sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina
At the actual population growth rate, human activities threaten the future of Earth.
In the last century humans had polluted or over-exploited most ecosystems on which life depends.
The major issues that Earth is challenging now are:
-Population increase rate is higher every year: How can limited resources feed all the people?
-Endangered species: can we save them?  Or there will be another massive extinction?
-Water scarcity: as population grows, the use of clean water grows, how do we solve this issue?
-Energy Demand: How can we provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment?
-Pollution: in a planet that's more polluted everyday, how can we get fresh air, food and clean water?
-Global Warming: How do we stop higher temperatures, rising sea levels, and who knows what unpredictable weather issues like another Ice Age?
What can be done to reverse all the above?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6810
Move to the moon.
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6950|Mountains of West Virginia
I think if anyone thinks they have a full answer to that, they would be a bit naive.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6778|...

Create a tin foil hat
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6782|Portland, OR USA
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=36334

Personally, not terribly well over all.  Malthusian Theory is more applicable than it's given credit for.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6899
the mayan calendar ends in 2013 so I dont really have too many plans past that date...
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6773|Montucky

CameronPoe wrote:

Move to the moon.
Well I planned on deporting you there, hypothetically speaking that is..


Poe is right though, we [the world] need to pack up and infest another planet and rape it of its natural resources and such.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6856|132 and Bush

Our time is limited. Hard to accept I know.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

PuckMercury wrote:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=36334

Personally, not terribly well over all.  Malthusian Theory is more applicable than it's given credit for.
I think Malthus Theories on population and the resources scarcity are applicable.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6833|Florida

S3v3N wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Move to the moon.
Well I planned on deporting you there, hypothetically speaking that is..


Poe is right though, we [the world] need to pack up and infest another planet and rape it of its natural resources and such.
Well, as far as we know, the moons only natural resource is white powder, rocks, and ice (which could be turned into water).  To terraform something such as the moon, someone would have to invent a device which would create an atmosphere similar to earth's, that way  the threat of being smashed by colliding meteors wouldnt be that big, not to mention keep in a climate, as well as a gravitational device, that could produce gravity that is comparable to that of earth.  People cannot live for a long time on a place with a fraction of our gravity, muscles would deteriorate, and growing people (young adults and kids) wouldnt develop properly. 

Who knows, maybe the moon is full of oil and/or other resources under its surface and we just down know it.

I think it would be a neat thing to see, but I dont expect it any time soon.
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6782|Portland, OR USA

sergeriver wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=36334

Personally, not terribly well over all.  Malthusian Theory is more applicable than it's given credit for.
I think Malthus Theories on population and the resources scarcity are applicable.
wasn't directed at you but toward people at large.  Clearly if you're posting this, you buy into the theory whether you know it by that theory or not.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6700|The Land of Scott Walker
Yes, we humans are evil and a cancer to mother earth!  We must be stopped!  Down with humans!    Natural resources are here to be used.  Using conservation techniques effectively will replace the resources we use.  The picture isn’t as bleak as you paint it. 

Population?  With all the abortions happening, we won't have to worry about a population explosion.  Less babies, less adults.  And when we start euthanizing elderly folks because we think they're inconvenient, we'll further reduce the population.  For those left, improving technology will bring more efficient ways to grow food sources.  As long as there is still McDonald and Burger King there’s no reason to worry there’s not enough food.  Those places will disappear if there is a food crisis. 

Endangered species?  Yes, we'll save them, for the time being.  We have a habit of saving them and then overprotecting them.  Then overpopulation kills them off because of disease. 

Water scarcity?  The population will not outgrow our water supply. The quantity of water on Earth is static - 326 million cubic miles. One cubic mile contains 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) gallons of water.  About 70 percent of Earths surface is covered by water.  Ninety-seven percent of Earth's water is in oceans. The remaining three percent is freshwater. http://www.dcr.state.va.us/sw/amznstuf.htm  3% of 326 comes to 9.78.  So by those calculations, we have almost 10 trillion gallons of fresh water on earth.  I’m not too worried we’re going to run out.  The earth’s natural water cycle keeps us supplied.  Another interesting fact from the site above: Eighty-five percent of the water in the atmosphere (water vapor) evaporates from our oceans. Plant transpiration also adds water to the air. Most trees give off about 70 gallons of water a day. One acre of corn gives off 4,000 gallons per day. 

