' comes to pass. There are far too many obstacles in the way at the moment.

Basically, humans prefer to highlight what makes them different from others (including other social groups) rather than trying to highlight their similarities.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-10-16 06:58:41)

2006-10-16 13:07:32
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6843|Allentown, PA, USA

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:


What is that thing that is gonna have Mexico, Canada, and the USA all together in a society kinda like the EU? NASJA or something?
I have no idea what you are talkin' about.
North American Security Joint Agreement. What they had in GRAW where Canada, USA and Mexico becomes one unified military.
Yea I know that was in GRAW but there is also something like that in the real world I think.
2006-10-16 14:49:29
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6906|USA

Capt. Foley wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

lowing wrote:


I have no idea what you are talkin' about.
North American Security Joint Agreement. What they had in GRAW where Canada, USA and Mexico becomes one unified military.
Yea I know that was in GRAW but there is also something like that in the real world I think.
Screw absolutely, unequivocally, without a doubt, 100% of that bullshit

 

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