Energy demand?  Yes, we can provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment.  Work is being done to develop renewable energy sources, though right now the cost is too prohibitive to use them in a widespread manner.  In the mean time, nuclear power is working just fine.  If the EPA would let us build more nuclear plants, this wouldn’t even be a consideration.

Pollution?  The earth is more resilient than most people believe.  One volcano does more damage than all the cars on earth, yet the earth’s ecology has not been destroyed.  It’s estimated that farm animals produce 20 times more waste than we humans do, taken from the link above. 

Global warming?  What a joke.  The scientists pushing that hype are just trying to get more federal grant money.  Warming and cooling is a natural cycle on earth.  We humans simply don't live long enough to witness a long enough period of time to get a proper perspective on the earth cycle of temperature changes.  It boils down to a lot of bs by environmentalists that is based on emotion, not facts.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6991|Salt Lake City

Stingray24 wrote:

Yes, we humans are evil and a cancer to mother earth!  We must be stopped!  Down with humans!    Natural resources are here to be used.  Using conservation techniques effectively will replace the resources we use.  The picture isn’t as bleak as you paint it. 

Population?  With all the abortions happening, we won't have to worry about a population explosion.  Less babies, less adults.  And when we start euthanizing elderly folks because we think they're inconvenient, we'll further reduce the population.  For those left, improving technology will bring more efficient ways to grow food sources.  As long as there is still McDonald and Burger King there’s no reason to worry there’s not enough food.  Those places will disappear if there is a food crisis. 

Endangered species?  Yes, we'll save them, for the time being.  We have a habit of saving them and then overprotecting them.  Then overpopulation kills them off because of disease. 

Water scarcity?  The population will not outgrow our water supply. The quantity of water on Earth is static - 326 million cubic miles. One cubic mile contains 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) gallons of water.  About 70 percent of Earths surface is covered by water.  Ninety-seven percent of Earth's water is in oceans. The remaining three percent is freshwater. http://www.dcr.state.va.us/sw/amznstuf.htm  3% of 326 comes to 9.78.  So by those calculations, we have almost 10 trillion gallons of fresh water on earth.  I’m not too worried we’re going to run out.  The earth’s natural water cycle keeps us supplied.  Another interesting fact from the site above: Eighty-five percent of the water in the atmosphere (water vapor) evaporates from our oceans. Plant transpiration also adds water to the air. Most trees give off about 70 gallons of water a day. One acre of corn gives off 4,000 gallons per day. 

Energy demand?  Yes, we can provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment.  Work is being done to develop renewable energy sources, though right now the cost is too prohibitive to use them in a widespread manner.  In the mean time, nuclear power is working just fine.  If the EPA would let us build more nuclear plants, this wouldn’t even be a consideration.

Pollution?  The earth is more resilient than most people believe.  One volcano does more damage than all the cars on earth, yet the earth’s ecology has not been destroyed.  It’s estimated that farm animals produce 20 times more waste than we humans do, taken from the link above. 

Global warming?  What a joke.  The scientists pushing that hype are just trying to get more federal grant money.  Warming and cooling is a natural cycle on earth.  We humans simply don't live long enough to witness a long enough period of time to get a proper perspective on the earth cycle of temperature changes.  It boils down to a lot of bs by environmentalists that is based on emotion, not facts.
Wrong.  It's not just about greenhouse gasses and air pollution.  The chemicals we use everywhere are polluting the ground and the oceans.  With this contamination we are also contaminating the part of the Earth's eco system that would naturally filter water to make it clean.  We are overfishing the earth's oceans and killing off the plant life that creates the bulk of the oxygen generated on this planet.

I can't tell you how many times I have read in the paper that fresh water fish are not to be eaten out of certain streams and resevoirs because of contamination with things like mercury.  If the fish are contaminated, then the water is contaminated, as is much of the immediate eco system.
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|6949|Howell, Mi USA
Im with Poe, pack up the internats and move to the moon.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/bb53a522780eff5b30ba3252d44932cc2f5b8c4f.png
EricTViking
Yes, I am Queeg
+48|6807|UK

sergeriver wrote:

At the actual population growth rate, human activities threaten the future of Earth.
In the last century humans had polluted or over-exploited most ecosystems on which life depends.
The major issues that Earth is challenging now are:
-Population increase rate is higher every year: How can limited resources feed all the people?
-Endangered species: can we save them?  Or there will be another massive extinction?
-Water scarcity: as population grows, the use of clean water grows, how do we solve this issue?
-Energy Demand: How can we provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment?
-Pollution: in a planet that's more polluted everyday, how can we get fresh air, food and clean water?
-Global Warming: How do we stop higher temperatures, rising sea levels, and who knows what unpredictable weather issues like another Ice Age?
What can be done to reverse all the above?
.htraE fo erutuf eht netaerht seitivitca namuh ,etar htworg noitalupop lautca eht tA
.sdneped efil hcihw no smetsysoce tsom detiolpxe-revo ro detullop dah snamuh yrutnec tsal eht nI
:era won gnignellahc si htraE taht seussi rojam ehT
?elpoep eht lla deef secruoser detimil nac woH :raey yreve rehgih si etar esaercni noitalupoP-
?noitcnitxe evissam rehtona eb lliw ereht rO  ?meht evas ew nac :seiceps deregnadnE-
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?tnemnorivne eht gnigamad tuohtiw noitalupop gnisaercni na ot ygrene hguone edivorp ew nac woH :dnameD ygrenE-
?retaw naelc dna doof ,ria hserf teg ew nac woh ,yadyreve detullop erom s'taht tenalp a ni :noitulloP-
?egA ecI rehtona ekil seussi rehtaew elbatciderpnu tahw swonk ohw dna ,slevel aes gnisir ,serutarepmet rehgih pots ew od woH :gnimraW labolG-

Right, next problem?
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6948
I think we will just have to commit mass genocide against anyone who is not a white protestan.
edit: they have to be American too.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2006-10-13 10:40:00)

R3v0LuT!oN
Member
+22|6922|United States

Stingray24 wrote:

Population?  With all the abortions happening, we won't have to worry about a population explosion.
I'm sorry, were you actually being serious?  You really think that the number of abortions exceeds the number of births every day?
HeavyMetalDave
Metal Godz
+107|6913|California
Earth wont DO anything, she'll be just fine.

Its mankind that that will fade away, just like the dinosaurs.

Earths only fear is either colliding with the sun, or into another marble floating around it.

No matter what WE do, earth doesnt care, she'll just keep on spinnin round and round and round and .....

Have a nice day.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6700|The Land of Scott Walker

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Wrong.  It's not just about greenhouse gasses and air pollution.  The chemicals we use everywhere are polluting the ground and the oceans.  With this contamination we are also contaminating the part of the Earth's eco system that would naturally filter water to make it clean.  We are overfishing the earth's oceans and killing off the plant life that creates the bulk of the oxygen generated on this planet.

I can't tell you how many times I have read in the paper that fresh water fish are not to be eaten out of certain streams and resevoirs because of contamination with things like mercury.  If the fish are contaminated, then the water is contaminated, as is much of the immediate eco system.
We dumped the whole Exxon Valdez into the ocean and it recovered.  It did require a lot of work on our part to achieve the cleanup, but nature did the rest.  There are stacks of laws in place to regulate companies and how they effect the environment.   We certainly need to punish companies that willfully dump harmful things into the ecosystem, but I still say the seriousness of the situation is overblown.  Again, we don't give the earth enough credit for how resilient it is.  Nature compensates time and time again.  I don't think we could contaminate the whole earth if we tried.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6871|do not disturb

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Yes, we humans are evil and a cancer to mother earth!  We must be stopped!  Down with humans!    Natural resources are here to be used.  Using conservation techniques effectively will replace the resources we use.  The picture isn’t as bleak as you paint it. 

Population?  With all the abortions happening, we won't have to worry about a population explosion.  Less babies, less adults.  And when we start euthanizing elderly folks because we think they're inconvenient, we'll further reduce the population.  For those left, improving technology will bring more efficient ways to grow food sources.  As long as there is still McDonald and Burger King there’s no reason to worry there’s not enough food.  Those places will disappear if there is a food crisis. 

Endangered species?  Yes, we'll save them, for the time being.  We have a habit of saving them and then overprotecting them.  Then overpopulation kills them off because of disease. 

Water scarcity?  The population will not outgrow our water supply. The quantity of water on Earth is static - 326 million cubic miles. One cubic mile contains 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) gallons of water.  About 70 percent of Earths surface is covered by water.  Ninety-seven percent of Earth's water is in oceans. The remaining three percent is freshwater. http://www.dcr.state.va.us/sw/amznstuf.htm  3% of 326 comes to 9.78.  So by those calculations, we have almost 10 trillion gallons of fresh water on earth.  I’m not too worried we’re going to run out.  The earth’s natural water cycle keeps us supplied.  Another interesting fact from the site above: Eighty-five percent of the water in the atmosphere (water vapor) evaporates from our oceans. Plant transpiration also adds water to the air. Most trees give off about 70 gallons of water a day. One acre of corn gives off 4,000 gallons per day. 

Energy demand?  Yes, we can provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment.  Work is being done to develop renewable energy sources, though right now the cost is too prohibitive to use them in a widespread manner.  In the mean time, nuclear power is working just fine.  If the EPA would let us build more nuclear plants, this wouldn’t even be a consideration.

Pollution?  The earth is more resilient than most people believe.  One volcano does more damage than all the cars on earth, yet the earth’s ecology has not been destroyed.  It’s estimated that farm animals produce 20 times more waste than we humans do, taken from the link above. 

Global warming?  What a joke.  The scientists pushing that hype are just trying to get more federal grant money.  Warming and cooling is a natural cycle on earth.  We humans simply don't live long enough to witness a long enough period of time to get a proper perspective on the earth cycle of temperature changes.  It boils down to a lot of bs by environmentalists that is based on emotion, not facts.
Wrong.  It's not just about greenhouse gasses and air pollution.  The chemicals we use everywhere are polluting the ground and the oceans.  With this contamination we are also contaminating the part of the Earth's eco system that would naturally filter water to make it clean.  We are overfishing the earth's oceans and killing off the plant life that creates the bulk of the oxygen generated on this planet.

I can't tell you how many times I have read in the paper that fresh water fish are not to be eaten out of certain streams and resevoirs because of contamination with things like mercury.  If the fish are contaminated, then the water is contaminated, as is much of the immediate eco system.
Just to add, the water cycle is a delicate balance that has been disrupted by global warming. Not only by global warming, but from the loss of forests. Forests provide, as said, water through transpiration which provides local rainfall. Trees provide shade, and with their leaves, to retain water on the ground longer. Without that, it simply evaporates too quickly and doesn't always come back. When it does, there are no leafs to catch it, and it simply runs off, removing valuable top soil that would be normally be protected by trees. The area now becomes more arid... and there you go, less rain over land that needs it and it's displaced.

Our water is now being concentrated, and thus, having more chance to become polluted. And ground tables all over are shrinking from use from Humans. Houses on limestone foundations which were once aquifers but are now empty simply cave in. So yea, our fresh water supply is diminishing. You can use desalinization on sea water, yes, but it's expensive, slow, and because of excess brine.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6784|Global Command

HeavyMetalDave wrote:

Earth wont DO anything, she'll be just fine.

Its mankind that that will fade away, just like the dinosaurs.

Earths only fear is either colliding with the sun, or into another marble floating around it.

No matter what WE do, earth doesnt care, she'll just keep on spinnin round and round and round and .....

Have a nice day.
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Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6871|do not disturb

Stingray24 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Wrong.  It's not just about greenhouse gasses and air pollution.  The chemicals we use everywhere are polluting the ground and the oceans.  With this contamination we are also contaminating the part of the Earth's eco system that would naturally filter water to make it clean.  We are overfishing the earth's oceans and killing off the plant life that creates the bulk of the oxygen generated on this planet.

I can't tell you how many times I have read in the paper that fresh water fish are not to be eaten out of certain streams and resevoirs because of contamination with things like mercury.  If the fish are contaminated, then the water is contaminated, as is much of the immediate eco system.
We dumped the whole Exxon Valdez into the ocean and it recovered.  It did require a lot of work on our part to achieve the cleanup, but nature did the rest.  There are stacks of laws in place to regulate companies and how they effect the environment.   We certainly need to punish companies that willfully dump harmful things into the ecosystem, but I still say the seriousness of the situation is overblown.  Again, we don't give the earth enough credit for how resilient it is.  Nature compensates time and time again.  I don't think we could contaminate the whole earth if we tried.
We did punish Exxon (fined them big time), and they ended up bumping prices to pay for their lose, thus, punishing it's consumers, not them. I thought they were going to court still over how much they had to pay still.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

PuckMercury wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=36334

Personally, not terribly well over all.  Malthusian Theory is more applicable than it's given credit for.
I think Malthus Theories on population and the resources scarcity are applicable.
wasn't directed at you but toward people at large.  Clearly if you're posting this, you buy into the theory whether you know it by that theory or not.
I know Malthus Theories and I said they are applicable on this topic, not that I buy them.  Although a lot of things he said are true, like the growth of population is faster than the growth of resources, or something like that.  I don't buy a lot of things he told about morality and laws about sexual abstinence if I don't remember bad.  I studied that at College, and I don't remember all the stuff anyway.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7012|Argentina

EricTViking wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

At the actual population growth rate, human activities threaten the future of Earth.
In the last century humans had polluted or over-exploited most ecosystems on which life depends.
The major issues that Earth is challenging now are:
-Population increase rate is higher every year: How can limited resources feed all the people?
-Endangered species: can we save them?  Or there will be another massive extinction?
-Water scarcity: as population grows, the use of clean water grows, how do we solve this issue?
-Energy Demand: How can we provide enough energy to an increasing population without damaging the environment?
-Pollution: in a planet that's more polluted everyday, how can we get fresh air, food and clean water?
-Global Warming: How do we stop higher temperatures, rising sea levels, and who knows what unpredictable weather issues like another Ice Age?
What can be done to reverse all the above?
.htraE fo erutuf eht netaerht seitivitca namuh ,etar htworg noitalupop lautca eht tA
.sdneped efil hcihw no smetsysoce tsom detiolpxe-revo ro detullop dah snamuh yrutnec tsal eht nI
:era won gnignellahc si htraE taht seussi rojam ehT
?elpoep eht lla deef secruoser detimil nac woH :raey yreve rehgih si etar esaercni noitalupoP-
?noitcnitxe evissam rehtona eb lliw ereht rO  ?meht evas ew nac :seiceps deregnadnE-
?eussi siht evlos ew od woh ,sworg retaw naelc fo esu eht ,sworg noitalupop sa :yticracs retaW-
?tnemnorivne eht gnigamad tuohtiw noitalupop gnisaercni na ot ygrene hguone edivorp ew nac woH :dnameD ygrenE-
?retaw naelc dna doof ,ria hserf teg ew nac woh ,yadyreve detullop erom s'taht tenalp a ni :noitulloP-
?egA ecI rehtona ekil seussi rehtaew elbatciderpnu tahw swonk ohw dna ,slevel aes gnisir ,serutarepmet rehgih pots ew od woH :gnimraW labolG-

Right, next problem?
Very clever, but we still, have those problems.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6991|Salt Lake City

Stingray24 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Wrong.  It's not just about greenhouse gasses and air pollution.  The chemicals we use everywhere are polluting the ground and the oceans.  With this contamination we are also contaminating the part of the Earth's eco system that would naturally filter water to make it clean.  We are overfishing the earth's oceans and killing off the plant life that creates the bulk of the oxygen generated on this planet.

I can't tell you how many times I have read in the paper that fresh water fish are not to be eaten out of certain streams and reservoirs because of contamination with things like mercury.  If the fish are contaminated, then the water is contaminated, as is much of the immediate eco system.
We dumped the whole Exxon Valdez into the ocean and it recovered.  It did require a lot of work on our part to achieve the cleanup, but nature did the rest.  There are stacks of laws in place to regulate companies and how they effect the environment.   We certainly need to punish companies that willfully dump harmful things into the ecosystem, but I still say the seriousness of the situation is overblown.  Again, we don't give the earth enough credit for how resilient it is.  Nature compensates time and time again.  I don't think we could contaminate the whole earth if we tried.
Compared to what goes on globally, the Valdez was nothing.  Also, as you noted, while we may fine or punish US companies, or foreign companies that do such things on US soil, we have no control over what the rest of the world does in their back yard.

The fact of the matter is, we simply can't sustain growth indefinitely.  There is a finite amount of room and resources, and as long as more people are born than die, the population of this planet will continue to increase.  At some point population control will become necessary.  It may be something we do voluntarily, or it may be something nature takes care of for us.

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